Texas has a plea for muder which is essentially "I thought I was doing the right thing," i.e. stopping a thief. It may be GA has a similar law.
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020
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This is at the core of things, imo:
The police report states that Junior, Senior, and R had already used their trucks twice to try to box Ahmaud in /get him to stop running before their 3rd and final attempt seen on the video. In between the 2nd & 3rd attempt, Senior exited Junior's passenger seat to stand, armed, in the open truck bed.
Ahmaud has twice tried to escape them. When he approached Junior's truck from behind on the video, R is right behind him, blocking that route. Senior is now standing up in the truck's bed, facing him. Junior has already exited the truck and is standing on the left side of the road, blocking his way, holding his shotgun.
Ahmaud swerves to the right, his only open route of escape. Junior moves from where he was standing, to the front of the truck, shotgun in hand, and according to DA Barnhill, with his finger already on the trigger.
Junior, Senior, and R were supposedly armed and chasing Ahmaud down in their trucks because they believed Ahmaud a trespasser and burglar. On and of someone else's property.
Yet, DA Barnhill says of AHMAUD: " (his) prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his thought pattern to attack an armed man."
( A conviction for swiping a TV, and years earlier, for simply carrying a gun where that wasn't allowed.)
And Barnhill said this about about stand your ground
-with or without a straight face, either possibility is remarkable:
"Once confronted with a deadly force situation, an individual is entitled to defend himself. An individual isn't required to back away or to submit to an attack."
Referring to Junior's "rights" in that confrontation,
not Ahmaud's.
The police report states that Junior, Senior, and R had already used their trucks twice to try to box Ahmaud in /get him to stop running before their 3rd and final attempt seen on the video. In between the 2nd & 3rd attempt, Senior exited Junior's passenger seat to stand, armed, in the open truck bed.
Ahmaud has twice tried to escape them. When he approached Junior's truck from behind on the video, R is right behind him, blocking that route. Senior is now standing up in the truck's bed, facing him. Junior has already exited the truck and is standing on the left side of the road, blocking his way, holding his shotgun.
Ahmaud swerves to the right, his only open route of escape. Junior moves from where he was standing, to the front of the truck, shotgun in hand, and according to DA Barnhill, with his finger already on the trigger.
Junior, Senior, and R were supposedly armed and chasing Ahmaud down in their trucks because they believed Ahmaud a trespasser and burglar. On and of someone else's property.
Yet, DA Barnhill says of AHMAUD: " (his) prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his thought pattern to attack an armed man."
( A conviction for swiping a TV, and years earlier, for simply carrying a gun where that wasn't allowed.)
And Barnhill said this about about stand your ground
-with or without a straight face, either possibility is remarkable:
"Once confronted with a deadly force situation, an individual is entitled to defend himself. An individual isn't required to back away or to submit to an attack."
Referring to Junior's "rights" in that confrontation,
not Ahmaud's.
Sound like Arbery stood his ground and died for it.
Thanks. I guess two anonymous sources are better than no sources at all.
"Pursuing a career as an Electrician" ended nearly 7 years ago ?.......What was his current paid occupation in life if any ?.... He is very hard to find factual up-to-date current info and photos on at this time.....moo
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I don't see that a paid occupation has anything to do with him having been killed. Having said that, it is very interesting that he was pursuing a career as an electrician. This may well explain why he was interested in seeing inside a home under construction.
According to his dad, he wanted to be a boxer, and according a girl briefly interviewed at the protest in one of the links above, he always wanted to be a professional football player. So he was still in the aspiring phase, it seems.
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Marcus Arbery said his son, who aspired to be a boxer, was athletic and known for taking daily jogs.
Cellphone video shows a Georgia jogger allegedly ambushed by 2 gunmen
That would almost go without saying these days, but I haven't seen anything about it. Has the police report been released?
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I have wondered if during his jogs AA noticed the residential construction and was hoping to bump into workers or the builder/property owner at some point to inquire about work. IF he indeed had an interest in the trades he may have been hoping to land some day work as labor or watching for them job to be near to the electrical and plumbing installs to see if he could work during that phase to learn more about that sort of work.
It isn't at all uncommon for people looking for work in the construction field to approach my husband or his employees on a job site to inquire about if work is available.
It isn't at all uncommon for people looking for work in the construction field to approach my husband or his employees on a job site to inquire about if work is available.
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He was 25 years old and had stated aspirations for his future. I fail to see how perhaps not having settled on a specific career path has any bearing on being a young guy out for a jog on a sunny Sunday afternoon and getting killed.
Young people don't always have a solid, specific career goal. My nephew lived with me in his 20s. He wanted to be a photographer, he wanted to "follow his bliss". He studied psychology, eventually criminology, and now in his 50s has a doctorate and is one of the top national security specialists in Canada. Sure glad he wasn't shot when he was 25 and didn't know what he wanted to do.
He was shot on 2/23 -- a Sunday
The msm is reporting his aspirations. I'm just relaying what they are reporting.
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bumping the only police report I have found on the incident. It makes no mention of whether a phone or any other personal effects were found on the victim.
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Yes. It is currently Sunday and several of my husband's employees are working on a site as I type.
I still think it's a biiiigggg stretch to hypothesize that he was looking for work at an obviously vacant residential construction site on a Sunday. In my neighborhood, it wouldn't even be permitted. I don't about commercial construction, but definitely not residential on a Sunday.
Especially since the only thing we know about his aspiration to be an electrician is his mother's statement and two semesters at a technical school 8 years ago. jmo
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We will never know what Mr. Arbery was actually doing on that fateful day. He is unable to tell us. We are all hypothesizing no matter the angle we take on his motivations/thinking process. We have video that shows him jogging into a frame, entering the house, a man coming into view across the street after Mr. Arbery entered the home, and staying by a tree until after Mr. Arbery leaves the home. Then, we have the video of him being killed.
It is interesting to me that there are questions about every aspect of Mr. Arbery's life and decisions as though not having a job or not completing school, or wanting to be a boxer or whatever points to him being a thief and causing the circumstances that befell him. Yes, he went into a home under construction. There is no evidence that he took anything. Yes, he jogged on and was beset upon by two vehicles with three occupants with two of those occupants determined to talk with him and stop him.
I surmise that at least one 911 call is from the killer's father but yet the caller never says we will be in pursuit. The killer's father says that he told his son that Mr. Arbery was hauling ___ away and remarked, "Let's go." At which point they grabbed their guns and off they went. Oddly enough, how did the son know to grab a gun? How did the son know what his father meant when he said, "Let's go." to him. If I said this to my adult son after seeing a man running in our neighborhood, my son would ask me what I meant and, he certainly would not have rushed to the gun locker to pull out a firearm. Yet it seems that the DA and others see nothing strange about two grown men getting into a pick-up with the older man/father in the back and giving chase to a man they don't know-- a man who had not threatened them, spoke with them, ran by them with a drawn gun, ran by them with items stolen from the house, and a man who had already left the scene of the house. Interesting to me that many don't even give a second thought to this part of the scenario but will judge and make assumptions about Mr. Arbery's action.
It is interesting to me that there are questions about every aspect of Mr. Arbery's life and decisions as though not having a job or not completing school, or wanting to be a boxer or whatever points to him being a thief and causing the circumstances that befell him. Yes, he went into a home under construction. There is no evidence that he took anything. Yes, he jogged on and was beset upon by two vehicles with three occupants with two of those occupants determined to talk with him and stop him.
I surmise that at least one 911 call is from the killer's father but yet the caller never says we will be in pursuit. The killer's father says that he told his son that Mr. Arbery was hauling ___ away and remarked, "Let's go." At which point they grabbed their guns and off they went. Oddly enough, how did the son know to grab a gun? How did the son know what his father meant when he said, "Let's go." to him. If I said this to my adult son after seeing a man running in our neighborhood, my son would ask me what I meant and, he certainly would not have rushed to the gun locker to pull out a firearm. Yet it seems that the DA and others see nothing strange about two grown men getting into a pick-up with the older man/father in the back and giving chase to a man they don't know-- a man who had not threatened them, spoke with them, ran by them with a drawn gun, ran by them with items stolen from the house, and a man who had already left the scene of the house. Interesting to me that many don't even give a second thought to this part of the scenario but will judge and make assumptions about Mr. Arbery's action.
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I don't blame them for not wanting to reveal their last names. There is one person involved in this case who is reportedly recieving threats. I wouldn't give the media my name either.
I don't disagree with that. But then they're still anonymous. So, for me, I'm not going to assume that what they supposedly said is true. jmo
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