ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 46

[Love Never Fails]

unconfirmed any connection so far --- many felt on another thread that it was an attention grab for her

Thank you. I didn’t realize this had been discussed. I can’t help but wonder if sick people aren’t helping to breed even sicker people into committing these acts. I don’t know. I couldn’t “study” a killer. I couldn’t be around them. I wouldn't write a book about them.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Hi @Elley Mae!

I can only speak on what would occur where I worked.
With Federal transportation being a lengthy trip like what is going to occur with this case, the mode of the inmate transfer will most likely be done by the U.S. Marshal Service.

That is what was used where I worked for long distance travel. The inmate would be on either the U.S. Marshals airliner or a smaller plane owned by the U.S. Marshal Service.

Any person that has been transported in that manner, we kept them on headcount until we were cleared by the U.S. Marshals to drop them. That is to ensure that no one can check the facility headcount and see that they are no longer on the headcount and en route to the final destination.

The Marshals would arrive in Booking unannounced(very first place hit after entering the secured garage).
They would then present the custody paperwork to the Booking Officer. The Supervisor on duty would be summoned to verify the paperwork.

The one being transported would then be escorted to Booking after the hallway route to Booking is cleared of inmates. Each unit along that route to Booking would be contacted via phone, not our radios so that any inmate within earshot of our radios could hear that the hallway needs to be secured.

In Booking, the inmate is strip search in the search room in Booking. Once cleared, the Marshal with secure the inmate with their cuffs and shackles double locked and a box secured on the cuffs and shackles to prevent tampering.

Even though the inmate is in the custody of the Marshals, they were still on our headcount like I stated earlier.

There were other ways inmates were transported by the U.S. Marshals, but this seems the most likely way it would happen in the Idaho case.

My opinion based on what I encountered.
Respectfully,
Thora_Jay

I was going to say- I work in healthcare and it's not unusual to see inmates- actually just had a patient who was transported by US Marshals!

I know that when this happens, we can't schedule follow up appointments on the spot. The inmate and their transport can't know when future appointments will be due to security issues.

I'm sure none of this is news to you- just piggy backing on your post to further relay that no one will know in advance when this transfer happens. He will be locked up in Idaho before we even know he left PA.

 

[justwannahelp]

bumping this post in case not everybody has seen Brian Entin's tweet

Thx. I thought this sounded odd co steering how quiet he was when arrested. And they said he was in solitary confinement

 

[kaen]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed


He may be a person who struggled with some low level issues that have become more pronounced as he got older. It seems to me that he had social issues but did well enough in high school to ultimately go to college for an Associates, Bachelors and Masters degree. He was a school security guard after high school for a period of time. One thing I have been contemplating is the way his urges toward violent crimes seems to have been sated over time. In the media it was suggested he wanted to be in LE but wound up studying criminology-- with some significant time spent with a professor who was known for investigating violent killers who killed repeatedly. So, he may have been able to get some of his urges satisfied through that access. He clearly had trouble with treating others appropriately according to peers, students and those in the restaurant industry.

He created that survey of criminals and their emotional state at the end of his Masters program and many have wondered why. I had been thinking that he might get excited or aroused by the violent imagery/reports that he had access to in is Masters program and that survey was a way of having material close at hand. Or, he was wanting an emotional blueprint to what murder/violent crime might actually feel like as a way of planning one.

Going to school so far from home after never having left home may have been a catalyst for more fantasies and a need for violent material to sate/calm himself psychologically. His neighbors noticed he was up late at night. In the media, his students reported a man who was rigid and needed to be in control-- harsh grading, rehearsed speeches at the beginning of class. He did not find people who accepted him or were like him. Then, the professor had the students confront him about their grades---for a man who wanted to be in control to have his boss empower the "lowly" students to take him on in a class of 150 might have been a breaking point in terms of him keeping his urges at bay. The sheer public humiliation may have caused him to want to harm some undergrads---any undergrads. (He had similar reactions in high school when he felt like an outcast.) In some articles people saw him more relaxed and less buttoned-up after the murders --even one student said that he had let his facial hair grow while doling 100% grades to all rather than being a harsh grader. He no longer cared about "respect" and being an authority.

In many PhD programs, only the star admits get to determine who they study with and other candidates are assigned. He may not have been assigned to a professor who was doing the kind of research that would have been like his Masters professor who was well-known for the work on killers. So, he was unable to fulfill the void of violent imagery/information that kept his urges at bay.

(I know PhD candidates who when they got their research assignments didn't get lab work or research work in fields they had hoped to study in. And, in the first year, they tried to make connections with professors in their desired field but if they couldn't make a connection it was potential 3-4 years working on research they hated before they could do their own research. And, I have also known people who had to produce their PhD research in a field that was related to their earlier work because their mentor was on their committee and "strongly suggested" they do work in the professor's field. It is not always the case that PhD students get to chart their own path or work in the area of a field that they are extremely passionate about.)

These are my wonderings based on what I have seen posted here and written in the media.

 

[Palinsmom]

Same. Why would a female inmate be around a male inmate to that extent anyway? Also what little we know of this guy, none of that seems to “fit,” besides the other person this morning supposedly saying he hasn’t said a word in the jail.

They really have to stop interviewing every single person they can find.

True.
I guess perhaps Money Talks whether or not fact or fiction. Sadly

 

[arielilane]

Sounds like Latah County needs to think very hard about getting good representation for BK, especially if these end up being DP charges (I assume they are). Surely the county prosecutor and the state AG realize how badly it reflects on them if BK ends up getting a favorable judgment on appeal if they didn't provide adequate qualified counsel. It's a no-brainer, JMO.

MOO, no doubt it will be DP case.

 

[Meeshywii]

I’m catching up has any evidence that actually links him to this crime came out?

 

[SuzieQurious]

<modsnip - quoted post was sleuthing family members>
Yes, some suggest research is mesearch and I am no expert but often I meet offspring of parents who are addicts and also potentially abusive and they tend to be on the straight and narrow, nonviolent, and a nonaddict . . . and there are the others right? I thought his research seemed odd for a CJ doctoral student who is not in forensic psychology or psychiatry, but in this article a past professor states:

“I was one of the professors who helped Bryan with his proposal on his graduate thesis, his capstone project. He did put out a routine questionnaire for his thesis. It looks weird, I understand from the public view. But in criminology it’s normal,” she told the Daily Mail.

“It’s a criminology theory called script theory, it’s a normal theory on how and why criminals commit their crime, etc.,” she said.

Source: via NY POST (I know!)

Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger was a ‘brilliant’ student, his professor says​

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610061602773942279

OK, sounds like they will be allowed to film BK arriving via transport to the courthouse and the Court did NOT grant expanded media coverage INSIDE the courtroom. (Per PA Rule 1910 previously linked).

I thought that sounded too good to be true.

 

[YSBruny]

I don't know if this has been pointed out but if not I will because it is certainly noticeable to me. (from link below)

WHAT DO WE NOT SEE HERE ?


View attachment 391765.

I see no scratches whatsoever. No claw marks, no gouges. Nothing but a slight redness at the very top of the throat. Even under large magnification nothing is visible. The time since November 13th would not be enough to heal any significant mark completely.


We know that the reference "some" of the victims had defensive wounds has always been used. Some is certainly more than one--it could be 2, 3 or all 4. One of the things I HIGHLY doubt is that none of the girls would have attempted to scratch his face in their struggle to avoid death. And the fingernails of females can do significant damage.


So this means that there cannot be any hoped-for skin cells at least from his face under their fingernails because there is no evidence of where it could have originated. The prosecution cannot merely speculate that he covered his face with a mask, the defense lawyer would force them to produce evidence of it.


If the rest of his body looks like this and if they cannot find that mask or prove one was used, this is a problem for the prosecution. It is certainly a factor which is exculpatory.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/bryan-kohberger-01.jpg

There would only be red marks evident on his skin now if the wounds the victims created whilst trying to defend themselves were deep.

Wounds which heal in 10-14 days leave no residual effects whereas wounds that heal in 21 days or more have a high risk of scarring which would manifest as redness at this stage, 6 -7 weeks post injury.

So it really depends on the depths of the wounds the victims inflicted which may have been superficial. My feeling is that if the victims scratched the alleged perpetrator, fingernails would not penetrate through all the layers of the skin - through epidermis and the entire dermis to create deep wounds that would show redness at this stage. Also genetics plays a part as well and not everyone scars the same.

MOO, based on a career in burns care.

 

[cheetostock]

I’m catching up has any evidence that actually links him to this crime came out?

Specifically? Not yet.

 

[cottonweaver]

We'll find out in time. I don't think it's too crazy to assume a positive correlation between advanced studies in criminology and forensic awareness, though. Saying he has forensic awareness is not saying he's an expert in forensics. It's saying he would understand how forensic evidence has been/is used to investigate crimes and would have adapted his planning based on that understanding.

Indeed, hopefully we will find out.

I certainly wouldn't describe myself as having a good awareness of forensics and I don't watch forensics TV shows.
However, having read a lot of WS posts on this case, I wouldn't be surprised if there are members on WS who have a greater knowledge of forensics than BK might have gained over those 5 years.

Also, somebody posted a list of all the modules that BK would have studied as part of his DeSales programmes but it would be very hard to re-find that post now.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That would be dumb considering Idaho has no insanity defense. I think maybe there’s some exaggeration here, but I also don’t doubt he is behaving badly. Yikes.

We have seen how suspects (Lori Vallow) can dance around Insanity in Idaho.... perhaps this is his perpdom will act as well........ delays delays delays.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Yep! Lots of radio chatter going on with this stop. IMO

Imagine the conversations at the PD when the officer ends shift and everyone is saying WTF??

What if the father-son conversation took a "turn" while driving thru Indiana, distracting whomever was driving?
MOO

 

[IceCreamSundae]

His lawyer made the statment when asked about it later. I searched for thirty minutes to find it, its buried in the gazillions of stories somewhere. Maybe someone else here has it bookmarked?

His lawyer stated that BK doesn’t recall asking that question, so I can only assume from that that the lawyer wasn’t present. He would not have been present at the arrest. That’s normal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609701205176946688

 

[cheetostock]

We have seen how suspects (Lori Vallow) can dance around Insanity in Idaho.... perhaps this is his perpdom will act as well........ delays delays delays.

The story was false.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Could he have been recruiting an accomplice through the research? I have not heard that mentioned and wonder if any people in the research project have spoken about it.

Engaging an accomplish is not totally out of the question. I have thought this as well.... I doubt it, but not impossible.

 

[Homeschool Mom]

They have him behaving outrageously while waiting in jail.
Planning for an insanity defense??
'I cut them, I'll cut you': Idaho 'killer' shows genitals in jail rant

I have an adult child who was in rehab for a year. Sadly, relapse is incredibly common. Staring at the wall not talking to anyone…. Then this behavior…. Sounds like the progression of substance withdrawal. MOO

 

[Thora_Jay]

My post here

I was going to say- I work in healthcare and it's not unusual to see inmates- actually just had a patient who was transported by US Marshals!

I know that when this happens, we can't schedule follow up appointments on the spot. The inmate and their transport can't know when future appointments will be due to security issues.

I'm sure none of this is news to you- just piggy backing on your post to further relay that no one will know in advance when this transfer happens. He will be locked up in Idaho before we even know he left PA.

Thank you @LAHOLLA, but you missed where I stated that the Marshals arrive unannounced and also that the person would still be on our headcount until cleared by the Marshals when they reached their final destination.


"Any person that has been transported in that manner, we kept them on headcount until we were cleared by the U.S. Marshals to drop them. That is to ensure that no one can check the facility headcount and see that they are no longer on the headcount and en route to the final destination.

The Marshals would arrive in Booking unannounced(very first place hit after entering the secured garage).
They would then present the custody paperwork to the Booking Officer. The Supervisor on duty would be summoned to verify the paperwork."

 

[javi]

Jo Scott Morgan was on Newsnation earlier today and pointed out that even the victims' hands ( which were bagged before removal for autopsy) may have deposits of his DNA, from eg skin cells, so even if they were unable to scratch him, useful material could still have been found.

( The clip will probably be available on the Newsnation account on YouTube)

Yes, fibers or other possibilities of something pertinent to the killer would be possible. But then the prosecution would also have to PRODUCE that source of whatever the DNA was from as well and showing it as an evidenciary exhibit to a jury. In the booking photo the entire body of Kohberger is not visibile either which could also show injury that we can't see in the booking photo. For example, his hands.

What my main point was, is that his face apears pristine under magnification and I contend there would still be some evidence (even though healed or nearly healed) that something had caused a recent mark or injury.

A face is a very vulnerable place to attack if you are in close combat. I believe it would be very likely the girls especially would be attempting to claw his face as they would be flailing around. There would be two purposes--- one of course, to try to deflect the knife, but two, also at the same time trying to injure him to stop the attack or at least cause him a problem that he now has of a possible serious injury to himself.