Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[heartgoesout]

I forgot the eye witness? What eye witness?

70% of wrongful convictions are based on eye witness reports and in the Delphi case unless I’ve missed something huge, nobody witnessed the murders occurring. I understand that we want this case closed but I’m sure everyone wants the right guy convicted with reliable evidence.

Mistaken identity

You are correct. No one saw the actual murders. Witness meaning people on the trail that day who saw other people on the trail that day.

 

[Falcon500]

May I ask respectfully why you believe this?

<modsnip> A cold case is one where all investigative leads have been eliminated and there are no suspects. These cases are often store in storerooms or in archives gathering dust. I had/have a case from 1935 that was not a cold case.

 

[Falcon500]

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I think many of us when sleuthing poi's in this case really noticed the "everyone is connected" thing and have felt that would play a role when this case is solved. Many of us focused on the drug connections, criminals, RSO's, etc... that's human nature to do, it's always the bad guy that can be picked out, right?​

LE has flat out told us the answer will be a shock to the community.
IMO LE has said what they can to prepare for the heartache.
I believe BG's connections will also be shocking.
Imagine if his family members are LE, community leaders, coaches, etc...​

Here's the thing. Statements by LE as presented above imply that LE knows who murdered the girls. Yet here we are 4 1/2 years after their murder, and there is no arrest. That is way too much time to let a murderer walk around free. Something is wrong. And what is going to change in the future? They are going to wait until they get that "one tip" that will allow them to arrest the murderer, who they already have identified?

If they know who did it, do a full-court press on them. Follow the guy 24/7. Give them no peace. Interview the neighbors, the co-workers, the family, again and again. Stress the outstanding reward. Search his past--their pasts. Search internet usage. Find something to arrest him for--guarantee a guy like this is a lawbreaker. Put him in jail and plant undercover inmates in his cell. Do what it takes to put this evil person away for the rest of their life. Do something beside wait for that one tip that will let them solve the case! My opinion only.

Several of the things that you suggest are unconditional and not legal.

 

[Rural_PC]

<modsnip>
A cold case is one where all investigative leads have been eliminated and there are no suspects. These cases are often store in storerooms or in archives gathering dust. I had/have a case from 1935 that was not a cold case.

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I do have a question though, how do you know that all investigative leads have not been eliminated and that they have suspect(s)?

 

[Trebor5591]

Several of the things that you suggest are unconditional and not legal.

Your right, I shouldn't have said "Give them no peace". Everything else, following the correct procedures, should be OK, I would think. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Falcon500]

Several of the things that you suggest are unconstitutional and not legal.

 

[sapphire blue]

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I think many of us when sleuthing poi's in this case really noticed the "everyone is connected" thing and have felt that would play a role when this case is solved. Many of us focused on the drug connections, criminals, RSO's, etc... that's human nature to do, it's always the bad guy that can be picked out, right?​

LE has flat out told us the answer will be a shock to the community.
IMO LE has said what they can to prepare for the heartache.
I believe BG's connections will also be shocking.
Imagine if his family members are LE, community leaders, coaches, etc...​

Here's the thing. Statements by LE as presented above imply that LE knows who murdered the girls. Yet here we are 4 1/2 years after their murder, and there is no arrest. That is way too much time to let a murderer walk around free. Something is wrong. And what is going to change in the future? They are going to wait until they get that "one tip" that will allow them to arrest the murderer, who they already have identified?

If they know who did it, do a full-court press on them. Follow the guy 24/7. Give them no peace. Interview the neighbors, the co-workers, the family, again and again. Stress the outstanding reward. Search his past--their pasts. Search internet usage. Find something to arrest him for--guarantee a guy like this is a lawbreaker. Put him in jail and plant undercover inmates in his cell. Do what it takes to put this evil person away for the rest of their life. Do something beside wait for that one tip that will let them solve the case! My opinion only.

it can sometimes take years before a suspect is arrested, remember law enforcement only get one chance at a conviction, they have to make sure they have enough to convict, otherwise the perp walks free.

a good example of how long it can take to arrest is Dylan Redwines case. Dylan disappeared in nov 2012, his father was only arrested in July 2017, and only convicted this year. The wheels of justice turn quite slowly, unlike tv shows where it’s all wrapped up neatly in a short time frame.

 

[heartgoesout]

it can sometimes take years before a suspect is arrested, remember law enforcement only get one chance at a conviction, they have to make sure they have enough to convict, otherwise the perp walks free.

a good example of how long it can take to arrest is Dylan Redwines case. Dylan disappeared in nov 2012, his father was only arrested in July 2017, and only convicted this year. The wheels of justice turn quite slowly, unlike tv shows where it’s all wrapped up neatly in a short time frame.

Was there any indication why it took so long?

 

[heartgoesout]

Right, someone identified in or around the trails that day who did not come forward is not enough evidence to prove that person committed double murder.

Or someone who finally did come forward and was able to collaborate with what everyone else was saying because he would have saw the same things and then hide in plain sight (figuratively speaking) as a witness not POI. IMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Just my opinion, but I don’t think the town is going to be shocked when an arrest is made. That statement was made based on an FBI profile only in my opinion, and I think that profile is way off. Like the first sketch, it just skewed everything in the wrong direction.
If people in and around Delphi knew this not-yet-arrested killer well enough to be shocked when he’s arrested, dozens of them would have already recognized him and called him in by now.

If he is not from Delphi, then they wouldn't know him personally, but nevertheless would be shocked. IMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Pretty much every murderer would be curious as to what the Police do and don't know about the case where they are responsible.

Difference: the most wouldn't be in a position to ask LE (or use a "trustworthy" middleman) to gain information. But BG or his middleman might be.

 

[AC4RD]

I do have a question though, how do you know that all investigative leads have not been eliminated and that they have suspect(s)?

Respectfully, the police have been pretty open about it--for which I'm glad.

"There is still a dedicated team working on the case, which includes two Carroll County detectives, two Indiana State Police detectives and other law enforcement officers. " from February, Police say Delphi murders investigation still active 4 years later | wthr.com Also new HQ for the investigation, which we were just discussing: wouldn't be done if there wasn't an active investigation, IMO.

I don't know anything "inside" from any of this, but my guess is that many of the LE officers who have been involved in this will *never* stop investigating and thinking about this case, on duty or not, until the offender is in handcuffs.

 

[AC4RD]

Well, I asked respectfully for your opinion ... You then chose to tell me what I don't know. ... not interested in your opinion.

I still speak absolutely respectfully, I don't mean this as ANY sort of criticism, just as a point of fact: "cold case" has a specific meaning, which Mr Falcon500 explained. It wasn't his opinion (though this statement is MY opinion only) and he simply meant that the observable facts about the ongoing investigation show that the case is not "cold" by that standard definition. That's all, and I don't think he meant it with any disrespect--same with me, just trying to keep our definitions clear. No hard feelings here, right? Seriously!

 

[Rural_PC]

I still speak absolutely respectfully, I don't mean this as ANY sort of criticism, just as a point of fact: "cold case" has a specific meaning, which Mr Falcon500 explained. It wasn't his opinion (though this statement is MY opinion only) and he simply meant that the observable facts about the ongoing investigation show that the case is not "cold" by that standard definition. That's all, and I don't think he meant it with any disrespect--same with me, just trying to keep our definitions clear. No hard feelings here, right? Seriously!

No hard feelings at all. Being a bit pedantic I'll mention that there are a few different definitions of cold case out there. I personally don't know if it is a cold case or not, but I sure think it is a fair discussion to have. Government funding is a strange animal, so I don't know what to think of the new building. And cops lie all the time, so I don't put much stock in their proclamations. Especially considering the mixed messages that have been sent by law enforcement and prosecutors involved with this case.

 

[minazoe]

there is movement in the case..they are investigating someone, they are moving into new space and expanding their team..not just any space but a space with a S$@T ton of parking . So no way is this case even close to cold. ..this case is an ongoing reality and will be for at least the next two years.

has anyone ever heard of something like this on any case? I never have..It's like a command center..a bunker..a safe house..tell me how it can be even remotely a cold case. no way.

mOO

 

[MistyWaters]

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I think many of us when sleuthing poi's in this case really noticed the "everyone is connected" thing and have felt that would play a role when this case is solved. Many of us focused on the drug connections, criminals, RSO's, etc... that's human nature to do, it's always the bad guy that can be picked out, right?​

LE has flat out told us the answer will be a shock to the community.
IMO LE has said what they can to prepare for the heartache.
I believe BG's connections will also be shocking.
Imagine if his family members are LE, community leaders, coaches, etc...​

Here's the thing. Statements by LE as presented above imply that LE knows who murdered the girls. Yet here we are 4 1/2 years after their murder, and there is no arrest. That is way too much time to let a murderer walk around free. Something is wrong. And what is going to change in the future? They are going to wait until they get that "one tip" that will allow them to arrest the murderer, who they already have identified?

If they know who did it, do a full-court press on them. Follow the guy 24/7. Give them no peace. Interview the neighbors, the co-workers, the family, again and again. Stress the outstanding reward. Search his past--their pasts. Search internet usage. Find something to arrest him for--guarantee a guy like this is a lawbreaker. Put him in jail and plant undercover inmates in his cell. Do what it takes to put this evil person away for the rest of their life. Do something beside wait for that one tip that will let them solve the case! My opinion only.

I have never believed Leazenby made that statement in the context of he knows who’s guilty….as if haha case solved, guess who! There’s more than one meaning to that statement and I think we’re taking it the wrong way.

He certainly knows who local townsfolk think might be guilty, he knows who they’ve investigated and while not making an announcement, he knows who’s been cleared. So I think he just means the people will be shocked when the most popular candidate thought to be guilty is not the one who is eventually charged.

IMO Shocked at who the culprit isn’t, rather than shocked at who he is.

 

[TTF14]

there is movement in the case..they are investigating someone, they are moving into new space and expanding their team..not just any space but a space with a S$@T ton of parking . So no way is this case even close to cold. ..this case is an ongoing reality and will be for at least the next two years.

has anyone ever heard of something like this on any case? I never have..It's like a command center..a bunker..a safe house..tell me how it can be even remotely a cold case. no way.

mOO

Almost like they're expecting an all-out media frenzy.

 

[minazoe]

almost as if ...if the case stays where it is it will interrupt the daily operations of the police station and it won't be able to properly function...just sayin.. mOO

 

[TTF14]

What is the exact address of the building?

 

[Rural_PC]

Almost like they're expecting an all-out media frenzy.

That would be awesome, and reason to celebrate perhaps. I hope you are right!