Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #12

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ldlager said:
What assurance will the public have that the police have solved the 2 murders?
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in the US, in a similar situation, victims might bring civil suits against the killers' estates, FWIW.
 
SnooperDuper said:
Maybe he was reading political stuff from the Nazi era and that was influencing him - stuff written 80-100 years ago. I can imagine writers of that time period "spoke of politics" to each other. Archaic and yeah, totally creepy.
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It's possible. He was also probably just weird and didn't understand normal social interaction. I was in a "nerd" program in high school and a lot of my classmates and friends had similar oddities. Not the Nazi militia and wanting to kill people part, but odd speech patterns and stuff like that. Most of them grew out of it.

Zella said:
That could be! It definitely reinforces the idea that he didn't interact well with people. I've wondered if either of them read much and, if so, what they read. I know KM's infamous shirt from the surveillance footage has a Lovecraft reference, but I don't know if he was a fan of that author, though it is reasonable to assume. If BS read antiquated stuff or stuff with bad dialogue or just didn't read much at all, it could definitely influence his manner of speaking.
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I wonder too. Honestly with how stupid their decisions were, it's hard to imagine them doing much reading on any subject. However they were described as "nerds" and that usually implies reading. I imagine Bryer probably read a lot of history related stuff. Cthulhu is famous enough in pop culture that one doesn't have to read Lovecraft to know about it.

SnooperDuper said:
No, when they announced that they found the bodies people said it was anticlimactic and unsatisfying. A good movie has to have a good ending and I think the general consensus is that people would have liked to have seen them caught, tried, and made to explain themselves.
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I mean...a good screenwriter can fill in the gaps. But, come on, I hope they aren't going to cash in on this tragedy and put the poor families through the Hollywood circus on top of everything else they're going through. I know some families are ok with that like the parents of the boy from the Alpha Dog movie. But it sounds like all five of these families just want to be left alone to grieve in peace.

Arizona 123 said:
My further guess is the suspects have been dead a while, otherwise they would have been able to positively ID them immediately upon finding them.
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I mean, they probably have been dead a while and I imagine that their remains are probably looking pretty disgusting by now. I know in summer it takes about 2 days for opossum-sized roadkill to go from freshly killed to mostly skeleton, from seeing a roadkill opossum in my town once. But DNA testing to confirm is standard procedure. It seems like RCMP does everything extremely by the book and regimented.
 
musicaljoke said:
I don't think that we can over estimate how difficult the search was for the officers. There were no trails. The terrain was so challenging that the officers couldn't walk shoulder to shoulder as they normally do. Swamps peppered the landscape and they had to be searched too.

But to make it much more difficult, they were searching for two armed murderers. They never knew if they were walking into a trap and would have their heads blown off.

I can't imagine how stressful this was for the searchers.
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Thank you for saying, what I wanted to say as well! This had to be if not terrifying at least very stressful given how extremely dense the bush was, etc. Thank you to the RCMP for doing whatever needs to be done!
 
I posted a while ago not believing they were the murderers, I still haven't changed my opinion on it. This case has been very strange right from the beginning.
The parts of the case that bother me: What tied them to the murders? What type of gun was used to kill the three victims? If they were able to trace the movements of Bryer and Kam, why no gas station footage?
We instead got images of them for almost a week that were snapshots of video taken of them at a Co-Op store in Saskatchewan, footage that was not from a security camera (there are none in front of the store, below eye level). Someone was watching them before they were announced as suspects, because that video must have been taken from a car parked in front of the entrance, and would have been on July 21st, a day or so before they were announced as suspects.
Then their alleged second vehicle, the RAV4 (no explanation who it belonged to, and no images of them actually driving it, or getting in our out of it) was found in the bush, torched. No real reason to torch either of the vehicles (except maybe to hide the fact that they weren't the only ones in those vehicles?).
And then somehow, after a hard search for their whereabouts, and then scaling it all back, the police just managed to stumble across some new evidence right before finding their bodies. Like finding a needle in a haystack, and they just managed to do it without much effort.
We have been made to believe through the media coverage that these guys were probably on a thrill kill, and yet their murder spree started and ended in one small area. And they didn't gloat anywhere online about, nor did they seemed to be bothered to walk around without disguises into a store (and gas stations) with security cameras.
Now that they have been found deceased, I am concerned this case will just be closed, the murders pinned on them, and there won't be any concrete evidence shared with the public to show they did it, like you would get in a court of law.
My alternative theory: They weren't alone, whoever was with them was probably responsible for the murders. They or their contacts were the ones who recorded them walking out of the store, and arranged for the torching of the vehicles to leave a trail of evidence pointing to these two guys. And then hushed them up in those woods, perhaps waited a couple of weeks to make sure the weather worked on the evidence to give a tip as to where their bodies were located. I know that sounds crazy, but framing someone for murder isn't exactly new.
 
ldlager said:
What assurance will the public have that the police have solved the 2 murders?
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Officers and prosecutors make sure they have probable cause & the necessary evidence to present to the judge prior to requesting arrest warrants for BS & KM. They would have been charged with the murders of LF & CD where they were arrested.
I, for one, am convinced that LE had the evidence necessary to secure a conviction and a guilty verdict at trial.
 
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NJSleuth91 said:
It's possible. He was also probably just weird and didn't understand normal social interaction. I was in a "nerd" program in high school and a lot of my classmates and friends had similar oddities. Not the Nazi militia and wanting to kill people part, but odd speech patterns and stuff like that. Most of them grew out of it.



I wonder too. Honestly with how stupid their decisions were, it's hard to imagine them doing much reading on any subject. However they were described as "nerds" and that usually implies reading. I imagine Bryer probably read a lot of history related stuff. Cthulhu is famous enough in pop culture that one doesn't have to read Lovecraft to know about it.
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My roomie in college was a gamer, so I spent a fair amount of time with her and her friends. Now that I think about it, some of them also had odd speech patterns, which I attributed to not getting out much and interacting with real people. LOL My friends were equally socially inept but more literary/bookworm types, so I don't remember that being as much of an issue. We had other tells that we didn't get out much.

That's a good point about Cthulhu and pop culture. KM's interest in having the shirt may have stemmed more from games he played that featured it rather than liking Lovecraft's work. Someone astute on here several days ago pointed out the shirt also features a Pokemon reference. Could have been a bit of a two-fer for him as far as gaming interests go.
 
Here's what I am talking about why this case does not make sense. This news article is from July 21st. The day that Kam and Bryer were spotted at the Co-op as we were told later in the week. Notice something strange - the photo of Bryer is a screenshot of that video footage of him leaving the store. How did the RCMP get their hands on that so quickly?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-drivers-bc-truck-1.5219845
Correction: It's not a screenshot from the co-op, but it looks like it was taken around the same time. The hair and the clothing are the exact same.
 
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Schmoosh said:
Canada’s most wanted teen killers have been found dead. Now, in a major #60Mins exclusive, one of the fugitive’s fathers reveals disturbing new evidence. His shocking admissions this SUNDAY.
60 Minutes Australia on Twitter
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Oh Lord. I had hoped his silence was because someone had convinced him it was in his and Bryer's best interest to stop granting interviews. Looks like he stopped because an outlet had an exclusive.
 
rrstren said:
If you are Canadian, you know as well as I do that there is zero prospect of the question of the death penalty being reopened. That is nowhere close to a controversial statement.

This site is about a murder, not an opportunity for you to find excuses to attack a government you disagree with, including dragging the Prime Minister into your attacks, and the RCMP in the bargain, despite your regular attempts to do both.

Sorry moderator, but I can only ignore what is plainly happening so long. This person is regularly pushing political buttons.
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I do not recall ever mentioning the prime minister or in fact any politician or politics in a posting. I think you are confusing me with another poster in that regard.

As for the death penalty, I was responding to the post that YOU responded to ( and you DID respond to it). That original post said that the poster hoped that Canadians still opposed the death penalty. I simply pointed out that statement was incorrect, I made no political reference, and in fact it was you that did by your statement that it would not be reopened.
 
Shlock Homes said:
I posted a while ago not believing they were the murderers, I still haven't changed my opinion on it. This case has been very strange right from the beginning.
The parts of the case that bother me: What tied them to the murders? What type of gun was used to kill the three victims? If they were able to trace the movements of Bryer and Kam, why no gas station footage?
We instead got images of them for almost a week that were snapshots of video taken of them at a Co-Op store in Saskatchewan, footage that was not from a security camera (there are none in front of the store, below eye level). Someone was watching them before they were announced as suspects, because that video must have been taken from a car parked in front of the entrance, and would have been on July 21st, a day or so before they were announced as suspects.
Then their alleged second vehicle, the RAV4 (no explanation who it belonged to, and no images of them actually driving it, or getting in our out of it) was found in the bush, torched. No real reason to torch either of the vehicles (except maybe to hide the fact that they weren't the only ones in those vehicles?).
And then somehow, after a hard search for their whereabouts, and then scaling it all back, the police just managed to stumble across some new evidence right before finding their bodies. Like finding a needle in a haystack, and they just managed to do it without much effort.
We have been made to believe through the media coverage that these guys were probably on a thrill kill, and yet their murder spree started and ended in one small area. And they didn't gloat anywhere online about, nor did they seemed to be bothered to walk around without disguises into a store (and gas stations) with security cameras.
Now that they have been found deceased, I am concerned this case will just be closed, the murders pinned on them, and there won't be any concrete evidence shared with the public to show they did it, like you would get in a court of law.
My alternative theory: They weren't alone, whoever was with them was probably responsible for the murders. They or their contacts were the ones who recorded them walking out of the store, and arranged for the torching of the vehicles to leave a trail of evidence pointing to these two guys. And then hushed them up in those woods, perhaps waited a couple of weeks to make sure the weather worked on the evidence to give a tip as to where their bodies were located. I know that sounds crazy, but framing someone for murder isn't exactly new.
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wayyyyyyyyyyy too complicated and paranoid
 
Schmoosh said:
Canada’s most wanted teen killers have been found dead. Now, in a major #60Mins exclusive, one of the fugitive’s fathers reveals disturbing new evidence. His shocking admissions this SUNDAY.
60 Minutes Australia on Twitter
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Can we not?

I mean, ngl, I'm curious to get more info on a possible motive and will see whatever is revealed in this program too, so I guess I'm a hypocrite. But this whole thing just seems really disrespectful NOW of all times, especially with the "SHOCKING!" editing of this commercial.
 
Shlock Homes said:
Here's what I am talking about why this case does not make sense. This news article is from July 21st. The day that Kam and Bryer were spotted at the Co-op as we were told later in the week. Notice something strange - the photo of Bryer is a screenshot of that video footage of him leaving the store. How did the RCMP get their hands on that so quickly?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-drivers-bc-truck-1.5219845
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That pic of BS is not from the store. It was the pic that has been circulating since he was considered missing. Ditto for that pic of KM. He's just wearing the same camo. I get the impression he really liked it and was photographed in it often. I don't see this as a conspiracy.
 
Zella said:
Question for our Canadians. This may have been answered, but I don't remember seeing it. After the autopsy is done, do you think the autopsy report will be made available in its entirety or, if they do release anything, it will just be a very short, to-the-point cause of death and estimated date of death? I'm used to reading entire autopsy reports for American cases but am not sure that would be SOP for Canada.
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No, I don’t think the autopsy report will be made available unless the families decide to release it, which I doubt would happen. Although autopsy reports are a public record, there’s restrictions on who is able to obtain a copy. This is the same throughout Canada. Privacy and confidentially protected through stringent legislation supersede the public’s right to know.

Justice | Province of Manitoba
Are Reports from the Investigation Available to the Next of Kin?
Upon completion of the investigation the medical examiner submits a report to the Chief Medical Examiner. This report will normally answer questions about the cause and manner of death, the date, time and place of death and summarize the circumstances surrounding the death. If an autopsy is performed as part of the investigation, the doctor performing the autopsy also submits a report. Both the medical examiner's report and the autopsy report are available to the adult next of kin upon written request to the Chief Medical Examiner's office. (An autopsy is an intricate medical procedure, often requiring complex laboratory tests, and for this reason autopsy results may not be available for several weeks after the death. This means the medical examiner's report may not be immediately available to the family.)

The medical examiner's report and the autopsy report may also be requested by attending physicians and medical reports departments of hospitals. Other interested parties, such as an insurer of the life of the deceased or a legal representative of the deceased, may receive the report upon written request and payment of the prescribed fee under The Fatality Inquiries Act.
 
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