Found Deceased UT - REMAINS FOUND - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #13 *ARREST*

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kaen said:
Whenever we are posting about this man's proclivities in the sexual realm, I feel compelled to write once again that crimes like this may have a sexual component but are really crimes of violence and power over. It is not about sex or sexual pleasure for him.
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To him, probably sadism and power, and his Meetup profile listing almost all types of sex among his interest proves your statement. However, the bait to women, his possible victims, would have been some sexual activity. He won’t write “power play” in his profile.
 
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BelieveinUFO said:
This case has lots of holes. Just the case she would love to take and he may be out of prison in 40 years. Honestly, I don't think he can survive 10 years.
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What are the holes? The cell phones hold a lot of damaging info for the defendant. From the texts between them to them pinging right next to each other in the park at 3 am, making him the last one to see her alive.
And her belongings in his home and most notably, her charred tissue in his backyard bonfire.

Where are the holes in this case?
 
katydid23 said:
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Where are the holes in this case?
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**Just one hypothetical point**
Unless LE has definite proof that AA "only" did it for his sadistic satisfaction they can't counter if defense claims KL overdosed.

**It all depends on the proof**

It also depends on whether he is a lose talker.
 
I can only imagine how a defense atty., public or private, is going to support/ encourage / spin / build this perps. defense. Given so little has been released with regard to what the investigation yielded I would say the defense atty. will have to do a spin job to explain away Mackenzie's charred remains and other personal items at the fire-pit. I think, very unfortunately, because of Mackenzie's history with " alternative type hookups and contacts", that Mackenzie will likely be "victim blamed" which is a shame and I think the perp will go along the same path, at the urging of defense, to explain away an unfortunate event that culminated in Mackenzie's demise because of Mackenzie's co-operation. I pray that prosecutors have evidence that suggests that Mackenzie was victimized and taken advantage of because I see defense suggesting she was a willing participate to her demise. Need more info. and as always am just thinking out loud and speculating. MOO!!!!! What a sad situation to try to fiqure out. Mackenzie, from all appearances, was a beautiful young woman exploring her independence and identity and "coming into her own" ..... I am not going to judge that.
 
Anance said:
Short of physically destroying the hard drive his videos were saved, forensic computer specialists can access or recover deleted data. If AA did film KL or other women, he mostly likely shared or even sold them. Not only leaving a trace as it travels through the Internet, but the recipient now has some splainin to do.

Just a theory: Maybe he was selling the sex videos. BDSM videos command higher prices as do most fetish videos. To further increase his income, AA could enter live streaming of what's called a red room. Here various clients pay to view the sexual content live and request specific actions. IMHO, the secret room was intended for this purpose. While his prime motivation is to satisfy his fantasies, AA also profits from the experience.

Getting rid of the mattress and replacing it with a massage table also fits because the table allows more activities. And, we know the desired final result of sadistic sexual fantasies. A red-room client can even request it.
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Nothing personal to you and thanks for the information on a topic unfamiliar to me, but ugh, creepy.

Is there any indication so far that this young woman consented to this kind of treatment and loss of privacy?

JMO
 
BelieveinUFO said:
**Just one hypothetical point**
Unless LE has definite proof that AA "only" did it for his sadistic satisfaction they can't counter if defense claims KL overdosed.

**It all depends on the proof**

It also depends on whether he is a lose talker.
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Sure they can counter. They can counter with evidence to the contrary. And the defendant would have to show evidence that she did OD, and I doubt he has any.
 
katydid23 said:
Sure they can counter. They can counter with evidence to the contrary. And the defendant would have to show evidence that she did OD, and I doubt he has any.
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MOO what the OP said, presenting alternative scenarios to seed doubt is the main defense attorney strategy, that along with mitigating intent.

1. create doubt in the DAs case
2. plead emotional distress

Hopefully the jury can see through generic defense tactics.
 
catching up after almost 24 hours off-thread :O

So, I see we have a Logan address ascribed to the perp - it's about two blocks from where I live and only about 4 from where I grew up. Just down the street from utah state university. I'm curious about whether anyone I knew lived in those apartments during the time AA did.
Was there any mention earlier of what the tech company in Logan was that AA worked for (at the time the earlier rape allegation was made - not looking to sleuth the survivor, just looking for more info on his history)?

on another topic, I am wondering if AA did film any of his crimes, that that's how LE knows what happened to her, even without (complete) remains/COD...I wonder if the FBI/other agencies are still here bc of dark web connections related to this or other crimes by AA.

Also, seriously thinking of sending West Point a message about taking down their murderer PR photos... yikes.
 
katydid23 said:
And the defendant would have to show evidence that she did OD, and I doubt he has any.
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Also, we don’t know how much of her remains were recovered. We do know there is tissue, depending on what kind of tissue, toxicology analysis might still be an option. If they recovered any testable tissue, there might be evidence she didn’t OD.
 
Agree the attorney seems like a slime ball but even murderers and rapists are entitled to their day in court. Like I’m sure most of you, just wish she didn’t broadcast stuff like that like celebrating winning a trophy.

If you read the penal code for Utah, someone can be convicted of aggravated (capital) murder for killing another and desecrating their body. This is exactly what this scum did to KL. I’m not sure what his attorney can claim why her tissue was in his fire pit.

Forget all the stories about asking a contractor to build some rape room. Forget the abuse of his ex wife. Forget who is victim blaming who or who turned off whose phone and when. None of that is paramount here.

KL’s tissue was found in his fire pit and witnesses saw him having a fire in his yard. That’s all you need to know. What he did matches the aggravated murder statute.

Unless a plea deal is struck, the killer has a needle in his future.
 
ochemnewbie said:
Is anyone able to find the article/video where Susanne Gustin was named AA's attorney? Fox13 deleted their article.
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When reporter announces they staked out the parking lot, this does not surprise me!

It was painful to watch -- Ms. Gustin was gracious under ambush though.

The link from media thread doesn't work either.

She was very noncommital, and I wouldn't be surprised if she never makes an appearance-- this week or later.

I don't know how he could afford her.

MOO

ETA: If accurate, AA did make a payment to Gustin via Venmo prior to the search warrants.
 
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Anance said:
It doesn't matter what AA did in the Army. The only points necessary for us are: 1)the dates don't match his claims, indication of the general puffery of his self-presentation and evidence of lying, 2) he was discharged after a short time due to medical reasons.

That's it."Medical Reasons" we can speculate they are psychiatric. But it's not relevant to the present situation. Enough people have forward stating AA was superficially glib but had another, sinister side to his personality.
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This!

Early question from Ranch:
“If I'm following what you said in this post correctly, a person can be a member of the Army National Guard for an extended period of time without ever completing basic training.

If I'm getting this wrong let everyone know. Thanks.”

They can be a member for a period of time while waiting to attend basic training. As someone mentioned here earlier, active recruits get priority. So let’s say I joined the Army National Guard in Sept., but I don’t go to basic until March. (March is the first available slot for me). From Sept. to March I will attend drill, which is 1 weekend a month with my unit. At drill we usually practice what our area of specialty does. So basically he went to drill and probably worked with other IT specialists doing various IT tasks that are military related. All this about him working for them in an IT support role is him fluffing his resume.

When I was an enlisted I was in a supply specialist in a transportation unit. At drill we did supply tasks, like issue equipment, clean weapons, and we even took a mechanic class. As an MI officer I drilled with my unit for some time while waiting to go to my officer training school for military intelligence at Fort Huachuca, AZ. Some others went to language school and then MI school or vice versa.

I’m sure that you couldn’t be indefinitely in the guard without going to basic. Guard units often deploy and if a unit deploys and you have not attended basic or AIT (advanced individual training for your specialty are) you would not be deployable. You either have to go to drill with another unit until your basic slot comes up or maybe they let you out. I would imagine there is some time limit within which you have to go to basic. I can’t imagine it being more than 6 or 8 months.

If he was a civilian working for the national guard that is a contract job and you are not a soldier. I suppose he could have done something like that but I don’t think so. I think he just over exaggerated his role in the military for his resume.
 
Boxer said:
I am unclear on this.
Do you have a time line you could share?
I thought he was picked up for questioning at the same time as the search warrant was served at his house.
While being questioned he had a panic attack or something and police took him to hospital then released when his hold ran out

I didn't think he went home in the time between being released and being arrested at his friends apartment building.

I am just hopeful he left irrefutable evidence of aggravated murder.
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I bet he faked an asthma attack
 
Steelslady said:
I knew there was a reason why I liked @MassGuy - Brit over here, first generation born in the USA.

Back to the topic at hand- I am wondering if LE is just really getting started on this. While I believe that he acted alone in Kenzie's murder, I do wonder if he's part of a group that tries to draw women into this lifestyle, or use the women in this lifestyle for profit in some way.

I know others really want him to have video taped Kenzie that night, but man oh man, I just can't want that- not for her family and friends. That's a horror I wouldn't wish any parent- knowing that it was video taped and available for judge, jury, and many to see and hear. I am just cringing at the thought of that.

Yeah, I know, it would be an easy case for the prosecutor if there is a video.

This man makes me sick to my stomach..........
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Many of the questions here, will be answered by the data on his devices.

I can’t imagine the hours of work that will go into analyzing all of that.

Text messages, phone location, dating apps, Google searches, social media; God knows what else.
 
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