Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[C.greek]

Great, too many maybes. And CB corresponding with MWT.... no ironclad alibi- MWT spoke to the husband of the then 18-year old girl and not to her... what does this tell us? Key witness?
But she doesn't know for sure. She doesn't remember the exact details. And also since it was a fling (and most probably stoned) she wouldn't be able to judge how CB behaved.
Jmo

 

[C.greek]

CB had been writing to a couple of researchers on twitter. I don't know if he was also corresponding with MWT or the researchers passed copies of the letter(s) onto him. Whatever happened, FF must be absolutely thrilled with his client's actions.

interesting... what is his twitter name/alias? are we allowed to link to it, since he has been named as a prime suspect?

 

[misty48]

Re. Episode 2 - the 680 number.
I think CB may have shot himself in the foot. He clearly doesn't have any knowledge regarding how phone pings work. No wonder HCW considers he now has enough evidence to charge.

 

[C.greek]

Re. Episode 2 - the 680 number.
I think CB may have shot himself in the foot. He clearly doesn't have any knowledge regarding how phone pings work. No wonder HCW considers he now has enough evidence to charge.

can you be more explicit?
"But then Mark reveals worrying weaknesses in the phone evidence linking Christian B to Madeleine’s disappearance; the crucial 680 number may have been 35 kilometres away and that this number may not have belonged to Christian B, but a German friend of his."

Is it MWT who doesn't know how phone ping works?

 

[misty48]

interesting... what is his twitter name/alias? are we allowed to link to it, since he has been named as a prime suspect?

The correspondence was done in real life via letter(s) directly to & from CB's prison cell. The researchers just happen to post on twitter.

 

[Dlk79]

CB had been writing to a couple of researchers on twitter. I don't know if he was also corresponding with MWT or the researchers passed copies of the letter(s) onto him. Whatever happened, FF must be absolutely thrilled with his client's actions.

I can't imagine that FF didn't know about and sanction it though.

 

[Dlk79]

Well, the argument that CB/FF "would be crazy" to reveal his alibi before seeing the prosecution's case dossier is now obsolete. So the next question is, why now? Why has it taken 20 months since the appeal went public for him to offer up an alibi? And why do it through someone like MWT who doesn't exactly have the greatest reputation? Maybe that's exactly why they've used MWT though, specifically because of his past work on Pistorius etc.

It feels almost engineered, a way for FF to claim proof that his client was plausibly elsewhere to put the onus on the prosecution to prove this account is untrue. It seems risky that they are putting this out there without knowing whether HCW already has proof to show otherwise. But maybe that's the point, by revealing his "alibi" now, they may feel it gives his story more credibility at trial than doing it after they've seen what evidence exists against him and then tailoring an alibi to suit.

Perhaps, as has been discussed, there was more than one person was involved. And while CB had used the phone number mentioned in the appeal, he knows it was actually in someone else's hands during that half hour call. And therefore, this is the time period his "alibi" relates to because he knows he was actually somewhere else at that time. Maybe on the other end of the call even.

Either way, this alibi sounds anything but rock solid.

 

[RichardKimble]

Re. Episode 2 - the 680 number.
I think CB may have shot himself in the foot. He clearly doesn't have any knowledge regarding how phone pings work. No wonder HCW considers he now has enough evidence to charge.

Why ? its 5 miles give or take, when I first had a mobile the nearest mast to here was about that distance, no one could pinpoint the exact location if the coverage is in a circle away from the mast.

 

[RichardKimble]

Well, the argument that CB/FF "would be crazy" to reveal his alibi before seeing the prosecution's case dossier is now obsolete. So the next question is, why now? Why has it taken 20 months since the appeal went public for him to offer up an alibi? And why do it through someone like MWT who doesn't exactly have the greatest reputation? Maybe that's exactly why they've used MWT though, specifically because of his past work on Pistorius etc.

It feels almost engineered, a way for FF to claim proof that his client was plausibly elsewhere to put the onus on the prosecution to prove this account is untrue. It seems risky that they are putting this out there without knowing whether HCW already has proof to show otherwise. But maybe that's the point, by revealing his "alibi" now, they may feel it gives his story more credibility at trial than doing it after they've seen what evidence exists against him and then tailoring an alibi to suit.

Perhaps, as has been discussed, there was more than one person was involved. And while CB had used the phone number mentioned in the appeal, he knows it was actually in someone else's hands during that half hour call. And therefore, this is the time period his "alibi" relates to because he knows he was actually somewhere else at that time. Maybe on the other end of the call even.

The trial is done through the press at the moment, is this the way to properly conduct a murder investigation ?

 

[C.greek]

The trial is done through the press at the moment, is this the way to properly conduct a murder investigation ?

of course not - but this is not the first time this happens! but it gives us food for thought and things to discuss ;-)

 

[RichardKimble]

of course not - but this is not the first time this happens! but it gives us food for thought and things to discuss ;-)

In the Claudia Lawrence case many men have been arrested under suspicion of murder and subsequently released with out any kind of fanfare to say they were prime suspects, something doesn't add up here, SY are strangely quiet and if press reports at Christmas are true then they are not on the same page as the BKA.

 

[RichardKimble]

Either way, this alibi sounds anything but rock solid.

Snipped: it could provide reasonable doubt though .

 

[misty48]

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can you be more explicit?
"But then Mark reveals worrying weaknesses in the phone evidence linking Christian B to Madeleine’s disappearance; the crucial 680 number may have been 35 kilometres away and that this number may not have belonged to Christian B, but a German friend of his."

Is it MWT who doesn't know how phone ping works?

80 number may have been 35 kilometres away and that this number may not have belonged to Christian B, but a German friend of his."

Is it MWT who doesn't know how phone ping works?[/QUOTE]
FF must have been using data from the -680 phone records to track CB's movements, unless CB had offered up details of another mobile phone/number held at the time.
How did all the uploaded pics taken on the -680 handset camera find their way to the grounds of CB's box factory in Germany?

 

[Dlk79]

something doesn't add up here, SY are strangely quiet and if press reports at Christmas are true then they are not on the same page as the BKA.

Don't read too much into any carefully worded statement that is no different to the stance SY have maintained throughout. What they believe and what they say are two different things. It's a very political and sensitive topic so I wouldn't expect anything other than a cautious and open stance from them, given they don't have access to all the evidence.

Snipped: it could provide reasonable doubt though .

I think that is exactly FF's aim, to promote doubt.

 

[RichardKimble]

FF must have been using data from the -680 phone records to track CB's movements, unless CB had offered up details of another mobile phone/number held at the time.
How did all the uploaded pics taken on the -680 handset camera find their way to the grounds of CB's box factory in Germany?

Wheres the info that the pictures taken on -680 camera were in CB's factory please. Also was CB charged in connection to said images if they were illegal ?

 

[RichardKimble]

Don't read too much into any carefully worded statement that is no different to the stance SY have maintained throughout. What they believe and what they say are two different things. It's a very political and sensitive topic so I wouldn't expect anything other than a cautious and open stance from them, given they don't have access to all the evidence.

I think that is exactly FF's aim, to promote doubt.

Is this said girl/woman residing in Germany, easy for the BKA to check it out, but Wolters said he wasn't aware of any alibi.

 

[C.greek]

Wheres the info that the pictures taken on -680 camera were in CB's factory please. Also was CB charged in connection to said images if they were illegal ?

first, how can they be NOT illegal?
second, the investigation is not finished -
third, he was convicted in 2016 over images of children (I don't want to write more) and the sexual abuse of his girlfriend's daughter

 

[Dlk79]

Is this said girl/woman residing in Germany, easy for the BKA to check it out, but Wolters said he wasn't aware of any alibi.

From the accounts it sounds like the woman can't say for sure if CB was with her on the 3rd though. So even knowing this information, as far as BKA is concerned, there is still no verifiable alibi? Is it any more convincing in a Judge's eyes than CB saying he was sat in his campervan alone that night?

Besides CB is being accused of Murder, not abduction. So the timeframe of the phone call or when MM disappeared is not necessarily the critical factor here. Especially if it's considered that other people were involved. When was MM actually killed? In the omny.fm podcast HCW said they had evidence that CB killed MM but could not pinpoint "on which day exactly". So what time frame does CB need an alibi for?

FF and CB could be shooting themselves in the foot here.

 

[C.greek]

From the accounts it sounds like the woman can't say for sure if CB was with her on the 3rd though. So even knowing this information, as far BKA is concerned, there is still no verifiable alibi? Is it any more convincing in a Judge's eyes than CB saying he was sat in his campervan alone that night?

Besides CB is being accused of Murder, not abduction. So the timeframe of the phone call or when MM disappeared is not necessarily the critical factor here. Especially if it's considered that other people were involved. When was MM actually killed? In the omny.fm podcast HCW said they had evidence that CB killed MM but could not pinpoint "on which day exactly". So what time frame does CB need an alibi for?

FF and CB could be shooting themselves in the foot here.

I agree overall - but then this issue with the phone call and the number contradicts a bit BKA's hunt for the 680 phone. Why would they be so interested in that if they weren't going for the abduction charge as well?

 

[Dlk79]

I agree overall - but then this issue with the phone call and the number contradicts a bit BKA's hunt for the 680 phone. Why would they be so interested in that if they weren't going for the abduction charge as well?

We haven't seen what MWT has got yet in terms of evidence around this number so we shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.

I still think that CB must have given an account of his whereabouts when he was questioned in 2013. And it was possibly this account we are hearing about now. In which case, putting the phone in his hands could be critical to showing that the alibi he gave was false, which is what BKA were hoping for.

All the BKA evidence seems to be based on what happened afterwards, they may genuinely be unsure whether it was CB or another person who took MM from 5A. But if they could prove he was there, it goes a long way to backing up the murder part.