Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

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Is it illegal to drink beer during the day.
Would she be "wrong" if she was still drinking it later.

Not targeted at you, Estelle, but at others who are "perfect" and judgemental towards others.


Yes I feel so sorry for the BM the way she has been treated without any respect. I don't think there is anything wrong with a woman drinking beer in the middle of the day as long as she was not still drinking it hours later. Perhaps people would rather she drank wine at lunch???? But was she drunk?
 
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Two brothers and a sister.

From 'NSW police media interview' (this is all I can find right now to corroborate):

P: I think it’s fair to say the community has asked that very question, particularly on a semi-rural property, kids don’t just disappear.

M: No they don’t, they don’t. My brothers have brought their kids up around there, they would run those streets with absolutely no fear. Every other house on that street with kids, those kids are on that street with absolutely no fear. There’s no reason for them not to be safe at Nanna’s house

This makes me think FFC would be quite familiar with the area since her brothers brought their kids up around there. Wouldn’t she have been visiting in that time? Possibly why FGM retired there - her sons were there . .
Where were they when all the kerfuffle was going on I wonder ?
JMOO
 
RSBM
I can imagine a hypothetical circumstance where a member of the public seeing their face in the media might say, "Gee, he/she looks a lot like that person who I noticed belting a little kid in the shopping centre car park a few months ago. Better ring Crime Stoppers and let them know."

Yep, but after 7 years ... IMO that ship has long since sailed.
 
oh really. .. I wasn’t aware they lost that case.

And, just my very un-professional opinion, but I’d wonder on what basis an adoption could be allowed when bio-parents are alive, have not surrender the children for adoption & the children are minors so cannot have applied for court order to ‘divorce’ their parents.

maybe someone with knowledge of the adoption laws can please advise.
Money and position allow lots of things that are denied poorer people.
 
bingo!

100%

This is how I came to be supportive of them. The hypocrisy and shaming of them while the fosters enjoy anonomity scrutinising them very very unreasonable.

Especially when we know they were accounted for when William disappeared.
That at the end of the day is the critical point.

What do we actually know about the people last with him??? not a damn thing.

moo

AND WHO WAS THE LAST PERSON TO SEE WT ALIVE??? FFC (FGM?)
 
Yes. And maybe that’s exactly what they are trying to do. If the POI is the FM, she has a psychopathy that has enabled her to do something terrible, to keep it to herself for so long and to avoid suspicion from very experienced police officers.

Perhaps NSWPOL is being guided by forensic psychologists.

Just speculation in my part.

I agree this is a possibility.

Possibly the reason for the local search which I strongly believe will show us something. IMO.
 
There is an old article in one of the QLD papers that details WT's BM's troubled life. I won't post the link here because (a) it is behind a pay wall and (b) it was written in 2018 which is after the suppression orders were lifted but before they were reapplied again by Harriet Greene, so have all the bio family's names plus pictures of them.

Suffice to say that the BM has a history with the police going back to 2006. The article also mentions, incidentally, that during one event where she was involved with police she was with a family member that was also known to police. I am speculating that her upbringing was troubled (MOOO).

In addition, we are probably all aware of circumstances surrounding the time when the BM and BD absconded and hid with WT.
William Tyrrell's parents hid him from authorities before putting him in foster care, court hears

We are also aware that his BD is now not doing very well.
William Tyrrell’s biological grandmother reveals family’s unbearable pain

We also know that WT was removed from his bio parents because of drugs and domestic violence.
"William’s biological mum explained that William was placed in foster care as a toddler amid allegations of domestic violence and drug use.

“When I had to do a drug screen, I tested positive after I’d had my children,” she told the program."
'They failed him': William's biological mum lashes out at his foster parents

The older article I first mentioned in my post mentions that the BM was (at least in 2018) still caring for WT's 2 younger siblings. I am speculating that this is due to the fact that FACS thought she was able to get her act together enough and demonstrated that she had separated from the BM and hence could provide a more stable home for the 2 younger siblings MOO.

However, IMO this doesn't mean that she can cope with or provide a suitable home for for LT and that LT should be replaced back with her.

LT has likely had a very different life to her 2 younger siblings in the BM's care. She now has endured significant trauma (1 being that she was allegedly subjected to an assault, 2 being separated now from her FP who she had been with most of her life and 3 having a brother who has very publicly and mysteriously disappeared). So I disagree with those who say that she should be returned to her BM MOO. Just because the BM may be doing OK with the 2 younger siblings doesn't mean that she is equipped to provide a loving and stable home to a pre-teen with significant trauma (speculation only JMO). With everything that has now happened, LT will have specific, ongoing need for specialist services and will need to be placed in care that has every chance of being very stable and supportive - enough to try and heal from some of this trauma (if that's possible). IMO I am not sure that the BM can provide this (pure speculation only).

So while I absolutely agree that the bio parents have been dealt a raw deal in life and seem to not have been afforded the same considerations from authorities that the FPs have, let's not romanticise them as being the innocent victims and imagine that LT can now go back to the BM and live happily ever after (I'm being a bit sarcastic here but am just trying to make a point). Whichever way you look at it, the whole situation is just horrible. Whatever happened to little William that day has severely impacted, even destroyed, many people lives and will continue to do so. I agree with a recent news headline that he was "doomed from the start". As it appears now, so was LT. IMOO, none of the major players here, that have resulted in this tragic situation, are blameless.:(
 
I can't shake the feeling now that (pure speculation, IMO) the person or people responsible for disposing of William (regardless of how he has potentially died) wanted/hoped/expected his body to be found in those early days after he was reported missing - 'placing' instead of burying as stated in the article suggests to me that it was either a decision based on perceived availability of time/level of risk, or with clear intentions of searchers locating him in the context of expressed fears he had been abducted.

And maybe having to maintain a charade for an extended period of time was not expected or planned. It feels different to those cases where someone goes out of their way to hide a body and hope it will never be discovered. IMO
 
But wouldnt that make it really easy to hand him back?

They knew the bio's wanted him. It was always going to be hard to get the adoption done.

If the fm didnt really bond or want him I dont think she would have been so invested in keeping him.

moo

The FF appears invested from what I have heard and seen. IMO.
 
Yes. And maybe that’s exactly what they are trying to do. If the POI is the FM, she has a psychopathy that has enabled her to do something terrible, to keep it to herself for so long and to avoid suspicion from very experienced police officers.

Perhaps NSWPOL is being guided by forensic psychologists.

Just speculation in my part.

To further speculate, and i admit I'm not a psychologist or body language expert, but i just watched the 60 minutes interview.

They show the mouth clearly when she speaks and it shows us alot about her actually.

For eg. She is telling this story of returning home without William, a deeply moving, personal story of cuddling up on his bed with his favourite toy; there are tears and shudders, there is anguish. It's a bit dramatic for me, but the interviewer is moved.

As soon as the interviewer becomes upset, her crying ceased. At 19.12 you can see the micro expression of triumph. (Got you).

I think we've all been had.
 
I’ve just gone back and rewatched the 60 Minutes interview the FP’s did with Michael Usher, they even had him in tears.

Even watching it again, through more cynical eyes, she is still very convincing, and I really think when this interview took place FD believed William was addicted.
I’d love others to rewatch and see if they have picked up different vibes.
 
No. They're no longer foster carers, have an AVO against them, but more importantly she's a POI. Maybe this will change on Tuesday. I don't believe money or position would come into play in such a huge case.
Not now, but I do believe that her position in society and her assertiveness as we have witnessed in her interviews did come into play in the early days.
 
I haven't heard much on the body moving theory would love to hear more info

But is it possible the body has been moved a few times so the other people involved don't know where it now is, just say FMG, FM and FF all know about the first spot, then only two know about the next spot then just say only one know about the last spot, I highly suspect if the body was at the FGM or was there the FF and FM defence would be the house was vacant and the local paedophile who abducted him maby hav brought him back at some point to frame the FF

If they find something on the drive the FM did her defence could be the abductor may hav taken the same route

I don't think a body, an item or a old spot the body may hav been could get the FF convicted the best lawyers in town could defend

And DNA in the FGM car could be defend as transfer from WT to FM to car, I wonder if carpet in the boot was replaced before the car changed hands

I just don't see after all this time anything can be proof as the FF DNA would of been on WT and it can be argued that anyone could of moved bodys around when the Kendall property was vacant

I think only proof of a fresh deceased WT in FGM car i wonder how soon the car changed hands and if they can argue that its possible the abductor could of gained access to the car at some stage

Let's just say he fell from the balcony died they could argue that after he fell the paedophile watching in the cars could of abducted a dead WT from the bottom of the balcony before the FF could find WT

I wonder if the new spy laws hav given the police the ability to watch thies people through the phone or computer with out them knowing because previously a warrant would be needed and of you hav connections in the court system you could be tipped off about it, and possibly the new spy laws passed in August is what the new information they hav obtained on this family for them to speak up in September saying its fake news about a new suspect
 
Totally agree. This family has been to hell and back (or maybe not back). The foster placing of William seems to me to be suspect. It is almost like the FPs had ordered a child and was given one. I hope the inquest looks into that aspect.
Oh that's a ridiculous assertion. Children are not removed on an arbitrary basis. It's a long, well considered process.
I don't understand the sympathy for the bio parents, when two generations of WT's family were deemed unfit. And for the earlier commenter that suggested wine consumption in the day is preferable to beer? I'm incredulous.
Having worked closely with child protection for a long time, I know the system isn't perfect, but to suggest one can 'order a child' is offensive.
Totally agree. This family has been to hell and back (or maybe not back). The foster placing of William seems to me to be suspect. It is almost like the FPs had ordered a child and was given one. I hope the inquest looks into that aspect.
 
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