Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

[simon magus]

EDIT: I forgot one of the most important parts: It would also explain how they knew exactly where to go and it would support the fact that indeed, none of us was crazy for questioning this. MOO
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i understand that this is entirely possible, but i feel it would have been shortsighted to offer a "deal" that would not have required that BL actually be alive for it to be valid...moo

 

[TL4S]

In my personal view, the significance of the water bottle, if it really is GP's and not a fake, would be that BL actively chose to bring along something of GP's to the park that day. Something she kept with her, held, and touched to her mouth. That seems meaningful to me. Jmo.

But I'm sure I'm getting ahead of myself...

 

[Runswithscissorz]

Can anyone help me understand what forensic value the water bottle might have? In what way does it help the Coroner figure out what happened to BL?

I agree, probably no significant forensic value at all but their complete lack of interest in it combined with other missteps in this case may help their department with better investigative training in the future.

 

[10ofRods]

Did I miss someone say they think Brian's death was a homicide? Who would think this? Edit: Are you thinking calling it a crime scene equates to me thinking his death was a homicide? If so, no. My point was there was a crime - he was an active fugitive. The parents should not have been touching evidence or removing it from its location b4 photographed.

I think there's a good chance the water bottle was planted by someone. If it wasn't, the fact that they didn't collect it is a very bad look. IMO.

MOO

Yes, well, LE let the parents walk in the area and find things. So they were okay with it. Of course I don't equate crime scene to homicide - I've been saying the opposite as plainly as I could all along. I'm a forensic anthropologist.

He was a fugitive, but I think LE thought he was dead in the preserve. In fact, it's possible that dogs hit on cadaverine close by - but couldn't locate the source. I also think LE knows what kind of gun was in that gun case in the Mustang, so they knew what type of damage they would be looking for. People don't usually die from, say, a gunshot to their knee. Suicides typically go for the head - and if someone looks up on the internet how to do it, they would do it in such a way as to blow off the top of their head (which has been hinted at by media sources talking about the cranial sutures). LE knows all this too.

What effect on this case does the parents touching the dry bag have? Do you really think that all investigations are exactly the same and by the book? They are not. Emotions and family relationships are real - and if the Laundries found something LE did not, unless LE had them under close surveillance for some unknown reason, it was predictable that they'd touch the dry bag.

And again - what possible evidence could be ruined by the parents touching the dry bag? One could assume their DNA would be on most of BL's belongings.

I'm just not getting the concern.

 

[Luna20]

What info from the Laundries was so instrumental that it was immunity worthy?

 

[cady]

Who is the "they" here? Because I believe the parents ID'd Brian via some person belongings known to be his. And it turned out they were right, with the next layer of evidence (teeth) showing the same. It's Brian.

Manner of Death...well, LE seems confident it will be determined...

Hope you are right. jmo

 

[cady]

What info from the Laundries was so instrumental that it was immunity worthy?

Maybe they told FBI that Brian confessed to them? jmo

 

[cottonweaver]

I hope not. I've heard enough about it already! MOO

I thought it sounded a bit OTT but I checked his TL & seems he's just using the WFLANow hashtag not 'going live'
https://twitter.com/WFLAJB/status/1452386547085586439
the replies are quite harsh though

 

[10ofRods]

In my personal view, the significance of the water bottle, if it really is GP's and not a fake, would be that BL brought along something of GP's to the park that day. Something she kept with her, held, and touched to her mouth. That seems meaningful to me. Jmo.

Okay - so sentimental significance that cannot actually be shown or proved. Something inside BL's now dead mind...you can think it was meaningful to him and sentimental, or you can just say that he wanted a water bottle and it was there. Maybe they both used it all the time (that's what my SO and I do - we don't take two water bottles on every trip). Maybe BL bought the bottle in the first place and Gabby just used it and he didn't give a second thought to including it in his packing for that day. Maybe he was uncertain when he left his house whether he was going to follow through on suicide (most people aren't 100% certain until they pull the trigger - and those who decide to slash their wrists instead are definitely less certain).

It's meaningful to you because you would like there to be sentiment - but we simply cannot know the contents of Brian's mind. Even if Gabby used the bottle - how do we know it was actually hers and not shared or not purchased by Brian?

 

[bluwaters]

Sorry. I wasn't clear. I wasn't referring to people here at WS. I was referring to people all over the internet. People at large, so to speak.

Guilty as charged! lol

 

[Jurisprudence]

i understand that this is entirely possible, but i feel it would have been shortsighted to offer a "deal" that would not have required that BL actually be alive for it to be valid...moo

@simon magus I never expected them to ever do this. I am not sure they even did. The opinion is based solely on the DM report FBI agent and SB interview on Fox Digital combined with the numerous inconsistencies and what "looked like" serious investigative lapses that never made sense to me. (Which, if there is a deal, would NOT be investigative lapses.)

I really hope there is no deal. I really hope this is wrong.

Time for Bball game. Maybe tomorrow I'll wake to learn someone's been indicted for their role in this. That would be nice. MOO

 

[Truth Prevails]

What info from the Laundries was so instrumental that it was immunity worthy?

Maybe the location of his remains?

 

[Sassafrass]

In my personal view, the significance of the water bottle, if it really is GP's and not a fake, would be that BL actively chose to bring along something of GP's to the park that day. Something she kept with her, held, and touched to her mouth. That seems meaningful to me. Jmo.

But I'm sure I'm getting ahead of myself...

Or that it was Florida in September, and therefore hot.

 

[Lilibeth]

Okay - so sentimental significance that cannot actually be shown or proved. Something inside BL's now dead mind...you can think it was meaningful to him and sentimental, or you can just say that he wanted a water bottle and it was there. Maybe they both used it all the time (that's what my SO and I do - we don't take two water bottles on every trip). Maybe BL bought the bottle in the first place and Gabby just used it and he didn't give a second thought to including it in his packing for that day. Maybe he was uncertain when he left his house whether he was going to follow through on suicide (most people aren't 100% certain until they pull the trigger - and those who decide to slash their wrists instead are definitely less certain).

It's meaningful to you because you would like there to be sentiment - but we simply cannot know the contents of Brian's mind. Even if Gabby used the bottle - how do we know it was actually hers and not shared or not purchased by Brian?

Why is it considered Gabby's bottle? I may have missed that part. Brian is sitting right there in the photo on the floor of the van next to the bottle...

 

[Bertha96]

Interesting, but I cannot imagine anyone (especially a 20-sonething of limited means) being so alarmed at a traffic stop that ended with "now you two kids take a night off and be nicer to each other, okay" that they would talk to a lawyer at all, much less fly across the country to meet with one live and in person, much less after we have all learned to live with minimal in-person meetings due to COVID.

I think it was a combination of his parents wanting to see him after the interaction with LE and possibly whatever was said between BL and GP after the stop. If threats were made (I have enough video/audio recordings to show everyone what you have been doing to me, etc) BL could have been looking out for number one and trying to get a head of any relationship violence narrative.
Of course it's just a feeling I get and that could change as more information becomes available (if more information becomes available). I realize that GP's family have not supplied any information regarding what GP's versions of events were. Perhaps after the case is closed, they might fill in a lot of the missing information. IMO.

 

[simon magus]

@simon magus I never expected them to ever do this. I am not sure they even did. The opinion is based solely on the DM report FBI agent and SB interview on Fox Digital combined with the numerous inconsistencies and what "looked like" serious investigative lapses that never made sense to me.

I really hope there is no deal. I really hope this is wrong.

i hope not as well...i hate to second guess LE, but i can't help but feel that gabby has been failed enough both before and after her death...moo

 

[SkidRogue]

I have a stupid question and I can't find the answer.

How do we know that the water bottle was Gabby's and not Brian's? The back of the van was filled with both of their belonging, so it can't just be from that single pic. I'm sure I missed something. Thanks.

 

[Coquette]

During SB's interview with Ashleigh Banfield the other night, he specifically stated that he had not met with the Laundries in person. NewsNation link from YouTube below.

In fact, on Thursday, September 23, they drove to Orlando to meet with him. He confirmed this himself at the time.

"Laundrie family attorney Steven Bertolino confirmed later Thursday that the parents had traveled to Orlando to meet with him."

"Brian Laundrie's parents flee Florida home" Brian Laundrie’s parents ignore questions as they’re spotted leaving Florida home

"Lawyer Steve Bertolino flew from New York to Florida specifically to meet with Brian's parents after a federal arrest warrant was issued for the missing 23-year-old on Wednesday."

"Brian Laundrie parents are escorted by law enforcement as they return to their home | Daily Mail Online" Brian Laundrie parents are escorted by law enforcement as they return to their home | Daily Mail Online

Its interesting to note that North Port PD announced that the FBI took the lead on this case on Monday, September 27.

"Brian Laundrie: FBI officially takes the lead in search after police scale back efforts in Carlton Reserve" Brian Laundrie: FBI officially takes the lead in search after police scale back efforts in Carlton Reserve

There are three FBI field offices in Florida. One in Miami, one in Jacksonville, and one in Tampa. The Tampa office is the closest to North Port.

"Field Offices — FBI"
Field Offices — FBI

IMO and speculation only, there is a very good chance that the meeting that took place was in fact with the FBI that day. SB stated that he flew down to meet with the Laundries. He may have met them at Tampa FBI offices or he attended virtually, which would explain his statements to Banfield. Again, speculation on my part, but it certainly fits, IMO.

The rest you can piece together. IMO, the Laundries have likely been cooperating with the FBI since Brian's arrest warrant was issued and perhaps immediately after he went missing. The FBI announced the warrant for his arrest on 9/22.

https://twitter.com/FBIDenver/status/1441170971453390874?t=k3-kStMgemql5psDjT6_Og&s=19

"Hunt for Brian Laundrie: Federal arrest warrant issued | Fox News" Hunt for Brian Laundrie: Federal arrest warrant issued | Fox News

Again, all in my opinion only.

ETA correction.

 

[ctmom]

DBM

 

[cady]

@simon magus I never expected them to ever do this. I am not sure they even did. The opinion is based solely on the DM report FBI agent and SB interview on Fox Digital combined with the numerous inconsistencies and what "looked like" serious investigative lapses that never made sense to me.

I really hope there is no deal. I really hope this is wrong.

We just don't know. I'm suspicious of an imm. deal too, of some sort, but I hope not. jmo They agreed to help FBI with info about Brian's possible whereabouts, but retained their right to not speak about Gabby? Something like that??? jmo