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I’ve made a lot of 911 calls, and I wouldn’t dream of saying ‘a dead body,’ and possibly depriving someone of desperately needed medical care. I strongly doubt that anyone at the scene, when the call was made, had sufficient medical qualifications to pronounce someone dead.
Absolutely agree. I made too many 911 calls (was a caregiver) and the 911 operator directs the call. Questions like:

What is your emergency?

Is he or she conscious?

Is he or she breathing?

Do you know CPR?


Honestly, it's all bad memories and drives home the point, again, how horrible this crime is. Whoever made that call, my heart aches for them.
 
Does LE ever say publicly...."YES, we have a suspect", or say we have a POI BEFORE an arrest is made?

If they have...I don't remember.
I believe LE have done this in the past, however lately they've adopted a more closed mouth stance .
Maybe due to the suspect or poi deciding to clam up and get a lawyer ?
Anyone else care to chime in ?
Imo.
 
MOO The killer was already in the house when Ethan and Xana arrived home from the party. Utilizing the element of surprise, the killer stabbed them both in their bed. Close to this time the two women arrived home and saw something amiss. Something made Kaylee want to be in touch with her ex, perhaps worry about him if she suspected that he was taking the recent breakup hard. Perhaps inquiring about the whereabouts of their shared dog. The killer waited until the girls were asleep, came in and stabbed them again capitalizing on the element of surprise again.
 
Given the speed of this thread, I fear this has already been fully discussed…. but… strange that one person could be stabbed in her bed without sufficient noise & disturbance to wake up someone else in the same room … so two victims in separate beds in the same room is odd…

is it possible that these victims had been “roofied” or otherwise drugged during their night out or after, & that’s why they were so unresponsive?
JMO
I don't think any of them had separate beds in the same room. Unless I missed something. Imo.
 
If E’s brothers were indeed the friends they called over, and E (&/or X) were the roommates they were worried about, it would make sense to me they called them instead of going to wake up the other girls.
There’s an ABC News article in which they interview E’s mom. She says the person who called 911 was a friend of E’s. (not one of the triplets.)
 
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Sorry if this has been discussed. I'm just thinking out loud and won't say I'm near caught up. This is a real-life tragedy and the poor loved ones and I do not mean to sound insensitive, accusatory, or callous in any way, I'm just a little disappointed that I feel like I am thinking a lot about the interview from the parents. Partly, because we don't have a lot of direct information to think about.

But in it they talk about their daughter potentially buying her first vehicle on her own (was it confirmed that was the Range Rover?), potentially coming to school to show it off for that weekend, potentially initiating the break from a long-term relationship, potentially going backpacking through Europe for the month of January (doesn't say with whom), potentially moving to start a new lucrative job in Feb at the same company she interned at, and potentially talking to the ex the whole week and a half she was home and one of the last messages appealed to co-parenting the dog as a reason to come over. They certainly say more than that, to be clear, if you haven't listened to it.

In my opinion, these details could be just terrible and awful coincidences. Assuming it is accurate information. And certainly it's important to remember this is just one side of the story. The way they seem to talk so clearly is gut-wrenching for me as it almost seems like they may not have processed everything fully and honestly could they have. I will not pretend to understand a situation like this for loved ones or how they manage emotions and perspectives afterwards. To be sure, I am not suggesting blame or recklessly insinuating any accusations of anything at anyone. I feel that anything is possible here and I'm waiting for justice to be served every hour that passes. MOO.
 
NY Post photo of house

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Shows good detail of rear access
I wonder if police put that ladder there, or if that ladder always lives there. If you were to go up that ladder onto that ledge, that ledge leads right to a window with access into E & X’s room.
 
I don't disagree, but if law enforcement thought that was the case, wouldn't they ask for video footage from before the time of the murders? I.e. earlier in the night?
Do we know if their house was equipped with security cameras ?
 
Have they released the 911 recording and will they? That should have lot's of information about what was going on.
What about the police body cams? Will they release, show them? Something I don't want to see.
 
TIMELINE UPDATED in the media thread!
Please @ me with the source link if I've missed anything important!

***UPDATED NOV 21, NEW INFO IN RED***

VICTIMS:
EC = Ethan Chapin [IG / FB], a 20-year-old from Conway, Washington [1]; freshman, member of Sigma Chi fraternity majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management in the College of Education, Health and Human Sciences. [7]; school indicates hometown was Mount Vernon, WA [9]; one of triplets that all attended UofI[36]; staying overnight with his girlfriend XK [39][59] ("lived with" XK according to XK's family [56])
FAMILY INTERVIEW: NOV 15

XK = Xana Kernodle [IG / TikTok / FB], 20, from Avondale, Arizona [1]; junior from Post Falls majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; dating EC, worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]

MM = Madison Mogen [IG / TikTok / FB], a 21-year-old from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]; planned to move to Boise after graduation in spring [53]
FAMILY has asked Goncalves family to speak on their behalf [63@2:45]

KG = Kaylee Goncalves [IG / TikTok / FB], 21, from Rathdrum, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in general studies in the College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences, member of the Alpha Phi sorority [7]; middle of five children, owner of a dog named Murphy [31], was going to start a new tech job in TX in Jan
(Feb [63])[36]; had recently purchased a 2016 Range Rover; planned to travel to Europe next year (in January [63])[53]
FAMILY INTERVIEWS: NOV 15 | NOV 16 | NOV 19 | NOV 20 (transcribed by @Allabouttrial HERE)

SURVIVING ROOMMATES: BF & DM


ZILLOW DESCRIPTION/PICS OF RESIDENCE

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TIMELINE

~LATE 2021 ("about a year, give or take")

EC and XK begin relationship [56]

AUG 16
MM posts a "meet the roommates" image on IG [12]

AUG 22
MM posts a "first day of school" image on IG [11]

SEP 12
POSSIBLY UNRELATED: man threatened students on UofI campus with a knife [35]; students were walking to Greek Row, non-student flashed a knife to threaten students, turned self into law enforcement; cannot say whether it is connected [47]

~SEP
KG supposedly complained to a friend about a stalker [62]


OCT 21
POSSIBLY UNREALTED: Moscow resident's mini Australian shepherd discovered killed and skinned shortly after 2AM; skinned rabbit had been found days prior [64]

OCT 29
XK's final IG post, wishing EC a happy birthday [13]

~EARLY NOV ("about a week and a half)
  • KG had been home with family [63@4:15]
F NOV 11
  • MM's final IG post [10]
  • KG returns to campus for the weekend to show off her new vehicle [63@4:45]
  • KG's final texts with her sister [31]
Sa NOV 12
  • ~3PM - KG's final phone call with mother - intended to return home on Tuesday [63@5:30]
  • KG's final IG post w roommates [15]
  • EC attends a dance at his sister's sorority as her date; his other triplet brother went with his sister's roommate [53]
  • PM - neighbors hear loud music from somewhere "in the neighborhood"; did NOT hear screaming or gunshots [33]
  • PM - neighbors report "hearing noise from the house Saturday evening but said it sounded like a party rather than an altercation." [40]; Rumor debunked: Moscow PD states there is no indication of party at the residence [47]
  • 8PM-9PM - EC & XK attend party at Sigma Chi house (735 Nez Perce Dr [59])[58]
  • 10PM - 1:30AM - MM & KG at The Corner Club bar downtown [58]; took an Uber to get there [43@0:45]
  • ~12PM - XK last contact with family [56]

Su NOV 13 - DEATH OF VICTIMS, BODIES DISCOVERED
day 1 of investigation at residence

  • 1AM - surviving roommates BF & DM each arrive home from separate locations [58]
  • 1:33AM - 1:53AM [41] - MM & KG seen on Twitch video from Grub Truck food truck [38] located at 318 S. Main Street [58], where they order pasta; manager states they were "slightly intoxicated" [41] - VIDEO from Gray Hughes Investigates
  • ~1:45AM - EC & XK arrived home from Sigma Chi party [47]
  • after 1:45AM (1:59AM, according to KG's family [63@1:23]) - MM & KG arrived home from a bar [47]; MM & KG took Uber (or "private party" [58]) home, let dog out, locked house up [43@0:45]
  • ISP stated (cf Nov 17) that they believe suspect came in through sliding glass door [55]
  • 2:26AM-2:44AM - KG phones "Jack" six times [58] (family clarifies that "Jack" is KG's exbf, KG had wanted Jack to come over, family does not believe he is involved, that they were going to get back together [63@7:30])
  • 2:44AM-252AM - MM phones KG's "Jack" three times [58]
  • 2:52AM - KG phones "Jack" a final time [58]
  • 2AM-5AM - updated estimated TIME OF DEATH [58] (3AM-4AM - estimated time of death [9])
  • EC's mother states that "roommates heard something" but did not get into details [58]
  • [TIME?] - BODIES DISCOVERED - a surviving roommate summoned friends to residence bc they "believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up" [61]; according to EC's mother, bodies were found by "a friend" [32] who does not live in the house [39]
  • 11:58AM [20] - 911 CALL - LE respond to "a report of an unconscious person" (later verified to be one of the deceased [30]); multiple people spoke with dispatch before LE arrival [61]
  • [TIME?] - FIRST RESPONDERS ARRIVE - First responders "discovered four individuals who were deceased" [20] - EC was found on floor of second level [36]; two victims found on 2nd floor; two on 3rd floor [60@5:29]; officers describe a bloody crime scene, "especially on upper floors of the house" [37]; fire and EMS were also on scene but did not go into residence or transport anyone out[1]
  • ~12PM - coroner informed of 4 homicides [45@0:15]
  • 2:16 PM - UofI FB post advises students to shelter in place due to investigation of homicide on King St [3]
  • 2:51 PM - UofI FB post lifts shelter-in-place, states that LE are still investigating death of 4 people but do not believe there is an active threat [4]
  • ~5PM - 5:30PM - coroner arrives on scene [45@0:30]
  • 5:25PM - UofI FB post states that LE is still investigating, but there is no ongoing threat [5]
  • 9:17 PM - University president posts on FB about deaths, cancels class for M Nov 14, offers counseling resources [6]
  • PM - neighbors state they saw police, "group of women crying while draped in emergency blankets" [33]

M NOV 14 - DECLARED A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION
day 2 of investigation at residence

  • online and in-person classes at University canceled [1]

  • [TIME?] LE questioned manager of Moscow Building Supply about whether they carry KA-BAR knives, which they do not [44]
  • 12:50 PM - MSM reports that 4 students found dead near campus [1]
  • 12:21 PM - UofI FB posts identities of victims [7], states "Moscow police do not believe there is an ongoing community risk based on information gathered during the preliminary investigation" [8]
  • 1:31 PM - search dogs at scene [29]
  • 1:49 PM - MSM reports that it is being treated as homicide investigation [2]
  • PM - Rumor debunked: LE verifies that none of the deceased students are believed to be responsible for the deaths. [9], Rumor debunked: county coroner verifies it was NOT a murder-suicide [17]
  • 5:56PM - Mayor refuses to confirm NYT's "crime of passion" description [21], states it is one possibility [32]
  • PM - media tries to canvas neighbors, who decline to make a comment, "most" stating that they didn't really know the victims; state that police had previously canvassed neighborhood as well [32]

Tu NOV 15 - PRELIMINARY CAUSE OF DEATH RELEASED: STABBING
day 3 of investigation at residence

  • Moscow PD release statement - "Evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack." [16]
  • Some students, feeling unsafe, leave early for Thanksgiving break [18]
  • Coroner calls the scene "gruesome" [34] (comment possibly taken out of context[see 45@3:45]); does not believe toxicology report will be relevant [45@3:00]; did not know timeframe of death [45@3:00]; declines to comment on where bodies were found [45@4:20]
  • DailyMail (TABLOID) posts image they claim is blood "oozing" out of residence; state that scene was "the worst [police] had ever seen; "there was blood everywhere;" "have never seen anything like this"; trash taken to garbage depot [36]
  • KG's family interview states that door had a keypad code [42@1:45]

  • 8:36AM - vigil postponed until after Thanksgiving [28] - cf W Nov 16
  • 11:24AM - LE press release states they are still searching for "an edged weapon such as a knife" that was used in attack [27]
  • 2:07PM - LE stop garbage truck from leaving residence, as they have not recovered weapon [26]
  • 2:40PM - bodies in Spokane County, autopsies to take place on Wed; preliminary findings show stabbing as cause of death; "a lot of blood;" [25] Rumor debunked: no indication of substance use [25]
  • 4:25PM - confirmed that FBI is working with local LE [19]
  • 6:36PM - county prosecutor states there is a sealed warrant issued at residence; "a handful of other warrants" in the works [24]
  • 7:11PM - Families of MM & KG release statement calling for justice [23]

W NOV 16 - PRESS CONFERENCE
day 4 of investigation at residence

  • AM - Video shared online of MM & KG at Grub Truck food truck [38] - cf Su NOV 13
  • Parents speak out against LE & school for "lack of information [40]
  • Manager of Moscow Building Supply states that LE questioned them "more than once" about whether they carry KA-BAR knives, including on M Nov 14; he states they do not [44] - cf M NOV 14

  • 3:30PM - news conference planned by ISP & Moscow PD [22] - transcribed by @Allabouttrial HERE
    • Moscow PD chief speaks
      • victims arrived home after 1:45 AM from party (EC & XK) and bar (MM & KG) [47] - cf Su Nov 13
      • no sign of forced entry - no damage to anything; door was open when LE arrived [47]
      • autopsies taking place today [47]
      • reviewing crime scene evidence, video, etc [47]
      • do not have a suspect, weapon, or clothing of suspect at this time - cannot say there is no threat to community [47]
      • Rumor debunked: no indication of party at the residence [47] - cf Sa Nov 12
      • there were ("we believe 2") other people (roommates) home at the time of the attack; was not a hostage situation and were not injured; they were present at residence when LE arrived; declines to comment on what they have stated [47]
      • declines to comment on who the 911 caller was [47]
      • has not identified anything missing/stolen from the residence [47]
      • declines to comment on location of bodies within the residence [47]
      • Sep 12 incident - students were walking to Greek Row, non-student flashed a knife to threaten students, turned self into law enforcement; cannot say whether it is connected [47] - cf Sep 12
  • 5PM - vigil held in Coeur d' Alene, ID [46]
  • 5PM - vigil planned on University's Administration Lawn [9] - vigil postponed as of T NOV 15 [28] rescheduled to NOV 30 [34]

TH NOV 17 - AUTOPSY PERFORMED & CAUSE AND MANNER OF DEATH CONFIRMED
day 5 of investigation at residence

  • Rumor debunked: KTVB reporter verifies that there have been no record of KG calling police between Jan1-Nov13 [48]
  • ISP patrolling near Moscow schools Th & Fri; "no need to be alarmed" [49]
  • increased LE activity noted at residence; increased number of tips coming in [50]; LE confirms they are canvassing area for fixed-blade weapon purchases [48]
  • phones of victims still being held as evidence [53]
  • KG's dog Murphy has been returned to secondary owner [54]
  • ISP stated that they believe suspect came in through sliding glass door [55] - cf Su Nov 13
  • [TIME?] autopsies completed and bodies released to victims' families [51]
  • PM - coroner's report released confirming official cause of death: homicide-murder / manner of death: stabbing with "large knife"; DNA samples (including those on "bedding") still being tested; some wounds may have been defensive [52] - cf [56 & 57]
  • PM - family states XK had "bruises, torn by the knife" that would indicate that she fought back [56] - cf [52 & 57]
  • PM - other source cites same coroner stating that "They have not yet determined whether there were defensive wounds"; each victim stabbed multiple times; no indication of sexual assault [57] - cf [52 & 56]

F NOV 18
  • Moscow PD press release
    • states that four victims were "likely asleep" at time of attack; some had defensive wounds [59]
    • Rumor debunked: LE do not believe man at Grub Hub truck is involved [59]
    • Rumor debunked: LE do not believe surviving roommates are involved [59]
    • Rumor debunked: victims were not tied or gagged [59]
    • no suspects in custody, no weapon found [59]

Sa NOV 19

Su NOV 20

  • 3PM - Moscow PD press conference - transcribed by @Allabouttrial HERE
    • received 646 tips, done over 90 interviews [60@1:40]
    • 911 call originated within residence from a surviving roommate's phone [60@5:19]
    • two victims found on 2nd floor; two on 3rd floor [60@5:29]
    • Rumor debunked: LE do not believe the "private party" who drove MM & KG home is involved [60@7:20]
    • Rumor debunked: LE do not believe the 911 caller is involved [60@19:07]
    • LE seized contents of three dumpsters on King St but did not find anything of note [60@8:15]
    • LE verifies that 911 caller was one of roommates' "other friends that had arrived at the location; not sure how many of these other friends were there [60@21:00]
    • no suspects in custody, no weapon found [60@8:40]
  • 8PM - Moscow police release social media update stating on S Nov 13, a surviving roommate summoned friends to residence bc they "believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up" [61] - cf S NOV 13
  • KG's family states in interview that "this person was sloppy... he made a mess" [63@1:15]
  • KG & MM's families met together [63@6:30]
  • DailyMail (TABLOID) reports on attack on dog Oct 21 near university campus [64] - cf Oct 21

SOURCES:
[1] 4 University of Idaho students found dead near campus - 6ABC - Nov 14
[2] Four university students found dead near campus - MirrorUK - Nov 14
[3] UofI FB - Nov 13
[4] UofI FB - Nov 13
[5] UofI FB - Nov 13
[6] UofI FB - Nov 13
[7] UofI FB - Nov 14
[8] UofI FB - Nov 14
[9] 4 Slain University of Idaho students are victims - ElkoDaily - Nov 14
[10] MM Instagram - Nov 11
[11] MM Instagram - Aug 22
[12] MM Instagram - Aug 16
[13] XK Instagram - Oct 29
[14] EC Instagram - May 13
[15] KG Instagram - Nov 12
[16] Moscow PD - Nov 15
[17] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 14
[18] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[19] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 15
[20] Four university of Idaho Students discovered dead - Law&Crime - Nov 15
[21] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 14
[22] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 16
[23] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[24] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[25] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[26] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[27] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[28] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[29] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 14
[30] @dugganreports (KTVB) tweet - Nov 15
[31] Family of alleged Moscow homicide victim remembers - Nov 14
[32] Suspect sought in U of I deaths - Idaho Statesman - Nov 15
[33] Four U of I students died in senseless act of violence - LM Tribute - Nov 14
[34] Homicide investigation underway - KHQ - Nov 15
[35] Man reportedly threatened students with knife - ISJ - Sep 15
[36] Blood oozes through walls of home - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 15
[37] University of Idaho homicide victims - FoxNews - Nov 15
[38] @johnwebbtv (KHQ-TV) - Nov 16
[39] 4 Idaho students killed in 'targeted attack' - ABCNews - Nov 16
[40] Slain university of Idaho victims' parents frustrated - ABCNews - Nov 16
[41] Chilling video shows 2 of the 4 - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 16
[42] Extended interview with the family of Kaylee Goncalves VIDEO - KHQ - Nov 15
[43] Idaho College Students murdered in 'Crime of Passion' VIDEO - Inside Edition - Nov 16
[44] Police investigation narrows to search for combat-style knife - Idaho Statesman - Nov 16
[45] Latah County Coroner says all four students killed near University of Idaho were victims - KREM - Nov 15
[46] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 16
[47] Moscow Police Dept Press Conference - Nov 16
[48] @dugganreports (KTVB) tweet THREAD - Nov 17
[49] @AbbyDavisKTVB tweet - Nov 17
[50] @esterbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 17
[51] Mystery surrounds stabbing deaths - WTOP - Nov 17
[52] Autopsies confirm cause of death for UofI students - DNews.com - Nov 17
[53] Slain Idaho students leave behind bright memories... - AP News - Nov 17
[54] @KREMAmandaRoley tweet - Nov 17
[55] @KREMAmandaRoley tweet - Nov 17
[56] She's a tough kid... - AZFamily - Nov 17
[57] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 17
[58] A timeline of events - Idaho Statesman - Nov 20
[59] Moscow PD FB - Nov 18
[60] Moscow PD press conference - YouTube VIDEO - Nov 20
[61] Moscow PD FB - Nov 20
[62] Victim reportedly spoke of stalker - Inside Edition - Nov 18
[63] Family of Moscow homicide victim continues to speak out VIDEO - KHQ - Nov 19
[64] Woman who lives near scene of Idaho murders... - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 20


SPECULATION/MOOs

I think that the "locked door theory" posed by Websleuthers makes a TON of sense and explains some of the things I was struggling to understand. If EC & XK's door was still locked, no one was answering it, and they weren't answering their phones (which maybe the others in the house could even hear), I could see the roommates panicking and calling friends first to come help figure out what's going on, and then someone finally saying, 'we'd better call 911.'

LE should definitely be looking into the connection with Buddy the Australian Shepherd. From the articles, it sounds like Buddy's owners lived in a more rural area, west of campus, and that Buddy was killed around the same time of night/early morning as the students' homicide. With the rabbit and Buddy's attack both taking place in that same area, I'd definitely be taking a very close look at people who lived near Buddy's family, especially those that generally work a second- or third-shift schedule that would allow them to be regularly awake and out and about at those hours -or- people from that area that work on or near campus.

I'd speculated that LE might have had an [unannounced, unpublicized] early POI that they were looking at but who, within the first day or so was eliminated (LINK TO MY POST ON THAT), thus explaining the early comments on it being "targeted," it being a "crime of passion," and the person not being a threat to others, and after listening to KG's family's latest interview and how vehement they were about defending him, I think her exbf may have been that early POI. LE would have been able to see those last calls and texts from both KG's and MM's phones (ASKING him to come over!) and assumed the ex did it, especially if the evidence pointed to KG being the target of the attack. But if the ex alibied out, they'd have to walk all that back and take a wider look.
 
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MOO The killer was already in the house when Ethan and Xana arrived home from the party. Utilizing the element of surprise, the killer stabbed them both in their bed. Close to this time the two women arrived home and saw something amiss. Something made Kaylee want to be in touch with her ex, perhaps worry about him if she suspected that he was taking the recent breakup hard. Perhaps inquiring about the whereabouts of their shared dog. The killer waited until the girls were asleep, came in and stabbed them again capitalizing on the element of surprise again.
I tend to agree with this, as it explains how 4 could have been executed without someone calling 911. I don't think that someone happened by at 3:00AM, someone was a target.
 
My thoughts so far today…

Am I the only one here to think that receiving 9 calls from an ex and friend in a 20 minute span late late at night might just be harassment ? I mean obviously the person called was unavailable or didn’t want to speak to the callers(s). Just sayin.

Family members have said that that was her phoning style. If by any remote chance, she and her friend were lightly under the influence of anything, (as they’d have a right to be, of course,) I’d think that it might have seemed like an innocent joke to them.
 
My opinion only - there’s nothing weird about the roommates all going to separate places that night. I had multiple roommates in college - sometimes we went out together and sometimes we went out with different friends. Even though we were best friends, we weren’t together 24/7.

There’s nothing nefarious about the roommate pictures. The two new roommates have been cleared and are not to be sleuthed, so can we please stop judging them for not having smiles as big and inviting as the others? I’m tired of reading over and over that they don’t look as “happy”. It is irrelevant.
I completely agree with this, and also to me the other roommates look just as happy as the other girls and feature in other SM posts with them going back quite a bit further than August when they seemed to move in together, so I think they were friends before roommates, not people who'd all just met.

Also on the Friday night they all went to a formal together, as posted on Kaylee and Maddie's SM, so them not all going out together the next night doesn't at all make it seem to me like they weren't close. These girls are going through unthinkable things, I feel awful for them that people are pointing so many fingers and interpreting so many little details in negative ways.
 
Question: LE has not publicly asked the community to preserve exterior security video, correct?
 
TIMELINE UPDATED in the media thread!
Please @ me with the source link if I've missed anything important!




SPECULATION/MOOs

I think that the "locked door theory" posed by Websleuthers makes a TON of sense and explains some of the things I was struggling to understand. If EC & XK's door was still locked, no one was answering it, and they weren't answering their phones (which maybe the others in the house could even hear), I could see the roommates panicking and calling friends first to come help figure out what's going on, and then someone finally saying, 'we'd better call 911.'

LE should definitely be looking into the connection with Buddy the Australian Shepherd. From the articles, it sounds like Buddy's owners lived in a more rural area, west of campus, and that Buddy was killed around the same time of night/early morning as the students' homicide. With the rabbit and Buddy's attack both taking place in that same area, I'd definitely be taking a very close look at people who lived near Buddy's family, especially those that generally work a second- or third-shift schedule that would allow them to be regularly awake and out and about at those hours -or- people from that area that work on or near campus.

I'd speculated that LE might have had an [unannounced, unpublicized] early POI that they were looking at but who, within the first day or so was eliminated (LINK TO MY POST ON THAT), thus explaining the early comments on it being "targeted," it being a "crime of passion," and the person not being a threat to others, and after listening to KG's family's latest interview and how vehement they were about defending him, I think her exbf may have been that early POI. LE would have been able to see those last calls from both KG's and MM's phones and assumed the ex did it, especially if the evidence pointed to KG being the target of the attack. But if the ex alibied out, they'd have to walk all that back and take a wider look.

I think that makes a lot of sense
 
Investigators also said a 911 call came from inside the residence and was made on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. They initially told authorities that someone was passed out and wouldn't wake up, officials said.

"Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher
before a Moscow Police officer arrived at the location," officials said. "Officers entered the residence and found the four victims on the second and third floors."
The 'multiple people' could just be the two roommates.

Consider - possible that if they thought the others has passed out from drinking that one of the girls called someone that they thought could break into the room. If they called an advisor or someone else 'official' from the college, perhaps the college has asked police to keep quiet about it.

One more possibility. This has been referred to as a party house. There might easily have been drugs/drug residue in the house, regardless of whether it belonged to the tenants. That could certainly be a reason to call a friend rather than police.
 
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