golfmom
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Finding tutors for home schooled students on subjects that the parents are weak on is way easier than finding a babysitter for Friday or Saturday nights.
Court: Teaching Credential Required To Home School
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The real reason they are wanting to outlaw home schooling is not because home schoolers aren't learning. They are making the public school system look bad. On the average, home schoolers test higher than children in public school. And of course, they want the federal money. There may be some that abuse the system. Is it fair to punish everyone for the few that may not teach their children? If so, I haven't heard of anyone calling to make it illegal to send your children to public school. Look at the abuse that is going on there. How many teacher/student affairs have there been? How many teachers are now going to prison?
golfmom
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McDraw, following two different stories here at websleuths I read that Chicago's drop out rate is nearly 50% and Detroit's graduation rate is only 32%. Is it really surprising that so many parents chose to home school?
ETA: This link gives the Federal government's graduation rates for the 50 largest school districts.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm#grad
ETA: This link gives the Federal government's graduation rates for the 50 largest school districts.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm#grad
golfmom
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Somebody help me understand this! California already has one of lowest in per-pupil spending and wants to cut more education funds AND NOW wants to force THOUSANDS of more students into the system. :crazy:
http://www.thereporter.com/ci_8531682?source=most_emailed
We must avoid these disastrous school cuts
Article Launched: 03/11/2008 06:16:00 AM PDT
March 15 is a date that is on the mind of many teachers in our area and across the state. That date is important because it is when school districts must notify teachers if they plan to lay them off. This year, many districts find themselves having to make cuts in their budgets because of the governor's budget proposal.
School districts in California currently rank 46th in the nation in per-pupil spending, which is nearly $2,000 below the national average. The governor's budget proposal calls for a $4.8 billion cut to California public schools. That would put California at the bottom of the list in per-pupil spending.
A $4.8 billion cut to California public schools is like reducing per student spending by more than $800. It would be equal to cutting more than $24,000 per classroom.
http://www.thereporter.com/ci_8531682?source=most_emailed
We must avoid these disastrous school cuts
Article Launched: 03/11/2008 06:16:00 AM PDT
March 15 is a date that is on the mind of many teachers in our area and across the state. That date is important because it is when school districts must notify teachers if they plan to lay them off. This year, many districts find themselves having to make cuts in their budgets because of the governor's budget proposal.
School districts in California currently rank 46th in the nation in per-pupil spending, which is nearly $2,000 below the national average. The governor's budget proposal calls for a $4.8 billion cut to California public schools. That would put California at the bottom of the list in per-pupil spending.
A $4.8 billion cut to California public schools is like reducing per student spending by more than $800. It would be equal to cutting more than $24,000 per classroom.
Natural innate desire, perhaps? Inept. That's too funny. :crazy:
I admire any parent who wants their child to have an excellent education. Many parents realize that the public school system gives their child the opportunity to learn more that the parent alone can teach them. For instance, most schools offer several options in foreign languages, as well as standard English spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
Many parents take a good honest look at their own skills and realize they are simply not qualified to teach calculus, physics, chemistry, etc., at the high school level. However, if a parent sends a child to public school, one thing that should be assured is that the parent always retains the right to be the one to provide spiritual guidance and religious training as the parent sees fit.
No one has the right to force their religious beliefs on other people's children, especially in the public schools. How would you like it if a Muslim parent, for instance, went into your child's school and had everyone, including the district officials, praying to Mecca five times a day? That parent, like yourself, has the right to raise their children in their own faith. They do not, as you do not, have the right to force their beliefs on anybody else's children.
Karole28
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In 2000, Congress passed the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. This act demanded many religious accommodations to be made on public property. In 1993, a federal court mandated a San Diego district to allow students to have religious activities during lunchtime.
In spite of this, we hear of teachers being fired for silently reading a personal Bible during a study hall. Students are not allowed to have student-led Christian prayer at graduations. Students from parochial schools are denied open gym time at the local public school in their district.
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There are pockets throughout the country that have concentrations of Muslim students.
San Diego, CA
Dearborn, MI
Dallas, TX
New York City, NY
These schools are giving the Islamic students breaks to pray during the school day. In fact, the complaint has been made that an extra recess was created in the San Diego district just for prayer.
How Much Prayer?
According to Akram Shami, from the Islamic Center of Southern California in Los Angeles, "We pray to God, we worship God, and we recite verses from the Koran. Prayer is typical at noon or 1 p.m. but there are five daily prayers." [Randy Dotinga, The Christian Science Monitor, scmonitor.com, July 12, 2007] Shami goes on to say that in some public schools, students leave classes momentarily or even wait to pray when they get home.
At Carver Elementary School in San Diego students are praying 15 minutes during an afternoon recess and an hour after lunch. Extra breaks were put into the school day this year to accommodate 100 Muslim students that transferred from a closed Arabic languge program.
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Karole28
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Things like, how to to report a teacher who has molested you? How to use Myspace effectively? How to grow up too fast? How to hide from the bully in gym?
There are good and bad points to homeschooling, public and private schooling. Again, this argument is about having the right to make choices that are best for you and your family.
No one is going to force you to homeschool yours.
Bubble1421
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I missed this whole thing until I came on here today. I am so frustrated by this. My daughter is 6. My aunt has been homeschooling her since she was 3 and a half. She could read and do double digit addition and subtraction at 4 and completed all of her kindergarten work by 4 and a half. Her brithday is at the end of November. I tried to enroll her in Kindergarten at 4 but the public school refused stating she was too young and would have to wait until the next year. We live in LA County which wouldn't let her enroll. So, rather than wait, we went to Somis School district in Ventura County and enrolled her in their homschooling program. They tested her and put her in 1st grade. She completed all her first grade work within 6 months and started on 2nd grade work. Again, I tried to enroll her in our local school when she was 5 and they refused stating she would have to be in Kindergarten no matter how well she tests and no matter what work she has already done. They don't allow kids to skip grades until they are at least in 3rd grade and 8 years old. My daughter also does acting and is going out on auditions & jobs 3-4 times per week. The school stated that her grades will also be penalized if she has to miss school for the jobs & auditions. They refused to sign the work permit too. This left me no choice but to continue the homeschooling through Somis. She is now doing 2nd & 3rd grade work at 6 years old. I can't figure out public schools these days. If the child is above the work in their grade level, why not advance the child. Some kids love to learn. If they are not being challenged at school, it makes the child not want to go to school. That is the last thing that I would want. At least with homeschooling, she wants to do the work. She asks for challenging stuff. She will admit if something is too easy so we look for something that will stimulate her mind. There are some people who take advantage of the system but for the most part, parents that homeschool are working to give their children the individual attention that is lacking in our school systems. As for social skills, because my daughter does acting, she is definitely not lacking in that area. She is a social butterfly! In most areas, there are local homeschool groups that do outings together several times a month. There are also local community programs that you can put your child in to get those social skills (i.e. acting classes, dance classes, community sports, etc.).
GlitchWizard
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Funny things happen when you put your gifted homeschooled child into public school. The first thing I noticed with my daughter who was doing 3rd grade science and 4th grade reading was preschool ticked her off. She came home saying she hated science because they colored a moon and it HAD to be yellow and HAD to be round. I went to the teacher and she told me Donna said she knew the moon was always round, but the shadow cast by the Earth mostly made it look like a smile, so she wanted to draw the smile. She also wanted to draw the "rabbit" on the moon that we see when we look at it. The teacher finally let her be creative.
The second thing was Kindergarten. The teacher said no other student read on her level so she just wasn't going to teach her reading! (Wrong answer!)
The third thing was that she was capable of physics concepts and demonstrations (on the playground, etc) but her writing physically was still that of a 5 year old when she was thrust into a gifted program with 2nd graders and expected to keep up with them. Intellectually, yes, but physically she was five.
The schools just don't have what it takes to deal with individual differences like that.
You can look forward to interesting times!
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Natural innate desire, perhaps? Inept. That's too funny. :crazy:
I admire any parent who wants their child to have an excellent education. Many parents realize that the public school system gives their child the opportunity to learn more that the parent alone can teach them. For instance, most schools offer several options in foreign languages, as well as standard English spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
Many parents take a good honest look at their own skills and realize they are simply not qualified to teach calculus, physics, chemistry, etc., at the high school level. However, if a parent sends a child to public school, one thing that should be assured is that the parent always retains the right to be the one to provide spiritual guidance and religious training as the parent sees fit.
No one has the right to force their religious beliefs on other people's children, especially in the public schools. How would you like it if a Muslim parent, for instance, went into your child's school and had everyone, including the district officials, praying to Mecca five times a day? That parent, like yourself, has the right to raise their children in their own faith. They do not, as you do not, have the right to force their beliefs on anybody else's children.
Excellent post!!!:clap::clap::clap:
I am a big fan of all types of learning. I agree that public schools and homeschool have positives and negatives which each individual parent must weigh for each individual child. I am following this topic because I am a volunteer teacher in our local homeschool network. I teach one large family their homeschool lessons one day a week while their very dedicated instructor, their wonderful mother, runs errands. I also participate in the field trips and other group learning adventures. My kids mostly went to public schools, but there was always learning going on at home. It is a balance each parent must find for each child.
As far as reporting abuse, I know that public school faculty are required to report abuse when they suspect it. I don't know how a child in an abusive and isolated home environment would contact the outside world for help.
As far as reporting abuse, I know that public school faculty are required to report abuse when they suspect it. I don't know how a child in an abusive and isolated home environment would contact the outside world for help.
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My kids mostly went to public schools, but there was always learning going on at home. It is a balance each parent must find for each child.
That's how we do it. My daughter goes to public school and because she is gifted, when we feel she's not being challenged enough, we supplement her work at home.
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If I hear one more time about a child who went to public school that was abused by a teacher, or dated their teacher, or went home after school and was abused, after dealing with a bully all day long etc Parents will abuse no matter where the child schools because they are abusive parents, not because they homeschool.
The answer to your math problem is 4 weights, 1, 3, 9 and 27. Should I show my work too?
If you don't have an idea of all the curricula that is offered then you can't really make a judgement. We are not using books that we got from the dollar store. I've paid thousands of dollars for the teaching material I own and that they use.
This isn't something we do for 3 hours a day then go play hopscotch. This is a lifestyle. We live learning. Our vacations are centered around it, our choice of movies, books, plays and people we visit is based on learning. Everything we do is a learning experience.
We have co-ops, we teach biology and get to cut up frogs just like the rest of the world, except we did a shark fetus too. We have school dances, get togethers, karate classes and music classes. We get to meet and greet people from all walks of life, of any age, all the time. We make homemade paper, visit shut ins, and read to the elderly. We get to visit the zoo when it's not crowded, sit in the park and eat our lunch then go catch bugs and identify them. We write, direct and star in our own plays. Plays that we made the costumes and backdrops for. It's called living in the world and we do it!
No, it's not for everyone, but neither is public school. Wow, a choice! Novel concept. You get to choose, I get to choose, easy as pie!
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Great post, as usual
I can tell you, I do stress a little about what is coming and what I am teaching even now. There are many times I have to buy books myself to relearn it to be able to teach him. I don't remember A LOT of what I learned, and secondly, these kids are WAY ahead compared to us. He is doing now what we were doing LATE in highschool. But, if I think I can't handle something, I get help. I hired a tutoring company just yesterday to the tune of $432 for 8- 1 1/2 hour sessions to help him prepare for CRCT and to double check me. I do use what I think is a great curriculum, it's www.K12.com We have teaching coaches and also testing
Should I be teaching my child? For some, I don't meet the standards...for my son, he is learning at an incredible rate (was testing 3-4th grade from his public school education when I pulled him out at the end of 6th) he is now up to 7th in Lit/Lang and almost to 7th in Math. He should be going into 9th next year...we may not make it. Public school would have just kept pushing him through on his 4th grade education, w/As and Bs, that makes sense. I took him all the way back and we are working through it, subject by subject. He schools 6+ hours everyday...mandatory for the program at K12.
KOOL LOOK
~~~Sin is the Cause of all Sorrow~~~For this Gal,
I hope he gets some earned breaks along the way. Great job to the both of you.
Karole28
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As far as reporting abuse, I know that public school faculty are required to report abuse when they suspect it. I don't know how a child in an abusive and isolated home environment would contact the outside world for help.
Like they have since the beginning of time. Some will never be reported, some will be reported by clergy or other family members. It's sad indeed, but school is not the remedy for it.
southcitymom
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I realize I am probably in the minority, but I would LOVE it if this happened. I wish our public schools would devote substantive time to studying and observing the World's religions - and the different ways that different cultures seek and find God.
I understand that this won't happen in my lifetime, but the reality is that Religion is intricately interwoven into the subjects we teach - from History to Literature to Science to Math.
It seems silly to pretend it doesn't exist. There is a huge difference between teaching about Religion and forcing Religion down anyone's throat. I think we are clever enough to do this (teach but not force), but most school officials don't want to touch it with a 10-foot-pole.
ETA: Sorry for getting so off-topic.
Karole28
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Mine has just learned about Buddhism in her class. (they're going over all of the major religions)
southcitymom
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That's awesome - what grade is she in and is she in public school? I also learned a lot about Religions and religion in school, but I went to a private, church-affiliated school. It seems to me that public schools shy away from the subject, but maybe I am wrong.
We are Jewish and choose to be totally secular with our curriculum but we do have religious study of other faiths. I think it's important to know how others do it. Learning is the first step towards compassion and understanding. I didn't want my children to only believe what they hear on tv shows or whatnot.
Our favorite lessons are ten myths of ___ fill in the blank. We list what we've heard then go off and study. After our studies we review those questions again and compare what we thought with what we learned as truth. It's been interesting and fun. I've learned a ton right along with them.
That sentence in bold is just what I think.
Forgive me if I seem disjointed today. I have a massive headache and it's hard to think clearly.
KOOL LOOK
~~~Sin is the Cause of all Sorrow~~~For this Gal,
Natural innate desire, perhaps? Inept. That's too funny. :crazy:
I admire any parent who wants their child to have an excellent education. Many parents realize that the public school system gives their child the opportunity to learn more that the parent alone can teach them. For instance, most schools offer several options in foreign languages, as well as standard English spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
Many parents take a good honest look at their own skills and realize they are simply not qualified to teach calculus, physics, chemistry, etc., at the high school level. However, if a parent sends a child to public school, one thing that should be assured is that the parent always retains the right to be the one to provide spiritual guidance and religious training as the parent sees fit.
No one has the right to force their religious beliefs on other people's children, especially in the public schools. How would you like it if a Muslim parent, for instance, went into your child's school and had everyone, including the district officials, praying to Mecca five times a day? That parent, like yourself, has the right to raise their children in their own faith. They do not, as you do not, have the right to force their beliefs on anybody else's children.
My bad, a typo on inept, was probably thinking about teaching credentials as I hurriedly typed, appreciate you pointing out what I meant.
As far as religion, I shove nothing down anyone's throat. I just find it amusing how some call it that when the mere mention of something scriptural is announced in the public arena.
I can assure you, my words spoken were in season and valued from all that attended, or I wouldn't have spoken without the permission of the Lord to do so as I was led too. There's a difference in people doing things on their own, and when their led to do it.
As far as anyone else stating or announcing their religion, it's fine with me. The Lord says you know the truth when you hear it. Peace!