Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert #2

[marsyao]

The person in Lost Girls who has someone (VIPs) refreshing her posts is Maureen Brainard-Barnes. As per attachment.

I know, but Shannon did this too (sometimes asking Michael doing this for me), they were not into software, so they do it manually, almost every sex worker who post ad on capitalist would do this.

And how would Brewer have known who to text the number to? If, as you claim, Shannan had arranged the date herself, she would have been the one who had Brewer’s number. Not Pak.

What do you mean ? You mean Brewer texted his address and number to Shannon, and she would not share this information with Michael who was her driver ?

 

[marsyao]

One more thing about the relationship between Shannon and Alex, after the police shut down "World class party girls", both Shannon and Alex lost their job, they tried to find normal jobs at first, Shannon worked as a waitress for a short time period, but they found these kind of job brought home far less money they earned when they worked for the escort agency, so Shannon quit her waitress job and went to work for "Fallen Angelz" only quit some time later and started working solo, on the other hand, Alex was scared for the close shave from the law in the "World class party girls" incident, he did not want to risk working in this industry anymore, but he did not work for some kind of low pay job either, so he sunk into depression, and basically "retired", stayed in home and did nothing. This caused many fights between him and Shannon, Shannon was not pleased when she was out there working hard to bring money home, Alex stayed at home and did nothing, in one of these fight, Alex punched Shannon and broke her jaw. Later Alex would swear this was the only time he hit Shannon, I do not know whether this was true or not, though Alex did actively participate into searching for Shannon after she disappeared, and was the first one who try to report her missing, I do believe he did love her

 

[Sallyla]

Yes. You are missing something. The ‘once’ clearly refers to her only asking once when Alex was driving her. Not ‘he only arranged her a client once’. Clearly he was someone she knew could arrange clients and had contacts and could find men to give her work and that there relationship involved him finding work for her. Why would she be asking him to find her clients when she couldn’t get any if he was just a driver who had nothing to do with finding work.

‘Mostly retired’ and ‘spending more nights with Pak doesn’t mean “Alex was no longer in her business” when she met Pak, clearly there was overlap.

I don’t know why you’re commenting on Shannan being forced into prostitution or Alex being her pimp. It wasn’t something I brought up.

 

[Sallyla]

I’m not sure if there is any evidence of how Shannan originally got in to sex work. I certainly haven’t seen an account of it. So, again, we don’t know if she was forced initially or not.

 

[Sallyla]

I know, but Shannon did this too (sometimes asking Michael doing this for me), they were not into software, so they do it manually, almost every sex worker who post ad on capitalist would do this.



What do you mean ? You mean Brewer texted his address and number to Shannon, and she would not share this information with Michael who was her driver ?

Where did you hear Shannan did it too and MP did it for her? Can’t find an account of that anywhere.

Shannan may have given him the details. He would only have needed the address. But if Shannan was making the arrangements she would have been the one to call him. It would have been her number in JB’s phone from the previous arrangement calls. By MPs own admission John’s want as little to do with drivers as possible. It sounds unlikely Brewer would have taken a call from an unknown caller and let a male in when he was expecting a girl.

 

[marsyao]

I’m not sure if there is any evidence of how Shannan originally got in to sex work. I certainly haven’t seen an account of it. So, again, we don’t know if she was forced initially or not.

Don't know either, when Alex met her, she was already a sex worker

 

[marsyao]

Where did you hear Shannan did it too and MP did it for her? Can’t find an account of that anywhere.

Because this is a standard procedure for sex workers, otherwise their ads would sink toward the bottom of the list, and they would lost business

Shannan may have given him the details. He would only have needed the address. But if Shannan was making the arrangements she would have been the one to call him. It would have been her number in JB’s phone from the previous arrangement calls. By MPs own admission John’s want as little to do with drivers as possible. It sounds unlikely Brewer would have taken a call from an unknown caller and let a male in when he was expecting a girl.

Why only provide address ? would not make more sense to simply forward the entire text to Michael? About the driver, it was not uncommon a sex girl brings a driver wither her, this is par of her security measure, a driver of a sex work is always part of her backup, of course John would want only little to do with driver, but did not mean he did not know there would be a driver come with Shannon, this kind of details would be discussed in advance before a deal was done, again this was part of of security

 

[marsyao]

Yes. You are missing something. The ‘once’ clearly refers to her only asking once when Alex was driving her.

Yes, this is exactly what I mean, she only asked Michael to find her a customer once, that means find her clients was not part of Michael's job.
I know you did not bring up Alex was her pimp, but some guys insisted this was the case in a previous post

 

[Sallyla]

Because this is a standard procedure for sex workers, otherwise their ads would sink toward the bottom of the list, and they would lost business




Why only provide address ? would not make more sense to simply forward the entire text to Michael? About the driver, it was not uncommon a sex girl brings a driver wither her, this is par of her security measure, a driver of a sex work is always part of her backup, of course John would want only little to do with driver, but did not mean he did not know there would be a driver come with Shannon, this kind of details would be discussed in advance before a deal was done, again this was part of of security

So you’re assuming again, assuming he only refreshed her page. And no it doesn’t seem to be standard, Maureen was the only one referred to as having someone do that.

In Lost Girls it says the ads the victims put up had a mobile number to call and their last calls were arranged by voice call, not text. So you think Shannan arranged the job herself, but then gave MP the number to deal with the rest of it, even though they didn’t know in advance there would be a code for the gate? That doesn’t sound to me like security was planned and negotiated thoroughly before arrival. And then when she arrived at Brewer’s home she handed him MP’s number? (MP initially claimed JB had phoned him)? Seems implausible.

 

[Sallyla]

Yes, this is exactly what I mean, she only asked Michael to find her a customer once, that means find her clients was not part of Michael's job.
I know you did not bring up Alex was her pimp, but some guys insisted this was the case in a previous post

I’m guessing English is not your first language. That’s not what it means. It says she asked MP to find her a client ‘once when Alex was driving her’. That means she asked once when Alex was driving, not that it only happened once, ever.

 

[marsyao]

So you’re assuming again, assuming he only refreshed her page. And no it doesn’t seem to be standard, Maureen was the only one referred to as having someone do that.

In Lost Girls it says the ads the victims put up had a mobile number to call and their last calls were arranged by voice call, not text. So you think Shannan arranged the job herself, but then gave MP the number to deal with the rest of it, even though they didn’t know in advance there would be a code for the gate? That doesn’t sound to me like security was planned and negotiated thoroughly before arrival. And then when she arrived at Brewer’s home she handed him MP’s number? (MP initially claimed JB had phoned him)? Seems implausible.

If it was you,would you tell a sex worker the code for the gate ? so that they could enter your gated community when they pleased ? I would not do it, but maybe you will be the exception ? would that make much much more sense that JB only gave Shannon his number and address and asked them simply called him at the gate when they arrived ? And, of course, Shannon would give JB's number and address to Michael.

 

[marsyao]

I’m guessing English is not your first language. That’s not what it means. It says she asked MP to find her a client ‘once when Alex was driving her’. That means she asked once when Alex was driving, not that it only happened once, ever.

Sure, that must means she must keep asking Michael to finding her a client when Alex was not driving, sure I gave up, waste of time

 

[myrealitie]

If it was you,would you tell a sex worker the code for the gate ? so that they could enter your gated community when they pleased ? I would not do it, but maybe you will be the exception ? would that make much much more sense that JB only gave Shannon his number and address and asked them simply called him at the gate when they arrived ? And, of course, Shannon would give JB's number and address to Michael.

Yes this makes sense but can you please answer how you believe MP could have been in collaboration with JB to kill Shannan? It does not make sense to me. I am very curious how you think this was feasible. You did not address my earlier comments.

 

[marsyao]

Yes this makes sense but can you please answer how you believe MP could have been in collaboration with JB to kill Shannan? It does not make sense to me. I am very curious how you think this was feasible. You did not address my earlier comments.

I never say MP could have been in collaboration with JB to kill Shannan, I believe these two men did not know each other,and neither of them had anything to do with Shannan's death

 

[WINDSOR]

Yes this makes sense but can you please answer how you believe MP could have been in collaboration with JB to kill Shannan? It does not make sense to me. I am very curious how you think this was feasible. You did not address my earlier comments.

I believe it was me who implied that there could have been collaboration between MP and JB. One thing we have to do as sleuthers, is accept that values and beliefs that these people can be quite different that you and I hold.
To me it makes no sense to use drugs, and sex workers, but to the MP and JB that was perfectly normal behavior. Many things in the criminal world make no sense to us civilians.

 

[WINDSOR]

Has there been any further info regarding the content of the released 911 call?

 

[marsyao]

Has there been any further info regarding the content of the released 911 call?

I know her family lawyer was allowed to listen the entire 911 call, but he was not allowed to make it public

 

[Fabra]

Anyone know whether John Ray or the Gilbert estate can file a motion to make the tapes public, or is this strictly in the hands of SCPD at this point?

Unaware of the legal technicalities of opening these up, but I really hope there's more than one possibility on the table.

 

[Sallyla]

Anyone know whether John Ray or the Gilbert estate can file a motion to make the tapes public, or is this strictly in the hands of SCPD at this point?

Unaware of the legal technicalities of opening these up, but I really hope there's more than one possibility on the table.

I don’t think that’s really an option ATM because the case is still ongoing. I think it is more likely he’ll try and file a motion to let him speak further about the contents

 

[WINDSOR]

What surprises me there have been no leaks, even before John Ray got his copy of the tapes. I would expect John Ray to be very careful with not allowing leaks, as he spent so many years getting access to them.

Police are often the source of media leaks in most criminal cases. They often do it to help catch the criminal. With the lack of leaks it could be inferred that the police know who the perpetrators are, but do not want the public to know, hence the secrecy.

This scenario ties in with the letter by a police officer, who claimed he heard the tapes. That letter has been discredited by John Ray now he has heard the tapes.

Why would the police officer try and mislead the media and the public?