ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 43

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With the DNA all they had to do was go to "various" genealogical databases online and see if he matched any. Not everyone's DNA is available on these databases, but if someone has had their DNA analyzed for genealogical purposes they can choose to make their DNA available to police (on some sites, NOT ALL).
The match might have been a distant match, but with all the online resources available an experienced genealogist could start making relevant connections fairly quick.
You’re right. But you’re still making it sound pretty straight forward.

If you do not get the direct hit or a sibling or a mother or father. You likely have a lot of grunt work ahead of you. Especially if it’s a shared great great grandfather via a distant cousin that the perp doesn’t even know and has never shared an address with.

From there it’s all good ol fashioned manual investigative work to see who down the family tree likely fits that profile. And even that isn’t just a matter of Googling. You’re looking up public records. Cross referencing. Searching through backgrounds, occupations, criminal history, demographics, addresses etc.

It’s labor intensive and not the magic bullet it’s often cited as.

Everyone thinks you put a DNA chain in and it magically spits out results. Sometimes…yes, but not always.
 
It may just be that the guy had no good options about what to do with the Elantra. JMO.
Different since it was the victim's car.

This is a well-known case where the perp buried the victim's car on his rural property. Probably easier to drive it into water.


Fourteen years after Lisa Marie Kimmell was murdered, the Wyoming DNA database matched an inmate named Dale Wayne Eaton to the crime. When police searched Eaton’s property, they found Lisa’s car buried underground. Lisa had been held there for six days. Eaton was tried for murder and other charges. The jury found him guilty and he was sentenced to death. The sightings of Lisa Marie Kimmell were never explained. Lisa’s parents were awarded Dale Eaton’s property in a civil suit and burned the buildings to the ground.
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Another vehicle buried in very upscale Atherton CA.


Investigators in the bizarre buried Mercedes-Benz case in Atherton have concluded the whole thing was a case of insurance fraud, and lo and behold, the car’s late owner Johnny Bocktune Lew collected a cool $87,000 after reporting the car stolen in 1992.
 
It will be interesting to see the evidence and what it is that led them to this man and when they ‘knew’ it was him.

It is beyond risky to track him across the country, especially if he has another driver with him. How easy would it be to stop briefly in the middle of nowhere and slip out of the car.
LE may have had the car and passengers in their site constantly. Probable several cars jockeying back and forth and as they changed counties or states, LE changed too so that BK did not suspect he was being followed by same vehicles. There may have been helicopters or drones occasionally...all JMO and imagination
 
Not very hopeful the weapon will be recovered when he likely tossed it on his drive to PA.
MOO

I’m not so sure. If he had his father with him it might be a little more difficult.

I think he unloaded it very soon after the murders. It may be closer to the crime scene than we think.

If he didn’t leave for home until mid December I think that knife could be found locally.
 
Make a 37 hour drive (one way) and putting 5k miles on a 7 year old car to take it to your favorite trusted mechanic? The more I try to understand this road trip with Dad, it just makes no sense. I think the parents had an inkling he was in trouble.
JMO…Maybe he seemed more withdrawn when talking with them on the phone. His parents could have been concerned that he was using again. BK could have told his parents that he was not coming home for Christmas, and didn’t like flying. I’m 100% sure that if my mom was concerned for my well-being, she would make my dad come bring me home.
 
It will completely depend on where his DNA was found. If it was found ON one of the victims, such as under her nails, that will be a non-starter.
I agree. The killer may try to instill reasonable doubt to a jury but achieving that will not be easy.
 
I don't believe i said it does. However, OCD is something that has been mentioned by the family. I wonder if flare-ups of physical OCD correlate with mental obsessiveness too. Either way, full-scope studies are is important because, sadly, each case could provide learning experience, help us understand why people kill. No amount of debates about sociopathy vs psychopathy has provided the answer to this simple question, what drives people to sadistic, controlling, homicidal behaviors, and how can we prevent it? Studies, and more studies, are important.
There's no such thing as physical OCD. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an anxiety disorder where a person has intrusive thoughts that interfere with their daily life. Most people will have an intrusive thought once in a while but for people with OCD it is frequent and the person with OCD worries that these thoughts are real and may take steps to try to "prevent" either the thoughts from occurring or the actual events from occurring. Sometimes people develop rituals that they believe "help" them with the thoughts. This is where the WRONG AND DANGEROUS public meme of someone with OCD washing their hands constantly comes in.

For example, a woman with OCD may be walking down the street with her child. She repeatedly has thoughts that her child is going to get hit by a truck. She may stop walking down that street because she becomes very fearful and keeps imagining the truck hitting the child. She doesn't WANT the truck to hit the child, the thoughts just keep coming into her head. It is extremely distressing and hard to treat. The most effective treatments involve just accepting these thoughts and trying to move past them - avoiding the anxiety and obsession over things you can't control.

There's absolutely no indication that BK has been diagnosed with OCD. People with OCD are not more likely to commit crimes. It is frankly insulting to see this repeated over and over without posters understanding the disease they are diagnosing.
 
With the DNA all they had to do was go to "various" genealogical databases online and see if he matched any. Not everyone's DNA is available on these databases, but if someone has had their DNA analyzed for genealogical purposes they can choose to make their DNA available to police (on some sites, NOT ALL).
The match might of been a distant match, but with all the online resources available an experienced genealogist could start making relevant connections fairly quick.
And maybe a relative in the criminal data base?
 
His female friend whom he used to take him riding thru the Poconos said he was on the hunt for heroin. He apparently became a heroin addict who came clean by the time she saw him in 2017. Wonder what year would be between his junior and senior yr of HS?

What I know about addicts is that, typically, the addiction is always present but the user must develop and possess the urge to suppress the desire for using drugs in order to stay clean and sober. A former meth user recently told me that every fiber of her body screams for meth every minute of the day. Addictions are an awful albatross.
Thank You. I believe you, and have seen lots of posters mentioning a drug past, but I haven't come across any news articles of such. Is there a link mentioning his drug past? Can anyone post a link to that? (sorry, threads are going so fast)
 
Well, no. We need to know more about what makes killers kill. So far nothing can explain it. So, he wanted to do science, let other specialists do science now. MRI, EEG, pet scan, FMRI, what changes during OCD flare-ups.
Except "prisoner rights" don't allow us to require any of that - it would be entirely up to him to offer his body up for those tests.
 
Can a knife be tied to a crime like a guns ballistics? Not sure. I guess if it still has the victims blood on it.
Scroll down. Picture of the body with stab wounds.


Highlights​


Stab wounds, less than 0.5 cm in width, were made by a 0.7-cm thick survival knife.

We used pig skin to examine whether this knife could have inflicted these wounds.

Both ends of some wounds appeared sharp, despite being made by a single-edge blade.
 
I'm not so sure. From what I've read, LE had him under surveillance only for a few days. I think he'd already been in PA for a while before LE went looking for him.

"Law enforcement sources told CBS News that forensic analysis allegedly linked Kohberger to the crime scene in Idaho. Those sources told CBS News that FBI agents had conducted surveillance operations on Kohberger in Pennsylvania, tracking his movements on the days before he was taken into custody. Fry said that it was a "fairly sleepless couple days" leading up to Kohberger's arrest."

According to CNN, LE was tracking him before he got to PA.

 
You’re right. But you’re still making it sound pretty straight forward.

If you do not get the direct hit or a sibling or a mother or father. You likely have a lot of grunt work ahead of you. Especially if it’s a shared great great grandfather via a distant cousin that the perp doesn’t even know and has never shared an address with.

From there it’s all good ol fashioned manual investigative work to see who down the family tree likely fits that profile. And even that isn’t just a matter of Googling. You’re looking up public records. Cross referencing. Searching through backgrounds, occupations, criminal history, demographics, addresses etc.

It’s labor intensive and not the magic bullet it’s often cited as.

Everyone thinks you put a DNA chain in and it magically spits out results. Sometimes…yes, but not always.

A family tree of males that match the DNA profiles at hand. Males chops it by half. Twenty to thirty years of age culls the dataset down quite a bit, 20% of the dataset?
Less than 10% of the total dataset?

With DNA at hand, caucasian male. Getting down around 5% of the data query.

Ideally, you know what you are looking for before querying the dataset.
 
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Does anyone else think he will give a full confession next week once he is presented with the evidence that will prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? He will be spared the death penalty and avoid dragging his parents through a long drawn out trial that will be painful and embarrassing. I think he will be rather proud to tell his story before America although he will avoid revealing the more painful and ego-bruising aspects he's been suppressing his whole life. I think he will plead guilty and spend the rest of his days working on his memoirs that no one will read or be interested in.
I would take the victims families thoughts into consideration, but I would hope the state of Idaho would deny any plea deal and unalive this worthless p o s ...JMO
 
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MOO- I've no doubt LE obtained his DNA before the December 14-17th car ride to PA. In 1988 the US Supreme Court ruled that police have the right to legally search garbage, without a warrant. I think they held off on arresting BK hoping to locate the knife, hoping he'd lead them to it (either to dispose of it, or to "visit" it)... MOO. Remember when WA investigators visited the King Road property around December 9th- IMO that was because there was discussion of arresting BK in WA around that time and the visit was part of a probable cause warrant/extradition discussion...MOO-decision was made to not arrest him then, due to the knife issue, and continue with surveillance. IMO the police did the exhaustive Elantra search not just to lull BK into a false sense of security, but to foreclose his defense that some "other" white Elantra was the vehicle, not his...LE can now show they did an exhaustive search for other possible suspects and were able to rule them out...that this was no "rush to judgment" on the part of LE that caused BK's arrest. MOO.
@watson1. you're right about California v. Greenwood, just not in WA. Higher expectation of privacy in WA.

So DNA probably wasn't from the garbage or if it was, they'd need a warrant, and maybe that's why they were on scene? IDK

Higher expectation of privacy in WA

State v. Boland, 800 P.2d 1112, 115 Wash. 2d 571 (1990)

The Washington Supreme Court diverged from California v. Greenwood when analyzing the issue under Art. I, §7. In State v. Boland, 115 Wash.2d 571, 800, 800 P.2d 1112 (1990), the Supreme Court held that under our state constitution, a defendant's private affairs were unreasonably intruded on by law enforcement officers when they removed garbage from his trash can and transported it to a police station to be searched by state and federal narcotics agents. The Supreme Court held that any resident who places garbage in a can and puts it on the curb for collection reasonably believes the garbage will not be subjected to a warrantless governmental search. 115 Wash.2d at 578. "While a person must reasonably expect a licensed trash collector will remove the contents of his trash can, this expectation does not also infer an expectation of governmental intrusion." Id. at 581. In other words, we expect the collector to pick up our garbage and remove it for proper disposal; we do not expect that the government will search the contents of our garbage bags to identify evidence of wrong-doing.

Abandoned DNA is different, so they likely found other ways to collect his DNA if they did it in WA IMO JMO. In State v. Athan, the WA Supreme Court found no violation of Article I, section 7 when the police found a creative way to obtain a suspect's DNA
State v. Athan, 158 P.3d 27, 160 Wash. 2d 354 (2007).
 
Now that we’re seeing that Kaylee’s family is aware of a link between K and B, I wonder if he passed himself off as a photographer? Kind of goes along with the criminology part. Who knows what LE found in his apartment.
 
What age does high school finish typically? And what age does it start?
I'm just wondering whether the heroin story is true or not?
allegedly while in High school..
Is there a known heroin problem in that specific area going back to when he was in high school?
I can understand experimenting at tender ages but top shelf seems a bit of a reach.
Or maybe he just made the story up, or she did?
Probably a dead end anyway if so long ago.
But that would also have been before he was old enough to buy alcohol?

I can add that another member chimed in earlier today to say that s/he lived in a similar locale nearby and indeed heroin was a major commodity at that time. The talk here was also about the drug spice being popular along with heroin. The female friend did not mention spice; only heroin.

I think the takeaway is that he has the propensity to abuse illicit drugs and become addicted to them. He overcame his addiction to heroin but the urges may remain, as so often happens.

I don't doubt the friend's story about riding in the Poconos but we're free to disregard it as well.
 
Thank You. I believe you, and have seen lots of posters mentioning a drug past, but I haven't come across any news articles of such. Is there a link mentioning his drug past? Can anyone post a link to that? (sorry, threads are going so fast)

There was a young woman on Tik Tok who stated that she hung out with him in HS and he was a heroin addict. Not sure if the source in this article that says the same thing is the same friend or not but:

 

12/31/22 pm

There is no known connection by Kohberger to the victims at this time. Police are not releasing a possible connection or how they reached Kohberger as their suspect due to the ongoing investigation. More information will be released when Kohberger returns to Idaho, police said.

Investigators were previously searching for a white Hyundai Elantra seen in the area at the time, of which Moscow Police Chief James Fry said in a Friday press conference that they, "have located an Elantra."

The murder weapon has still not been found, as of Friday, Dec. 30 -- but police have been searching an apartment believed to be Kohberger's, as well as his TA office in Wilson-Short Hall on the WSU campus.

If Kohberger waives his extradition hearing, he could be transported to Idaho much more quickly than expected.
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ETA: Take note Moscow LE (leading this investigation) is not confirming the use of Familia DNA or any connection of the suspect to KG (or any of the victims) on this date. MOO
 
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