CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

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Please help me add to this list of ideas for Barbara's family. Some of these have already been suggested but I think they're all worth repeating.

Submit Barbara’s case to the following for consideration:
Add Barbara to NamUs
Issue a family statement to thank LE and search teams for their efforts as well as the community for their continued prayers. The family urges/begs/pleads for anyone with information to come forward; reiterates phone numbers to call, etc. Examples:
Who is Barbara Thomas? A friend/family member/co-worker/neighbor/pastor gives an interview NOT to discuss the case, but to humanize Barbara. This may be especially important in Barbara’s case because there continues to be confusion on SM between Barbara’s case and Sheryl Powell. Examples:
Release new photos or video of Barbara. “BARBARA THOMAS STILL MISSING – NEW PHOTOS!” A bit sensationalistic, but I have seen this prove fruitful in generating new tips. Examples:
Hold a Community Vigil / Prayer Service. This can also be done online, organized by the Facebook page. Examples:
Announce a “Find Barbara Thomas” Facebook page and provide the link. Examples:
Organize and announce a Flyer Distribution Event. Coordinate through the Facebook page and request the media to publicize it. Examples:
Announce a Reward. Examples:
Hire a private investigator. Alternatively, pitch the story to a reporter that they interview a private investigator about Barbara’s case. Examples:
 
kay74 said:
But the neighbors saw her leave with RT! One of the neighbors said she had a t-shirt and shorts on and I assume the other attire was under these garments. Is she on the pics he took out there? That would be the clincher. LE would not spend all that money searching if they suspected something else?!
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Can we get a link to where this by the neighbours was publicly stated, please?

Edit: I see this came from VI, but still no actual proof, and he had not seen the video footage first hand.
 
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@PommyMommy , what about Tomnod? Anyone familiar with them? Tomnod - Wikipedia
Tomnod

As I understand it, they take aerial photos of an area of concern and then post them online so the public can help scan areas looking for any relevant detail. Online searchers mark which areas show something of interest, which can then be investigated more closely.

ETA: Apparently Tomnod is in the process of switching to some new but similar searching methods. Posting this anyway in case it gives anyone better ideas.
 
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I think I am on to something, just not sure where it fits in.

Robert claims he wanted to make some pictures of a rock formation, we have seen these impressive rocks in thread 1.

Since they are so big one would have to be standing around 50-100 ft away from the rock to capture it.

If Barbara was walking ahead of Robert, she at least at some point was walking in between him and the rock, and probably is in some of the pictures, photographed from the back, which would, if timestamped be evidence of her being there, just not suitable pictures for a missing persons poster/article.

If he was so impressed by the rockformation he may have asked Barbara to take a picture of him while standing in front of it (since how else would anyone ever be able to estimate the size of the rock and its impressiveness, you would need a person standing there to be able to conclude that).
A picture of him made by Barbara might not be direct proof she was there, but if timestamped it is proof he wasn't there alone.

Leaves me with one thing, if he stands for example 100 ft away from the rock, and Barbara walking ahead of him, he would not mean literally, since no one walks in a 45 degree angle: Barbara would not walk in the direction of the rock and then make a turn right/left.
Unless he asked her, and then again she would turn up in the pictures, but from a great distance, and vague such as the picture we have seen.
She then at some point must have take a left or right, when he lost sight of her, which means her ending up walking at the opposite side of the rock from where he was standing, on her way to the trailer, or else he would have seen her walking on his left/right.
This means the rock being exactly in the middle of him and her, and on their route back to the trailer, but would that then also not mean they must have come across it when walking away from the trailer, within minutes?

Maybe I did not understand correctly, but wasn't the rock the reason for parking there?
Why walk 1,75 mile away from it and take your pictures on the way back, or was there another rockformation that had their interest?

Either way, while walking ahead of him, Barbara would be walking in between Robert and the rockformation, and would therefor turn up in some of the pics he made. IMO
 
Auntie Cipation said:
@PommyMommy , what about Tomnod? Anyone familiar with them? Tomnod - Wikipedia
Tomnod

As I understand it, they take aerial photos of an area of concern and then post them online so the public can help scan areas looking for any relevant detail. Online searchers mark which areas show something of interest, which can then be investigated more closely.

ETA: Apparently Tomnod is in the process of switching to some new but similar searching methods. Posting this anyway in case it gives anyone better ideas.
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Wow, Tomnod retired just 4 days ago, Aug 1. I messaged Maxar and will let you know if I get a reply. Thank you! MOO
 
Jurisdiction for Presumed Death Suit?
ChuckMaureen said:
....That is why, short of BT being found d or a, potential eyewitness reporting or a perp's confession, this case might not be solved.
And, after five years...
CALIFORNIA MISSING PERSON PRESUMPTION OF DEATH; COURT DECLARATION OF DEATH AND CALIFORNIA PROBATE OF ESTATE OF MISSING PERSON | Sweeney Probate Law | Riverside County, California
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^ snipped for focus

IIUC, jurisdiction for procedure to declare a person dead is in the state of last domicile (for this sake of simplicity in this discussion = residence) of the presumptive deceased.*

If/since RT & BT live in Bullhead City, AZ, jurisdiction* would be in St. of AZ, and venue** would be Mohave County AZ probate court.

I'm ready to be corrected on this***, but if correct, then like St of CA, St of AZ's required absence is five years. A loooooong way off.
Jmo.
Where are our atty's & legal professionals? Thoughts on this? Thx in adv.
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AZ statutes:
*. 12-509. Presumption of death from five year absence; restoration of estate recovered upon presumption
A. A person absenting himself from the place of his last domicile for five years successively shall be presumed dead in any action wherein his death comes in question, unless proof is made that he was alive within that time.
https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/12/00509.htm

** 14-3201. Venue for first and subsequent estate proceedings; location of property
A. Venue for the first informal or formal testacy or appointment proceedings after a decedent's death is:
1. In the county where the decedent had his domicile at the time of his death.
View Document

*** IANAL and I don't play one on TV.
 
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Criteria re Presuming Dead
Still been thinking about these ^ procedures & found this, which is not AZ-specific, but still interesting:
"People who disappear are typically called missing, or sometimes absent. Several criteria are evaluated to determine whether a person may be declared legally dead:
  • The party normally must have been missing from their home or usual residence for an extended period of time, most commonly seven years
  • Their absence must have been continuous and inexplicable (e.g. the person did not say they had found a new job and were moving far away)
  • There must have been no communication from the party with those people most likely to hear from them during the period the person has been missing
  • There must have been a diligent but unsuccessful search for the person and/or diligent but unsuccessful inquiry into their whereabouts."
  • ^bbm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declared_death_in_absentia << much more info in wiki
How much searching for BT would be needed to meet this ^ standard? More than the SAR team searches at pullout/hike area in July? More searches in future years?

Hoping this is all rhetorical, that she is tucked away somewhere safe of her own choosing, ready to pick up the phone and call family. I know statistics do not favor this wishful ending. Jmo.
 
rkendmar said:
The SAR K-9 group involved in the search used dogs who searched by following a trail (nose to the ground), air trackers and cadaver dogs.
Some of the dogs involved were certified in more than one specialty.
IMO, if none of these dogs alerted to BT then I believe that there is only a very small chance that BT was actually there.
There should have, at least, been an alert near the door of the truck and/or the door of the RV.
JMO
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When Amanda Eller was missing on Maui, her car was in the parking lot and IIRC the dogs hit on her scent briefly at the trail head and then lost it. They found no sign of her during their searches. This left many people wondering if she was ever there in the first place and casting suspicion on her boyfriend. Point being, she WAS there all along. And yes, I am aware that it is entirely different terrain ;).
 
investigators are all over this case. they have so many leads theyvjave not even followed up on the info i provided them.

to all of robbies family members, please stay vigilant and most importantly stay safe. praying no one else disappears surrounding this case.

if anyone here regulars the riverside casino, or the losers lounge, please keep an eye out for POI
 
dbdb11 said:
investigators are all over this case. they have so many leads theyvjave not even followed up on the info i provided them.

to all of robbies family members, please stay vigilant and most importantly stay safe. praying no one else disappears surrounding this case.

if anyone here regulars the riverside casino, or the losers lounge, please keep an eye out for POI
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Great to hear from you! Have you been in direct contact with LE? Have they advised who the POI is? What is their focus on the Casino?
 
dbdb11 said:
investigators are all over this case. they have so many leads theyvjave not even followed up on the info i provided them.

to all of robbies family members, please stay vigilant and most importantly stay safe. praying no one else disappears surrounding this case.

if anyone here regulars the riverside casino, or the losers lounge, please keep an eye out for POI
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I’m glad to hear the investigation is continuing. Your comment is concerning though. I’m sorry.

This location is in Laughlin, NV where RT and BT lived previously.

Dance 'til dawn in the world famous LOSERS' LOUNGE, Riverside Resort
 
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