ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #71
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Maybe the life insurance for the kids was contemplated in anticipation of them being pushed off an observation platform into a geyser at a national park. That plan was obviously scrapped because too many people were around to witness. (Far-fetched & IMO)
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I agree. I raised this in the previous thread, too risky to kill one and have the body found without fingers pointing back and if remained missing then no payout. Plus, I’ve just had a quick look at Gerber Grow Up plan and I don’t think the coverage is huge. All in all, life insurance in the children would have been too risky and that’s why they went for the adults with cover eg Tammy and Brandon.
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Hmmm... I don't know. I thought she probably just made that up.
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Well, she may have had a $2M or $3M policy, at one time. But once Hiplos was shot, those premiums payments died with him. If it was a term life policy, and premium payments aren't made -- no payout.
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IIRC, it was confirmed during the trial that he had a policy. One of the few things she didn't lie about.
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I just don't get how you can remember so many aliases and phone numbers, I have a hard enough time remembering my own number some days.
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Summary of tweets for Monday, April 24th -
State witness: Nicole Heideman, FBI / Part 1
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Boyce asks if Stubbs will be recalled to testify. Smith says he may be so the detective remains under subpoena. Next witness called is Nicole Heideman. Lindsey Blake will question Heideman. Heideman works for the FBI.
Heideman says she was asked to review some Google searches on Chad Daybell's Gmail account and the lollytime account. Blake asks to admit a Powerpoint presentation.
The Powerpoint contains a summary of "relevant" search findings from the accounts, Heideman says when asked by Thomas. Thomas does not object to admitting the presentation.
The first slide on the presentation shows search activity in the chad.daybell@gmail.com email account from Oct. 1, 2018 through Nov. 28, 2019.
- On Jan. 31, 2019, the user searched: "Ned Schneider Louisana obituary 1997."
- On March 3, 2019, the user searched: "june 26" star sign, are cancer and leo compatible, may 4 sign, taurus and leo compatible.
- On May 5, 2019, the user searched: malachite, ebay malachite-jewelry.
- On June 1, 2019, the user searched: "hiplos."
- On July 9, 2019, the user searched: when you surprise someone with accusations.
- On Sept. 28, 2019, the user searched: ssw wind. what is the definition of ssw wind.
- On Oct. 8, 2019, the user searched: rhode island area code.
The next slide shows activity on the lollytime4ever Gmail account from March 7, 2019 through Dec. 14, 2019.
- On May 7, 2019, the user searched: malachite
- On July 21, 2019, the user searched: gerber life policy, life insurance for children - the Grow-Up Plan.
- On July 26, 2019, the user searched: Phoenix pet service, craigslist, sell service dog, Little Angels Service Dogs, Service Dogs for Sale, Offerings Phoenix.
- On Aug. 25, 2019, the user searched: wedding bands made of malachite
- On Sept. 20, 2019, the user searched: Kennedy Elementary Rexburg Idaho phone number; define possess.
- On Sept. 24, 2019, the user searched: Kennedy Elementary Rexburg Idaho phone number
- On Sept. 30, 2019, the user searched: how to get the back seat out of my jeep wrangler; Jeep Wrangler JK Rear Seat Removal How to DIY - YouTube
- On Oct. 2, 2019, the user searched: gilbert az news
- On Oct. 22, 2019, the user searched:wedding dresses, wedding dresses in Hawaii
Heideman says she was asked to conduct phone attribution during the investigation. This is when you determine who the primary user of a phone is. She has a Powerpoint presentation with information that Blake asks to admit into evidence.
Some non-Daybell news: Tucker Carlson and Fox have parted way, Don Lemon has been fired from CNN and Len Goodman has died. Busy day in the media world!
Back to Daybell: Blake's computer is having technical issues so another computer is being brought up to show the presentation.
Heideman says investigators determined Chad Daybell had nine phone numbers between Oct. 2018 and Jan. 2020. There were three numbers of interest. Lori Vallow had six phone numbers, three were of interest. Alex Cox had six phone numbers, three were of interest.
John Prior, Chad's attorney, is back in the courtroom this morning. He is taking notes.
Heideman going through Chad Daybell's cell phone attribution list. It was listed on flight records, a Hawaii lease agreement and other documents. This number was saved as "Bishop Shumway" in the lori4stlye iCloud account. It was saved as "Dad" in Seth Daybell's phone.
A second phone number associated to Chad was saved in the lori4style iCloud account as "Melani 2." A third phone number was activated when the second phone number expired. It was saved in the lori4style account as "Jamie."
The fourth phone number associated to Chad was saved as "bubby" in the lollytime iCloud account. It was activated from July 1, 2019 through Oct. 2019. This phone called the mortuary in Arizona after Charles died.
Lori also texted an Allegiant Air confirmation to this phone. Lori also texted this phone "birthday kisses all over" and was saved as "Bishop Shumway" in the lori4style iCloud account.
The fourth number was only in contact with one of Lori's numbers and one of Alex's numbers. It was saved in Lori's iCloud account as "Bishop Miller." Chad texted this number saying he would call from a 401 area code - which is Rhode Island.
The next slide shows two more phone numbers that were used after the homicides. One was associated to "Raphael" as Chad and "James and Elena" as Chad and Lori. On Dec. 4, 2019, Chad sent a group text to his kids saying, "Hi, this is Dad."
This number was saved as "Raphael" in Zulema's phone. Another phone number shows a text on Dec. 14, 2019 to his children that says, "Hi, this is Chad." The number was used by Chad and Lori, according to Iam Pawlowski - Melani's husband.
Heideman now showing the cell phones attributed to Lori Vallow. The first phone number was connected to Allegiant Air records, Delta Flight records and was the contact number on a Hawaii wedding quote request.
The next phone number was subscribed to Lori Vallow from Feb. 4, 2019 - Jan. 2020. It was associated with three of Lori's iCloud/Gmail accounts. It was listed as as shipping address in Rexburg for Charles Vallow's Amazon account.
It was also listed as a contact number on the Hawaii wedding request.
Lori gave the third number to Chandler police after Charles was killed. It was associated with Premier Financial Services (Charles Vallow's business). It was also listed as a contact on the Hawaii wedding quote request.
The next slide shows Alex Cox's cell phone attribution. The first number was provided by Alex to Chandler police as they were investigating Charles Vallow's homicide. It was tied to Alex's email accounts and listed on Allegiant flight records.
The second phone number attributed to Alex had no subscriber name but it was active from Sept.-Dec. 2019. The third phone number was tied to a Samsung Galaxy phone found in Alex's apartment. There was so subscriber name but it was associated to Alex's email address.
It was saved as "Spencer's wife" in Lori's iCloud account.
Blake says this is a logical time to take a lunch break. Boyce agrees. We will be back by 1 p.m.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
State witness: Nicole Heideman, FBI / Part 1
Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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4m
Boyce asks if Stubbs will be recalled to testify. Smith says he may be so the detective remains under subpoena. Next witness called is Nicole Heideman. Lindsey Blake will question Heideman. Heideman works for the FBI.
Heideman says she was asked to review some Google searches on Chad Daybell's Gmail account and the lollytime account. Blake asks to admit a Powerpoint presentation.
The Powerpoint contains a summary of "relevant" search findings from the accounts, Heideman says when asked by Thomas. Thomas does not object to admitting the presentation.
The first slide on the presentation shows search activity in the chad.daybell@gmail.com email account from Oct. 1, 2018 through Nov. 28, 2019.
- On Jan. 31, 2019, the user searched: "Ned Schneider Louisana obituary 1997."
- On March 3, 2019, the user searched: "june 26" star sign, are cancer and leo compatible, may 4 sign, taurus and leo compatible.
- On May 5, 2019, the user searched: malachite, ebay malachite-jewelry.
- On June 1, 2019, the user searched: "hiplos."
- On July 9, 2019, the user searched: when you surprise someone with accusations.
- On Sept. 28, 2019, the user searched: ssw wind. what is the definition of ssw wind.
- On Oct. 8, 2019, the user searched: rhode island area code.
The next slide shows activity on the lollytime4ever Gmail account from March 7, 2019 through Dec. 14, 2019.
- On May 7, 2019, the user searched: malachite
- On July 21, 2019, the user searched: gerber life policy, life insurance for children - the Grow-Up Plan.
- On July 26, 2019, the user searched: Phoenix pet service, craigslist, sell service dog, Little Angels Service Dogs, Service Dogs for Sale, Offerings Phoenix.
- On Aug. 25, 2019, the user searched: wedding bands made of malachite
- On Sept. 20, 2019, the user searched: Kennedy Elementary Rexburg Idaho phone number; define possess.
- On Sept. 24, 2019, the user searched: Kennedy Elementary Rexburg Idaho phone number
- On Sept. 30, 2019, the user searched: how to get the back seat out of my jeep wrangler; Jeep Wrangler JK Rear Seat Removal How to DIY - YouTube
- On Oct. 2, 2019, the user searched: gilbert az news
- On Oct. 22, 2019, the user searched:wedding dresses, wedding dresses in Hawaii
Heideman says she was asked to conduct phone attribution during the investigation. This is when you determine who the primary user of a phone is. She has a Powerpoint presentation with information that Blake asks to admit into evidence.
Some non-Daybell news: Tucker Carlson and Fox have parted way, Don Lemon has been fired from CNN and Len Goodman has died. Busy day in the media world!
Back to Daybell: Blake's computer is having technical issues so another computer is being brought up to show the presentation.
Heideman says investigators determined Chad Daybell had nine phone numbers between Oct. 2018 and Jan. 2020. There were three numbers of interest. Lori Vallow had six phone numbers, three were of interest. Alex Cox had six phone numbers, three were of interest.
John Prior, Chad's attorney, is back in the courtroom this morning. He is taking notes.
Heideman going through Chad Daybell's cell phone attribution list. It was listed on flight records, a Hawaii lease agreement and other documents. This number was saved as "Bishop Shumway" in the lori4stlye iCloud account. It was saved as "Dad" in Seth Daybell's phone.
A second phone number associated to Chad was saved in the lori4style iCloud account as "Melani 2." A third phone number was activated when the second phone number expired. It was saved in the lori4style account as "Jamie."
The fourth phone number associated to Chad was saved as "bubby" in the lollytime iCloud account. It was activated from July 1, 2019 through Oct. 2019. This phone called the mortuary in Arizona after Charles died.
Lori also texted an Allegiant Air confirmation to this phone. Lori also texted this phone "birthday kisses all over" and was saved as "Bishop Shumway" in the lori4style iCloud account.
The fourth number was only in contact with one of Lori's numbers and one of Alex's numbers. It was saved in Lori's iCloud account as "Bishop Miller." Chad texted this number saying he would call from a 401 area code - which is Rhode Island.
The next slide shows two more phone numbers that were used after the homicides. One was associated to "Raphael" as Chad and "James and Elena" as Chad and Lori. On Dec. 4, 2019, Chad sent a group text to his kids saying, "Hi, this is Dad."
This number was saved as "Raphael" in Zulema's phone. Another phone number shows a text on Dec. 14, 2019 to his children that says, "Hi, this is Chad." The number was used by Chad and Lori, according to Iam Pawlowski - Melani's husband.
Heideman now showing the cell phones attributed to Lori Vallow. The first phone number was connected to Allegiant Air records, Delta Flight records and was the contact number on a Hawaii wedding quote request.
The next phone number was subscribed to Lori Vallow from Feb. 4, 2019 - Jan. 2020. It was associated with three of Lori's iCloud/Gmail accounts. It was listed as as shipping address in Rexburg for Charles Vallow's Amazon account.
It was also listed as a contact number on the Hawaii wedding request.
Lori gave the third number to Chandler police after Charles was killed. It was associated with Premier Financial Services (Charles Vallow's business). It was also listed as a contact on the Hawaii wedding quote request.
The next slide shows Alex Cox's cell phone attribution. The first number was provided by Alex to Chandler police as they were investigating Charles Vallow's homicide. It was tied to Alex's email accounts and listed on Allegiant flight records.
The second phone number attributed to Alex had no subscriber name but it was active from Sept.-Dec. 2019. The third phone number was tied to a Samsung Galaxy phone found in Alex's apartment. There was so subscriber name but it was associated to Alex's email address.
It was saved as "Spencer's wife" in Lori's iCloud account.
Blake says this is a logical time to take a lunch break. Boyce agrees. We will be back by 1 p.m.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
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I think it was possibly a term life policy purchased at the same time as Charles'- but her age and gender made it so much cheaper they did 2 mil.
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- On March 3, 2019, the user searched: "june 26" star sign, are cancer and leo compatible, may 4 sign, taurus and leo compatible. - On May 5, 2019, the user searched: malachite, ebay malachite-jewelry. - On June 1, 2019, the user searched: "hiplos."
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Chad's star sign is Leo.
June 26th is Lori's birthday
May 4th is Tammy's birthday
I believe these searches are from one of Chad's phones
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- On March 3, 2019, the user searched: "june 26" star sign, are cancer and leo compatible, may 4 sign, taurus and leo compatible. - On May 5, 2019, the user searched: malachite, ebay malachite-jewelry. - On June 1, 2019, the user searched: "hiplos."
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Chad's star sign is Leo.
June 26th is Lori's birthday
May 4th is Tammy's birthday
I believe these searches are from one of Chad's phones
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Chad is just a big,big, con artist. IMO
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- On Jan. 31, 2019, the user searched: "Ned Schneider Louisana obituary 1997."
these people I just can't .... they honestly in my opinion worked very hard at all their deceptions.... just evil.
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so he invented the name Hiplos! (I hadn't realised that)
June 26 is Lori's BDay
Tammy was a Taurus
Why google compatibility when you're dead set on dumping or killing your wife? Was he getting cold feet? ( I can't recall the comments of Lori when she was getting frustrated with him not having left Tammy already)
July 9th '.....when you surprise someone with accusations' Is that to do with Charles V e mailing Tammy? the dates kinda fit & internet hits include stuff like :
How would innocent people react to accusations of cheating?
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It's the cast of characters.
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maybe he was just looking for more justification for what he was gonna do.
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