Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

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And yes, these types of arrangements have existed for centuries and initiated both ways.

The arrangement site she was on allows people to get badges when they have connected their LinkedIn, Instagram, or Facebook profiles. You can't see the profiles but the badge shows they are connected. There are obviously a lot of scammers out there but an exchange of social media is a good way to see if the person is legit. Many of the women on the arrangement site are tired of going to Cafe Rio (our local version of Chipotle) and splitting the bill and getting pressured to get married (people in Utah often get married after dating a couple of months.) As for verifying socioeconomic status, that's pretty easy from a conversation. Which again makes me skeptical she met AA through the arrangement site since a two minute conversation with him would make it pretty clear he's not very successful. She's from LA ... she would be able to see that.
Yeah, but they may never have communicated in person. I would think it would have been easy for him to fool someone on line, on a website, since it seems to have been a pattern for him.
By now, it probably would have been easy for him to misrepresent himself, and appear to be a successful person with a lot to offer someone.
She probably would not have caught on until she met him in person, which may very well be exactly what happened the day she was murdered.

She was young, inexperienced, and vulnerable. He knew what to look for.
Jmo
 
I fault the LE in providing very sparse info that plays fully into the already heightened public anxiety and agitation on this murder; Before this past Friday, everyone had thought he killed and cremated her in his backyard (which in itself was very questionable, how can someone be cremated in a residential area without some specialist cremating equipment and without burning down the entire house given the very high temperatures required for cremation?) and then BOOM, they found her body in Logan, it is very difficult to come up with a credible explanation with such vague info from LE, since there is no known accomplice in this case (yet) - how could he have done all of this bad stuff without help or a better brain? It is also interesting how LE were coy on whose car she got into at the park, they just claimed cell phone tower information placed him at the park at 3am - this is not technically possible because cell phone tower cannot give precise location of anyone, it can only give it to an estimate (without 5 - 20 miles), except of-course if they had used google apps or some accurate location tracking info from his mobile phone, but they insinuated that they used cell phone tower information, this is not something that can be used to prove someone's exact location especially if only one cell phone tower was used for the pinging, the current information LE is relying on will still place AA at the park even if he was at his home, 5 miles away.
On Mackenzie's phone dying, is it possible that her battery went flat? was her phone ever found, has it be recovered? I'm asking because there are reports that she had more social media activity on IG around 10am the following morning, if its not her, who was using the phone that morning?

LE keeps info sparse for a reason.

I didn't read law enforcement saying anything about her being cremated.

LE said he was texting her. Cell towers don't triangulate but they were both on the same tower. Towers are tricky here in the mountains. They do have his phone and, assuming it was an Android, they can likely use google tracking to see where he went. My car isn't a Kia but it does have GPS that tracks where it is.

Plus, we know this is a guy who likes familiar places. So ... assume you're LE and are looking for the body. You would look at his google and car GPS trails to see where he went. You could also talk to people he knew in Logan and asked where he liked to go in the trails. He may have other apps or google searches on his phone that helped.

The interesting thing is the comment that the DA helped develop information. Perhaps he traded no death penalty for the location of the body. Perhaps people in the jail with him were looking to cut a deal.

And ... while I've dated women her age, I've not seen anyone turn off (as opposed to DND or silent) her cell phone. Turning it off is the key evidence of premeditation.
 
Exactly ... if you're not in a rush to get married, why not date a guy who can take you on nice dates, maybe take you on trips, have better conversation, help navigate career and life choices, and get help with tuition.

But ... these are things you discuss in messages before hand and over a nice lunch or dinner. It's not something you discuss at 3 AM in a park. This who SB thing is just click bait for the media.
Yeah, it's a great way to pay college tuition, a great way for the websites to make money, and a great way for the men to fulfill their needs and wants.

In some cases it's also a great way for predators to find prey. It's rare, but sometimes it ends up in tragedy. Imo
 
Yeah, but they may never have communicated in person. I would think it would have been easy for him to fool someone on line, on a website, since it seems to have been a pattern for him.
By now, it probably would have been easy for him to misrepresent himself, and appear to be a successful person with a lot to offer someone.
She probably would not have caught on until she met him in person, which may very well be exactly what happened the day she was murdered.

She was young, inexperienced, and vulnerable. He knew what to look for.
Jmo
Hmm....if they've been communicating online before that night, wouldn't she have noticed his poor writing skills, like all of us have noticed? Even with short texts, it likely would be apparent?


jmo
 
Re the discussion about how AA could get Kenzie to meet him at a park at 3am. He could have reached out to her in a very comforting, sympathetic tone, telling her he'd tend to her overnight and let her rest with no responsibilities at least for the night, etc. He could have said he was on the other side of town, would be so late getting to the airport, could she meet him halfway - say, this park I see on the map... some crap.

But also, I think it is fairly well established that the number one way a narcissist will manipulate you is through pity. Having heard that Kenzie was a nurturer (from sorority sisters including her Little, IIRC) I believe she would sacrifice her own comfort for another's in a heartbeat. This is one way I could see her meeting him under circumstances that might otherwise be against her better judgment.

I have been thinking that however they initially met, they may have found common ground in being independent students (as opposed to being traditional, financially dependent students) taking a longer path to graduate. He may have fed her stories of deprivation and hardship from his childhood (real or fabricated, but most assuredly toward a purpose), stories of discrimination based on the color of his skin once in the US (again, real and/or imagined, but with a specific purpose in mind), stories of being unfairly judged based on his unconventional sexual interests, stories of being stereotyped, treated unfairly, and general stories of his struggles and efforts to persevere.

I could imagine him commiserating with her over the loss of her grandmother and him telling her he knows how she feels as he has lost so many people due to his move to the US - and/or his pain and regret over funerals he was unable to attend back home (unlike her, who could hop on a plane and be with family in a couple of hours). He may have said he is just glad her grandmother didn't suffer as did the friend/family member/acquaintance etc. whose death he witnessed years before.

He may have reeled her in with stories of his pain interwoven with the message of his compassion and endless capacity to love and comfort and forgive (all BS, but oh so sincerely delivered of course). He may even have bemoaned his change in appearance - who knows? And she would have been generous and kind with him - not judging, but accepting.

All in all, it is my strong opinion - but just that: opinion - that whatever their initial connection, Kenzie had also connected with him on an emotional level. And then, when she was emotionally raw from grief, physically exhausted also from grief, travel, and the late hour - he pounced. He may be a complete idiot, but like most narcs he is likely (at least in the short game) a master of mirroring and manipulation, and her good and kind heart was no match for his predatory single-mindedness.

This is all MOO, as always.
 
Yeah, but they may never have communicated in person. I would think it would have been easy for him to fool someone on line, on a website, since it seems to have been a pattern for him.
By now, it probably would have been easy for him to misrepresent himself, and appear to be a successful person with a lot to offer someone.
She probably would not have caught on until she met him in person, which may very well be exactly what happened the day she was murdered.

She was young, inexperienced, and vulnerable. He knew what to look for.
Jmo

Perhaps -- I get he is a scammer --- but she seems like someone who read up. Women on the arrangement site almost always want to meet for lunch or coffee.

Think about the movement from the Lyft to his car. The reports are that he didn't get out of his car. So he popped the trunk and let her put her suitcase in the trunk. Hardly the sign of a successful guy.

Plus, he had her real telephone number. I can tell you that takes a fair number of messages and usually a first meeting to get that. I don't think he could pull it off.
 
Well said. This person claims to know that AA had an ongoing relationship with ML. Seems likely to me. I just can't see ML meeting AA at a park, showing no apprehension, getting into his vehicle (with her luggage, btw), at 3 AM, right after getting off a plane, unless she had already established a relationship (face to face) with AA.
I dont remember him saying he had an ongoing relationship with AA. Link please to your claim. Thanks.
 
Hmm....if they've been communicating online before that night, wouldn't she have noticed his poor writing skills, like all of us have noticed? Even with short texts, it likely would be apparent?


jmo
Sure, but that would be understandable considering he was a foreigner. It would even be expected, I would think. Imo
 
I don’t believe that guy he was out for media attention. Why in the heck would he be the only one to say this she has tons of friends. Not buying his story. JMO
Actually, I do believe that guy. I think he had an arrangement with ML, had feelings for her, was worried by the things she told him about AA, and so sickened by her murder he came to the police station to see AA’s face (and probably say something to him as well).

Also, if he were out for media attention he would’ve given his name. He approached the reporter because she was stationed outside the police department, so was in a position to know if AA was inside still, or had been taken out. He was information-seeking, not information-giving, until asked direct questions by the reporter.

I think ML compartmentalized different sectors of her life, and not everyone knew everything about her different ‘sectors’...
 
Yeah, but they may never have communicated in person. I would think it would have been easy for him to fool someone on line, on a website, since it seems to have been a pattern for him.
By now, it probably would have been easy for him to misrepresent himself, and appear to be a successful person with a lot to offer someone.
She probably would not have caught on until she met him in person, which may very well be exactly what happened the day she was murdered.

She was young, inexperienced, and vulnerable. He knew what to look for.
Jmo
This ^^^ very good post.
 
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He lied to law enforcement about knowing her, despite having photos of her on his phone.

He was the last person to text her, and almost certainly the last person to see her alive.

We know this, because his phone and her phone were in the same area (Park), at the same time.

Two separate fires occurred in his backyard, and partial remains and the burned remnants of her belongings were recovered.

This isn’t complicated, and law enforcement owes us nothing at this point.

Formal charges are coming, and we will be privy to more details in due course.

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Stupidity is not a defense, nor does it increase the likelihood of some alternate theory.

Smart people make bad criminals. Stupid people make terrible ones.

The deck was stacked against him, but that’s on him.
 
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He lied to law enforcement about knowing her, despite having photos of her on his phone.

He was the last person to text her, and almost certainly the last person to see her alive.

We know this, because his phone and her phone were in the same area (Park), at the same time.

Two separate fires occurred in his backyard, and partial remains and the burned remnants of her belongings were recovered.

This isn’t complicated, and law enforcement owes us nothing at this point.

Formal charges are coming, and we will be privy to more details in due course.

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Stupidity is not a defense, nor does it increase the likelihood of some alternate theory.

Smart people make bad criminals. Stupid people make terrible ones.

The deck was stacked against him, but that’s on him.
Right, right, right. AA quacks like a duck because he's a duck, not because someone set him up to look like a duck.

jmo
 
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I don't know....I don't think he could pull of the charming foreigner act for long. I think this was a new conversation, but that's just my hunch.

jmo

I agree ... plus if she read anything about arrangements, she would quickly hear about Nigerian 419 scams and have her guard up.

Actually, I do believe that guy. I think he had an arrangement with ML, had feelings for her, was worried by the things she told him about AA, and so sickened by her murder he came to the police station to see AA’s face (and probably say something to him as well).

I think ML compartmentalized different sectors of her life, and not everyone knew everything about her different ‘sectors’...

I've had women where I have arrangements tell me about their closer in age guy friends. For example, I know of a situation with a regular boyfriend in college with her who would hit her and I encouraged her to break it off with him.
 
He lied to law enforcement about knowing her, despite having photos of her on his phone.

He was the last person to text her, and almost certainly the last person to see her alive.

We know this, because his phone and her phone were in the same area (Park), at the same time.

Two separate fires occurred in his backyard, and partial remains and the burned remnants of her belongings were recovered.

This isn’t complicated, and law enforcement owes us nothing at this point.

Formal charges are coming, and we will be privy to more details in due course.

<modsnip: snipped reference to removed post>

Stupidity is not a defense, nor does it increase the likelihood of some alternate theory.

Smart people make bad criminals. Stupid people make terrible ones.

The deck was stacked against him, but that’s on him.


This
 
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As a side note, in regards to the timing they met up, we don’t know how much she rested before she got on the plane. She very well could have taken a nap before she boarded the plane and then rested on the plane.

We know she had midterms on Tuesday(?). I believe it was Tuesday, I’m on mobile so I will confirm all of this when I’m home and it’s easier to poke around and keep tabs open.

My thoughts about that are, maybe she didn’t want to wake her roommates by coming in at that time(which has been speculated in previous threads). We don’t know her roommates schedule(s) so maybe she knew they had class and didn’t want to wake them too early. I, personally, think that she saw the meetup with AA as a way to kill time before she went home at a “reasonable” time. I, personally, think she only planned to stay a few hours with him until the sun came up and she would head home.

I know a lot of people have questioned why she wouldn’t just head straight home and go to her own bed and cat. My speculation stated above is one reason and we also don’t know what she had planned for that day. She was in crunch time for studying so maybe she had no plans to even go to bed in the first place, until that night before the midterms.

MOO and some food for thought.
 
I dont remember him saying he had an ongoing relationship with AA. Link please to your claim. Thanks.
No, he did not say that. Only that he had also met her on a dating app. No mention at all about any type of relationship, as far as I know. He only mentioned that he knew of AA, and that she had communicated with him about him. He never said anything about what kind of relationship they had or whether or not they had ever met in person. It could have been only 2 or 3 times that they communicated, and only for the last few days, for all we know. Or it could have been for several months. Imo.
 
Hmm....if they've been communicating online before that night, wouldn't she have noticed his poor writing skills, like all of us have noticed? Even with short texts, it likely would be apparent?


jmo

Ha! Hard to miss.

Frankly, anyone with a third-grade reading level would notice his horrendous writing skills.

Here's but one small sample from his Model Mayhem page:

"I used every second of my life to archive my goals which is to be the best.
I am taking an acting classes while working with star talent management here in Utah.
I will love to work with any organization that will be interested in helping me archiving my goals."


I have a hard time believing AA could fool anyone having even the slightest modicum of intelligence with his online persona.

Erudite, he ain't.

I don't know why ML felt safe meeting AA in that dark parking lot at 3 am.
But, clearly, she did.
The most logical explanation for her feeling safe meeting him there is that she'd met him before, either there or somewhere else.

Obviously, we don't know if she had or hadn't met him before, but to me, it's the most logical explanation.

JMO.
 
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