FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[Charlot123]

Footage shows Florida teen calmly tell 911 operator he killed his mom

Derek Rosa, 13, was seen in haunting new Ring doorbell camera footage casually speaking to his mom in the hours before he allegedly stabbed her to death dozens of times while she slept.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Seeing DR on the video, hearing him talking, probably everyone would say, "something is not right". I wonder how alexithymia plays in the situation of DR's obvious puberty, and being in a two-bedroom apartment with the mother who just gave birth to a baby? Could there be emerging Oedipal complex that this boy can not process and that finally drives him to kill? I doubt he can explain to himself why he did it. This could explain the surprising support of both sides of his family, because there probably is another side of him there, too, a boy that misses his mother. He obviously experiences all human emotions, he is afraid when the police arrives, and yet he appears strangely dissociated, I wonder if this is him all the time, or just a temporary fog?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

IMO he seems calm in the video when saying that he sees officers and asking whether he should leave. He is not emotional.

My sense is that he lives highly in a fantasy world and not very connected to reality. Additionally he reacts to what's going on around him and doesn't really think his actions through.

However this describes many children and teenagers, even adults, so not sure where my point is going here.

 

[Charlot123]

IMO he seems calm in the video when saying that he sees officers and asking whether he should leave. He is not emotional.

My sense is that he lives highly in a fantasy world and not very connected to reality. Additionally he reacts to what's going on around him and doesn't really think his actions through.

However this describes many children and teenagers, even adults, so not sure where my point is going here.

Yes, he is the type to live in the fantasy world. But since, as you rightfully noticed, it describes many children, teenagers and adults, understanding what happened might be the key to prevention, this is how I am trying to view these scary, odd cases.

 

[ifindedout]

More than 50 supporters pack the court for hearing of Hialeah teen who confessed to killing mother

Another status hearing was held Friday for the 13-year-old who confessed to stabbing his mother to death inside their Hialeah apartment last year.

www.nbcmiami.com

Although Derek Rosa did not attend, his family was at the courthouse during the hearing.

The family was joined by more than 50 supporters who showed up claiming the teen was innocent.

Many packed the courtroom to listen to the judge and attorneys address the case, and afterward chanted outside the courthouse.

At one point, several Miami-Dade police officers warned the crowd they needed to back away from the entrance and stand on the sidewalks.

When questioned if the supporters were associated with Rosa’s legal team, his attorney, Dayliset Rielo said they appreciate the love the family had been getting, but they are not affiliated with them.

 

[katydid23]

Although Derek Rosa did not attend, his family was at the courthouse during the hearing.

The family was joined by more than 50 supporters who showed up claiming the teen was innocent.

Many packed the courtroom to listen to the judge and attorneys address the case, and afterward chanted outside the courthouse.

At one point, several Miami-Dade police officers warned the crowd they needed to back away from the entrance and stand on the sidewalks.

When questioned if the supporters were associated with Rosa’s legal team, his attorney, Dayliset Rielo said they appreciate the love the family had been getting, but they are not affiliated with them.

I don't understand their use of the term 'innocent' here. There is plenty of video evidence showing him calmly killing his mother as she was in her bed. How does the term innocent apply ?

 

[mpnola]

I don't understand their use of the term 'innocent' here. There is plenty of video evidence showing him calmly killing his mother as she was in her bed. How does the term innocent apply ?

Exactly... innocent?!?! I think the mother who is no longer with us proves otherwise.

 

[Seattle1]

Although Derek Rosa did not attend, his family was at the courthouse during the hearing.

The family was joined by more than 50 supporters who showed up claiming the teen was innocent.

Many packed the courtroom to listen to the judge and attorneys address the case, and afterward chanted outside the courthouse.

At one point, several Miami-Dade police officers warned the crowd they needed to back away from the entrance and stand on the sidewalks.

When questioned if the supporters were associated with Rosa’s legal team, his attorney, Dayliset Rielo said they appreciate the love the family had been getting, but they are not affiliated with them.

We've not heard anything since February and I was hopeful this status hearing would result in information about whether or not the parties were closer to setting a date for the PH. Instead, it seems DR's 50+ supporters in attendance dominated the news and nothing about the hearing itself!

 

[Seattle1]

State Case No.:	13-2023-CF-021321-0001-XX	Name:	ROSA, DEREK	Date of Birth:	08/26/2010
Date Filed:	10/26/2023

Hearing Date:

05/29/2024

Hearing Time:

09:00

Hearing Type:

R

DOCKET:

DIN	Date	Book/Page	Docket
	149	04/19/2024	REPORT RE: STATUS CONFERENCE SET FOR 05/29/2024 AT 09:00
	148	04/18/2024	MOTION FOR PRE-TRIAL RELEASE EREK ROSAS MOTION TO SET REASONABLE CONDITIONS OF PRETRIALRE LEAS
	147	04/17/2024	NOTICE OF INTENT TO SERVE SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
	146	04/03/2024	AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
	144	04/02/2024	NOTICE OF INTENT TO SERVE SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
	143	03/15/2024	LETTER RE: LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC
	142	03/29/2024	MTN TO COMPEL STATE ATTY TO COMPLY WITH DEMAND OF DISCOVERY
	140	03/27/2024	REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 04/03/2024 AT 09:01
	138	03/18/2024	NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
	137	03/11/2024	AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
	136	02/26/2024	ORDER GRANTING DEFENDANTS SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL INPART
	135	04/03/2024	REPORT RE: STATUS CONFERENCE SET FOR 04/19/2024 AT 09:00
	134	02/20/2024	REDACTED A-FORM
	133	02/16/2024	AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
	131	02/15/2024	MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FILED 02/15/2024 ORAL SET FOR 02/15/2024 AT 10:20 GRANTED DEFS

https://www2.miamidadeclerk.gov/cjis/CaseSearch.aspx

 

[Seattle1]

Pulled the docket for this case (see above) and it appears the defense filed a Motion on 4/18 seeking to set reasonable conditions for pre-trial release. This is unbelievable and wish MSM would have reported on this instead of his supporters.

With DR's fan club showing at status hearings, and letters of support arriving claiming the teen is innocent, how could DR not be considered a flight risk! JMO

Next status hearing set for 5/29/24.

 

[katydid23]

Pulled the docket for this case (see above) and it appears the defense filed a Motion on 4/18 seeking to set reasonable conditions for pre-trial release. This is unbelievable and wish MSM would have reported on this instead of his supporters.

With DR's fan club showing at status hearings, and letters of support arriving claiming the teen is innocent, how could DR not be considered a flight risk! JMO

Next status hearing set for 5/29/24.

That is really frightening. WHERE would he stay?

Apparently many of his family members are supportive of him---would he stay with them?????

I hope his baby sister is somewhere FAR AWAY from wherever he will be staying.

If I was his Auntie or his grandma I don't think I could sleep a wink if he was out and free...

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't understand their use of the term 'innocent' here. There is plenty of video evidence showing him calmly killing his mother as she was in her bed. How does the term innocent apply ?

Considering there was no one else in the house aside from him and his baby sister (unless they're claiming there was?), my guess would be they're using the word innocent to mean it was possibly some mental condition that forced his hand (literally) into repeatedly stabbing his mother until she was dead. Not that he didn't actually, physically stab her to death, but that the action wasn't his fault.

Which, in my mind, is a complete load of horse droppings but that's my guess.

jmo

 

[PayrollNerd]

To release this boy, and not force him into the treatment he so desperately needs, is enormously disrespectful of his mother, his step father and his little sister. His healthcare needs should override every other person's opinion, or definition, of innocence.

If he is so in need of mental healthcare that he's still locked up, how in the world would any caretaker sleep at night? What triggered him to murder his mother? What would prevent him from murdering a caretaker? JMO

 

[Rosydecember]

If I’m not mistaken, I think they genuinely believe that he is innocent and that it is not him on the camera. I think at one point (not sure if they still are) accusing the stepfather as the one on camera. How awful is that!? Absolutely disgusting I feel terrible for the baby sister and step father

 

[katydid23]

If I’m not mistaken, I think they genuinely believe that he is innocent and that it is not him on the camera. I think at one point (not sure if they still are) accusing the stepfather as the one on camera.

He and Step Dad look absolutely nothing alike. StepDad is much taller, much bulkier, nearly bald.

And Derek has confessed multiple times and not under duress, but calmly and voluntarily.

How awful is that!? Absolutely disgusting I feel terrible for the baby sister and step father

Yah, so his stepDad texted Derek's friend pretending to be him?

And didn't Derek text a pic to the friend of the bloody knife?

ETA:
The teen is accused of stabbing his mother with a purple-handled knife 46 times while she slept next to her newborn baby, before sending bloody photos to a friend of his mother and his hands.

 

[Charlot123]

Considering there was no one else in the house aside from him and his baby sister (unless they're claiming there was?), my guess would be they're using the word innocent to mean it was possibly some mental condition that forced his hand (literally) into repeatedly stabbing his mother until she was dead. Not that he didn't actually, physically stab her to death, but that the action wasn't his fault.

Which, in my mind, is a complete load of horse droppings but that's my guess.

jmo

I can’t comment on the mental condition as we don’t know, but the whole situation resembled me of the Sermon on the Mount. “If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.”

We don’t know what Derek was doing on his computer, what was going on in his head. The reality was, he was living in a small apartment with his mom and her new husband, through mom’s new motherhood, childbirth and caring for the infant. I think that hitting puberty but being very immature, he experienced some feelings and impulses that he could neither process nor suppress. It is all very scary.

The stepfather is not to be blamed. He is the victim here. I suspect the only thing that could have saved Irina and Derek would have been one of the relatives hosting Derek in their house, at least, temporarily. However, for this, they needed to be aware of what was going on in Derek’s head.

I wonder if Derek could be viewed as the victim of the Internet, but I don’t have enough details to support my intuitive feeling.

 

[Kemug]

I assume that by now LE has uncovered everything that Derek was doing on his computer. When that is revealed, most of our questions may be answered.

 

[Charlot123]

I assume that by now LE has uncovered everything that Derek was doing on his computer. When that is revealed, most of our questions may be answered.

I personally would be very much interested in what's there. Sooner or later, we'd have to answer the question, what's in our kids heads?

 

[AnyNameIWish]

Despite what LE knows, I worry that all this family's delusion/ support of this 13 year old who allegedly stabbed his mother with his own hands.... will pressure the courts to consider him differently. I absolutely hope they do not, as this puts him at public risk, TO the public. But then again this is Florida, which never ceases to surprise me, maybe they'll surprise with actual justice.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wonder if Derek could be viewed as the victim of the Internet, but I don’t have enough details to support my intuitive feeling.

Regardless of what is/was on his computer, I don't consider him a victim at all.
While he certainly could have been influenced by some trash online, that doesn't excuse away his choice to butcher his own mother, in her sleep.

jmo

 

[Seattle1]

ETA:
The teen is accused of stabbing his mother with a purple-handled knife 46 times while she slept next to her newborn baby, before sending bloody photos to a friend of his mother and his hands.

^^rsbm

I listen lived to one of the hearing where I heard testimony from LE so this is MOO. A detective testified that DR sent photos of the victim and crime scene to a cyberspace contact residing outside of the US-- WR only knew his/her screen name and not their true identity.