Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020 #6

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Having spent several years living and hiking in Alaska, (the Pyrenees now), I’ve run into my share of bears and learned quite a bit about bear behavior along the way. While they don’t typically hang out above the tree line, I have on occasion seen bears up high – luckily at some distance. Never a problem. They see me, I see them, we keep out of each others’ way. Bears don’t like surprises. What is really dangerous is when a hiker unknowingly stumbles upon a bear’s cache of food. Bears have a special way of storing their kill. They will eat what they can, then hide the carcass in an appropriate spot and bury it under a large mound of moss, dirt and branches to disguise it and protect it from scavengers. These food caches are about the deadliest thing a hiker can walk into. Bears will definitely kill to defend their food cache. They say that encountering this is pretty much the equivalent of stepping on a land mine. Any time we’ve been hiking and come across a funky, rotten smell, we've turned around immediately. Also, it is very typical bear behavior to grab its prey by the skull when attacking.

Although I can't find the link right now, I recall an article from months ago stating that all bears in the mountains are tagged. None were in the area where Esther was believed to be hiking.

"Other Civil Guard units including specialists in telecommunications are believed to have been asked to probe Esther's disappearance. But the force has remained tight-lipped about the work they are doing.

They have privately dismissed the idea the hiker could have been attacked by a bear and have made no comment on reports they are hunting a man travel blogger Esther said in her online travel diary had given her a lift down from the mountains in the days before she vanished.
Hunt for missing British hiker in the Pyrenees could be called off 'until spring' | Daily Mail Online
 
I find the stories I’ve read of other hiking/mountaineering tragedies to really have a bearing on my thoughts about Esther. I anxiously await further information about ED, I hope we will have a clear conclusion to her story.



Interesting that some detail, which should be easy to ascertain, is wrong in one place or another.

Most of what I’ve read about Matrosova is she was dead before any SAR team was even geared up, based on when she activated the beacon, when SAR got on the mountain, and the horrific weather conditions that afternoon. That added to my curiosity about ED’s situation.

I’ll do some more looking, but the book seems to be well researched, including interviews with Matrosova’s husband, who I assume would give correct info tto this author and others who interviewed him. It also has a later publication date (2017) than the Catskill Mountaineer article you linked and the Bloomberg BusinessWeek article I linked below (both 2015, best I could tell).



More recent than . . . ?

The CM article has quite a bit of misinformation, based on my readings of the book and other articles—one mistake being that Matrosova had hiked this presidential traverse the month before. This is not true. Her husband said in an interview with Chip Brown of Bloomberg BusinessWeek, and mentioned in the book, that he and Matrosova set up camp near Madison Hut and climbed to the summit of Mt. Madison. They descended the next morning without summiting Mt. Adams because of worsening weather conditions at that time.

Also from Brown’s article: And she had a gizmo Farhoodi had bought and insisted she take even though she couldn’t imagine using it and thought it was a waste of money—an ACR ResQLink personal locator beacon (PLB), which Farhoodi had registered with the federal authorities that monitor all personal locator beacons in the U.S.

The Heart-Breaking Story of a Trader's Last Climb


I guess we can agree to disagree about which publications to believe. And that’s okay. I was mainly curious how any kind of locator might have or wouldn’t have helped Esther.

Yes, there will certainly be different opinions and recitation of the facts of any case like this. However, I'm still of the opinion that Matrosova did not have a PLB (her husband was quite unfamiliar with hiking and the related equipment, I believe). She had a SPOT, which kept sending signals. That was what sent SAR on a wild goose chase. They thought she was moving, and realized that she likely had fallen and kept activating the SPOT herself. In the final SAR report, it states this, including the fact that the SPOT was activated 11 times. A PLB, at least at the time of this accident, is only activated once.

I found the particular information about the SPOT vs. PLB quite reliable, as it was very detailed and came after the initial responses. The information about whether she had hiked it before or nearly done so wasn't really the point of the article, so I don't put much weight into that.

However, all this is just to say that I'm of the opinion that Esther may, indeed, have been saved by having a PLB. We will never know.
 
The condition of the bones, such as cuts on the bones, should give some clues.

This article also mentions that Esther and her partner had different ideas about their future.

"Captain Bordinaro, who was involved in the searches from the beginning, said that the remains could have been moved by animals. “We passed the area where these bones were found many times, and we saw nothing until last week. So it is possible that the remains were scattered by scavengers, like foxes or vultures.”

Some have even suggested that lynx and bears may have played a role."
July 31, 2021
Esther Dingley's final moments still a mystery as remains may have been scattered by animals

We could do with someone like a Kathy Reichs on here! As well as using it a lot in her fiction, isn't she an actual qualified expert in forensic anthropology with a specialism in bone analysis? Hopefully the teams currently analysing the skull fragment will be able to glean more over the coming weeks.
 
We could do with someone like a Kathy Reichs on here! As well as using it a lot in her fiction, isn't she an actual qualified expert in forensic anthropology with a specialism in bone analysis? Hopefully the teams currently analysing the skull fragment will be able to glean more over the coming weeks.

I hope so. I was disappointed that the initial analysis of the bones did not provide any information, such as scratches made by teeth, beak, or claw.
 
I hope so. I was disappointed that the initial analysis of the bones did not provide any information, such as scratches made by teeth, beak, or claw.

Maybe it did, it's just that the LE is not obliged to share all their info with the public. We have to wait patiently.
 
Pyrénées. Mort d'Esther Dingley : deux semaines après la découverte de son crâne, le mystère reste entier | Actu Toulouse

Pyrenees. Death of Esther Dingley: two weeks after the discovery of her skull, the mystery continues

After the skull of Esther Dingley was found near Luchon, a forensic scientist and an anthropologist are currently analysing it in Toulouse in an attempt to shed light on the case.

The skull of Esther Dingley has not yet revealed all its secrets. Two weeks after the discovery of bones - this skull, but also two bones that came from animals - at the Port de la Gléré, in Bagnères-de-Luchon (Haute-Garonne), the investigators of the investigation section of Toulouse are working to find out what happened to this 37-year-old English blogger, who disappeared eight months ago.

Although DNA analyses have quickly "confirmed that it was indeed the skull of the young woman", two weeks after the macabre discovery of Spanish hikers on the French side of the massif, the investigators have not yet made "any new discoveries," Christophe Amunzateguy, the public prosecutor of Saint-Gaudens, told Actu Toulouse on Friday 6 August 2021. Many police officers have however gone over the area with a fine comb. So far, in vain.

It should be remembered that apart from this skull, no other part of the body, nor any belongings of the victim, have been found. Neither her bag, nor her clothes. Not even her famous bright yellow tent.

The case was entrusted by the prosecutor to the investigators of the investigation section (SR) of Toulouse, already put to the test these last months by another very mediatic disappearance, that of Delphine Jubillar. They have the heavy task of "drawing up a scenario to explain the disappearance of Esther Dingley," according to Christophe Amunzateguy.
"The investigations are continuing, and they are being carried out with great vigour," the prosecutor insists. He assures us that the Toulouse investigators, like the police on the ground, are "actively searching" for any clues about Esther Dingley. But Christophe Amunzateguy is clear: it will take time to get to the bottom of this case.

"I told the investigators of the Toulouse Regional Police that I would give them a month to investigate, so that they could work calmly and figure out what happened.

On the spot, the gendarmerie also deployed important means: patrols combed the area daily. Here, soldiers from the high mountain gendarmerie unit (PGHM) of Luchon. There, their colleagues from the mountain group of the Saint-Gaudens gendarmerie company... So many men who, according to a source close to the investigation, have once again "carried out searches in certain sectors that are very difficult to access", around the Port de la Gléré, since the discovery of the bones. A drone was also made available to the PGHM, with a remote pilot, in this case a soldier from the mobile gendarmerie squadron of Saint-Gaudens. But all these investigations were "complicated by the wind and the weather of these last weeks in the mountains."

Although they were "upset" by the news, Dan Colegate and Ria Bryant, Esther Dingley's partner and mother, are also still in the area, and are trying to contribute to the search in their own way. As he has often done over the past eight months, Dan Colegate has been walking the trails in the area for the past two weeks, always hoping to find more traces of his partner. But once again, nothing came of it.

The skull must now be examined by specialists in forensic medicine, but also, according to our information, by an anthropologist from the Ville Rose, who was called in for the occasion.

They will multiply over the next few weeks "scientific research on the bones found," the prosecutor confirms. With the objective of determining the causes of death, to try to solve this mystery. And to be able to put forward "a scenario of what could have happened, whether it is an accidental or criminal theory, because we are not closing the door to any hypothesis."

Have animal bites or any other marks been found on the skull? And if so, were they from before or after her death? According to the head of the public prosecutor's office in Saint-Gaudens, it is too early to say anything. But according to various sources, Esther Dingley's skull was not whole. It was only the upper part, with long hair, which made it possible to quickly carry out the DNA tests.

"Everything leads us to believe that these are bones recently moved by animals", Jean-Marc Bordinaro, the second in command of the Saint-Gaudens gendarmerie company, told Actu Toulouse, specifying that they had "certainly stayed in a cavity."
"It is the most plausible hypothesis," according to Colonel Xavier Wargnier, of the Occitania Gendarmerie.
But it is not the only one either: found at an altitude of 2,200 metres, on the French side of the Port de la Gléré, a few hundred metres from the Spanish side, they could also have fallen down the mountain with the thaw or the rain. Especially since it is a snow-covered area for a good part of the winter, when it is very difficult to access... So many detailts that the experts from Toulouse will have to confirm or deny.

One thing seems certain for the moment: these bones were not there a few days earlier. "The skull was found on the edge of a hiking trail. Given the number of people who passed by the location in the previous days, if it had been there, it would have been spotted," according to a source close to the case on Friday.



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From the quoted comment:

"Have animal bites or any other marks been found on the skull? And if so, were they from before or after her death? According to the head of the public prosecutor's office in Saint-Gaudens, it is too early to say anything. But according to various sources, Esther Dingley's skull was not whole. It was only the upper part, with long hair, which made it possible to quickly carry out the DNA tests."​
 
I have not see any murder theories. So far as I am aware, they think accident the most likely explanation.

Hi, good to see you posting again after your all too brief introduction earlier in the week. As you said previously "someone thinking outside the box could just provide the vital clue." but personally I agree that an accident is the most likely explanation here.
 
I read police walked along paths so see where Esther Dingley walked of path but there is no sense and cannot search. She is not having accident it turns out. She as also thin. I think she maybe met a man and died?
 
Well, maybe, but it would seem to me that, given all that wilderness, vultures would have more preferred spots much farther away from any human activity, and that young birds would mimic the parents' behavior, and we do know that people were out there in the days before. People may have been out there before the trail was officially checked -- I don't know, did that happen, was it officially checked?-- or a maybe a ranger or searcher or someone had just been through there recently. And as far as another animal dragging the bones from nearby to that location -- again, why? Why not scavenge them in place? Would there be anything left to scavenge after the vultures got to them? And surely there must have been at least the scent of human activity and most wild animals seemingly avoid possible encounters with humans. And lastly, does the fact that the skull fragment was hers, and the other bones were of animals imply that there is also a dead animal (it must have been a larger animal since it took a while for them to announce that they are not human) near where Esther's remains are, and if so, what are the implications of that? I just find it all very puzzling and strange.


I still think it more likely to have been an accident at the Port de Glere, but the lack of anything else but part of a skull associated with some animal bones, by the path so high up is strange. If they slid out in water from snow melt from a "cavity", where an animal had found or left them, gravity narrows down the area where this cavity should be, but it still hasn't been found. Disparate bones would not still all be together if they had just 'weathered out' from a cavity. You'd expect more scattered bones to be found, with some sorting by size/shape and mass, en route downwards. The find is maybe an animal association but I am not so sure about the vulture and bear theories either.

Bone smashing vultures (ie bearded vultures/lammergeiers) are really pretty rare, including in the Pyrenees (The bearded vulture, King of the National Parks - FCQ ) and a human head is just about at, or above the weight limit for such a vulture (human head wt 3.6kg-5.4kg, max wt for a bearded vulture to fly with is about 4 kg, nearly their own weight).
Much more common are Griffon vultures (about 2000 breeding pairs across the Pyrenees, Massif Central and Alps Griffon vultures no longer in danger of extinction in France ) but they devour a carcass on the spot, and you'd expect the remains of the body and clothes/boots and equipment all to be left at the same spot. There has been one case that I know about where these vultures were involved (following a fatal fall in the Pyrenees in 2013 Woman eaten by vultures after plunging 1,000ft to her death in the Pyrenees | Daily Mail Online. )

Bears are rare too in the Pyrenees and not usually found above the tree line plus they start hibernating in October (mild winters can delay this a bit though) Le point sur la population d'ours des Pyrénées (France - Espagne - Andorre)

Until they find something more, this case is wide open.
 
Yes, there will certainly be different opinions and recitation of the facts of any case like this. However, I'm still of the opinion that Matrosova did not have a PLB (her husband was quite unfamiliar with hiking and the related equipment, I believe). She had a SPOT, which kept sending signals. That was what sent SAR on a wild goose chase. They thought she was moving, and realized that she likely had fallen and kept activating the SPOT herself. In the final SAR report, it states this, including the fact that the SPOT was activated 11 times. A PLB, at least at the time of this accident, is only activated once.

I found the particular information about the SPOT vs. PLB quite reliable, as it was very detailed and came after the initial responses. The information about whether she had hiked it before or nearly done so wasn't really the point of the article, so I don't put much weight into that.

However, all this is just to say that I'm of the opinion that Esther may, indeed, have been saved by having a PLB. We will never know.

After reading a few accounts of Matrosova’s last climb, I think it’s too bad there isn’t one definitive telling of the incident. I like facts in nonfiction work, and unfortunately, almost every account had a few facts that didn’t line up with those in other articles. I see why we differ in our impressions of what happened.

I’d love to read that final SAR report, would you mind linking it? I didn’t find it in a quick Google search.

As you said, we’ll never know if a locator beacon of some sort would have helped ED. Whatever problem Matrosova’s beacon had that resulted in pings many miles apart (extreme cold, cloud cover, blowing snow, technological, device being in her backpack, etc.), a dependence on them seems a cautionary tale.
 
I read police walked along paths so see where Esther Dingley walked of path but there is no sense and cannot search. She is not having accident it turns out. She as also thin. I think she maybe met a man and died?
@Pahorb, welcome to WS and this fascinating but tragic case. Can you say more about what you are thinking? Especially about this man ED might have met?
 
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@Pahorb, welcome to WS and this fascinating but tragic case. Can you say more about what you are thinking? Especially about this man ED might have met?
Yes, I see about Esther Dingley's bone. I read here that maybe baby vultures dropping bones or maybe she is trapped in vertical position with body not exposed. But these are silly ideas. If you walk of path it is easy to now. This is why police cannot make, sense I think. I read another website. I think she maybe met a person in another place. The bone at the track is very strange.
 
Yes, I see about Esther Dingley's bone. I read here that maybe baby vultures dropping bones or maybe she is trapped in vertical position with body not exposed. But these are silly ideas. If you walk of path it is easy to now. This is why police cannot make, sense I think. I read another website. I think she maybe met a person in another place. The bone at the track is very strange.

Welcome!
It sounds like you're suggesting that ED met someone at another place, and this person did something to her. You are saying we and the police have trouble understanding what happened because we are starting with the wrong idea.

Could you please say more? If you put "in my opinion" in your paragraphs, you can give your ideas.

I hope my English makes sense to you. From my experience, it's difficult to communicate on topics like mysteries if English is a new language for you.
 
....maybe she is trapped in vertical position with body not exposed...

This—combined with LE's description of ED being "inexperienced" and, as they surmise, a likely scenario that she left the trail—gave me an idea that we may have missed all this time. If ED died in that slabby area on the trail beneath the PdelaG (either because she accidentally ended up there or because she thought it was the trail), she might have been buried by shifts in the slabs, but she could also have been out in the open. Once stripped of flesh, the bones will have percolated through the rock slabs to the spaces below. If that is the case, it seems unlikely the remains will ever be found.
What might end up happening is that LE examines the bones for bleaching from the sun or discoloration from specific rock types, ores, etc.

IMO the odds are ED was descending the scree slope below the PdelaG where she was found. The vast majority of accidents occur on a descent, and the steep terrain (60-70 degrees), featurelessness of the scree slope, especially if light was low, along with the likelihood of frost (it was below freezing at dark), made for a high likelihood of catastrophe.

But there were rocks plates in the scree-ish area. IMO it's very possible, one way or another, that ED ended up in those rock plates. If she had somehow found a weather-protective place there, she might indeed have been very difficult to see, especially from the actual trail. She could even have been standing.

Even drones passing directly overhead would not be able to see ED if her remains had percolated through the rocks. From there, the bones could also have been moved, out of sight, along with rivulets of snow melt.

DC's perspective notwithstanding—that ED couldn't be out there because he hadn't seen her on his searches, and there was nowhere a person could vanish to in that area—there were uncountable places where exactly that was possible. Thus LE's steadfast references to how mountains swallow up remains.

Apologies if my thoughts here seem bald. I have tried to step gingerly, but that's not easy when discussing human remains when a hiker has gone missing.

Photo from Port de la Glère : Photos, Diagrams & Topos : SummitPost Note the cliff amidst all the scree as the trail goes forward. The switchbacks may no longer exist (see @otto 's maps). Note the green patches: this area will be dewy in summer and frosty in shoulder seasons (ED was firmly into winter).

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It has been considered and debated at various points up thread I think Pineapple, and of course it still has not been ruled out.
Yes I guess everything remains on the table until/unless proven otherwise. But I believe the authorities still believe accident the most likely. I hope for the sake of Dan and the family that it can be resolved somehow. Unfortunately we may never be sure 100%.
 
Welcome!
It sounds like you're suggesting that ED met someone at another place, and this person did something to her. You are saying we and the police have trouble understanding what happened because we are starting with the wrong idea.

Could you please say more? If you put "in my opinion" in your paragraphs, you can give your ideas.

I hope my English makes sense to you. From my experience, it's difficult to communicate on topics like mysteries if English is a new language for you.
English is not really new to me I learn at work for a long time now. But I write not much mainly.

Thank you for 'in my opinion'. I understand. I do not think is possible Esther would have not known she was walking of path. Is obvious when you walk of path there. Very rough. I walked there in November. She would not now be hidden so, or her pack and the rest, high up above path. I used to think accident but with no sign now I do not think so. I do not believe baby vultures or bears. Maybe, I think in my opinion, she went back down hill. Her body could be anywhere but exposed to animals also so someone goes back and takes a bone to high path for police to find. When women are killed or hurt it is probably a man they know mainly. Maybe a strange person but probably not in my opinion. Esther Dingley met someone before she goes missing I think. The police think this also in my opinion.
 
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Esther Dingley met someone before she goes missing I think. The police think this also in my opinion.
Interesting. Well we can't rule anything out. What makes you think the police are working on this as the most likely scenario?
 
English is not really new to me I learn at work for a long time now. But I write not much mainly.

Thank you for 'in my opinion'. I understand. I do not think is possible Esther would have not known she was walking of path. Is obvious when you walk of path there. Very rough. I walked there in November. She would not now be hidden so, or her pack and the rest, high up above path. I used to think accident but with no sign now I do not think so. I do not believe baby vultures or bears. Maybe, I think in my opinion, she went back down hill. Her body could be anywhere but exposed to animals also so someone goes back and takes a bone to high path for police to find. When women are killed or hurt it is probably a man they know mainly. Maybe a strange person but probably not in my opinion. Esther Dingley met someone before she goes missing I think. The police think this also in my opinion.

Did you hike up, or down, the Port de la Glere in France in November?
 
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