Mr. Kyle's Memories

[Cubby]

Another newbie here!

I have been researching Mr Kyle's memories of E Colfax in Denver and here are a few findings -

Tante Louise appears to have started business around 1972. They won many years of Westword's (not Westworld) "best of" awards. One blurb in 2002 mentions that Tante Louise is over 30 years old -

http://www.westword.com/bestof/2002/award/best-french-restaurant-39199/

It appears that if Mr Kyle remembers the beginning of Tante Louise, he had to have been in Denver in the early 70's.

The Normandy was at E Colfax and Madison. Monroe is one street over.

I found mention of Mama Elena's on Westword's Best Of as well as White Spot and Azars Big Boy. Unfortunately, I can only find these best of lists back to 1984, so I do not know if they had them prior to that.

Westword appears to have started publication in 1977 and was bought by the NY Times in 1983. If Mr Kyle remembers this paper, he would have been there in the late 70's forward.

http://www.westword.com/about/index

Only other thing I found is a Jose Luis Martinez worked at Mama Elena's in 1981 and 1982. He has a profile at Classmates.com. I do not have a membership at classmates, but perhaps someone who does could email him for info on others who might have worked there? Or who might have owned the restaurant?

And lastly, Mr Kyle, if you are reading this, here is a link to an interesting blog about 60's and 70's pop culture in Denver. I noticed many memories posted are from the 80's, too. You might read through and see what else you might remember. I also posted a link to your youtube video there to see if anyone remembered you.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/09/1960s-and-1970s-denv.html

Quoting this post as an example of some of BK's colorado memories. I have some questions.

1)Has anyone posted any fliers about BK in this area? Actually walked in to any of these establishments and inquired how to contact any 'old timers'- people who were around in that era and are still around or a way to contact them? Do we have any members local to that area? Who might be willing to do this if it has not already been done?

2)Has BK had the opportunity to travel to this area himself? Perhaps with the PI Dr. Phils show had working on the case, or another organization who might have the means to finance a week trip for Mr. Kyle, along with someone who is able to give him some real direction in searching. Not his nurse.... she is not a professional investigator... someone who has done this before?

3)Has ANY news media in the denver area picked up this story? with pictures? IT would seem to make sense having BK's story ran in this area would produce some leads... hopefully LOTS of people in CO were watching the DR. Phil show, but with so little mentioned of those memories on the show, not sure anyone from CO would have picked it out to search or inquire...

ETA: It seems to me that with the specialist identifying BK's speech patterns, the show seemed to dismiss any of these very specific Colorado memories based on her eliminating colorado as a possible area of where he could be from. I dont' doubt her expertise, but she is one person and as a science it is not 100% accurate.

4)Does anyone have any LE contacts in Denver? Anyone they can contact and pass along a flyer... someone in LE who might say, oh... I know so and so who owned/managed such and such a restaraunt back then... and could get BK's info into the hands/circle of those who might have known him?

I am not in Colorado, or I would be happy to do this.... just seems to make sense to me... and not sure if it has been done...

I do not believe Mr. Kyle is listed as missing. It's my opinion, that he may have took some time off to visit the ocean(reflect in some way).... and those who have wondered about him either wrote off he decided to stay and rebuild a life for himself in that area, -or- someone has tried to file a missing persons report and ran into brick walls with LE when attempting to get it filed. Would not be the first time we have seen an occurence of difficulty or impossible to file a missing persons report.

 

[phenolred]

Welcome to ws,

You have made some very good observations. One thing that I do know is that there was an Arthur Treachers In Indiana. Back in the 70s maybe into the early 80's the one I went to as a kid was in Greenwood Indiana which is just south of Indianapolis.

I just mentioned the Arthur Treachers to my mom and she indicated there was one on the northside of Indianapolis and someone was killed there, in a robbery or something. I also have lived and worked in the Indianapolis Area my entire life I need to print some of the fliers and hang them up around town....

 

[badhorsie]

Is there any audio available of BK that doesn't have a newscaster talking over him? I would love to do speech reversals on him. The only audio I have has the reporters talking over him and that makes it way too hard to hear him.
The whole reverse speech thing may be a longshot but you never know, something positive could come out of it.

Sorry to be impatient but is anyone going to do this?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This one confused me too. I don't recall reading that the professor was missing. My understanding is that he happens to have the same name - or is there more to it than that? It's been a while since I looked at the professor info... could it be that this man was our Benjaman's professor and that is why he was drawn to the name??

cacnotcam, here's the side by side comparison pics for our Benjaman and the professor: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2229531&postcount=35 In case you had not seen it.

No one ever thought it was BK! The name is what seemed interesting and thought maybe BK at one time was a student or perhaps even a relative of the professor.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

under the physical description thread, he states that one of his scars could have come from falling off a loading dock. combine that with his memories of restaurants, i still think he may have been a driver for a food distribution company.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I just mentioned the Arthur Treachers to my mom and she indicated there was one on the northside of Indianapolis and someone was killed there, in a robbery or something. I also have lived and worked in the Indianapolis Area my entire life I need to print some of the fliers and hang them up around town....

We used to have Arthur Treachers in OK, too.

 

[snowme]

Thanks for clearing that up for me SS.

No one ever thought it was BK! The name is what seemed interesting and thought maybe BK at one time was a student or perhaps even a relative of the professor.

 

[Cubby]

Did anyone follow up with the professor?

I remember Arthur Treachers fish and chips from the Chicagoland area too.

Thinking along the lines of tying down a location... I am big Dick Biondi fan.. he is a DJ in his early 70's who goes back to being the second DJ in the states to play the Beatles. While I am not of his generation, I enjoy his music and oldies and his history is easily traceable. Does Mr. Kyle have any preferences in music? any memories of a local DJ? That might be a clue to trace a specific location.

 

[snowme]

Websurfer's post tickled my curiosity so I went looking. I did find a Texas Peace Officer's Memorial page with a Benjamin Kyle Smith (DPS) listed, killed in the line of duty 6/23/58, I believe. http://www.pomf.org/memorial/names2007s_t.html

I also came upon this: http://www.mysteryfile.com/blog/index.php?s=homas A review of the book The Scarab Murder Case A Philo Vance Story. I believe it was also made into a film back in the 30's. The murder victim in this story is named "Benjamin H. Kyle". Somewhere in the review I also spotted that "Kyle's nephew" is mentioned but didn't see what his first name may have been. Has anyone brought up this book before and I'm wondering if our Benjaman is a murder mystery fan?

I looked and saw BENJAMIN KYLE as in relation to the info on WIPIKEDIA
relating to a SCI-FI Show.
Also a police officer from the 1950s
so had he heard or read about anybody with that name real or fictional he may have then used the Burger King as his initials but remembered those names from something he may have read?

 

[snowme]

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

 

[believe09]

Awesome!!!!

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

 

[dreamweaver]

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for a while. This is my first post, but I have been fascinated with this case for about a month or so now, particularly since I have lived in the Indianapolis area for my entire life.

Something just FEELS familiar about this guy. I don't know his name, but he just *feels* like someone I've seen before. I am a great deal younger than Mr. Kyle, but I attended Catholic school on the North side of Indianapolis. It's possible I may have seen him at church or at one of the grade schools I played sports at. He is about my dad's age, or a little older. I don't know how much time has elapsed since he was last in Indianapolis (of course it couldn't have been after 2003), but something about this guy just seems...I dunno...like he's someone from my town. His voice and accent seem native to this region, too.

I would like to help in any way possible. From what was said on Dr. Phil, he seems to *know* in some way that he attended Catholic school here in Indy. I do know a great deal about the Catholic community here, so if I can be of any service, I'd love to answer questions or anything.

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I just read this post and wondering if there was anything new to report.
Did your parents think they might know BK?
Church members?

 

[snowme]

Sorry to quote myself (I'm not sure how I got this info on two different threads in here...)

Just to keep it current - I did hear back for the Chamber of Commerce and a woman there told me that she could find nothing regarding the Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips (date open/date close) but she did direct me to the Colorado Secretary of State. I sent off another email to their businesses division this afternoon.

I did include all of Benjaman's restaurant memories to both the Chamber and the SOS hoping it might encourage any of the information to be touched on in a reply... but to keep them from feeling inundated I narrowed my questioning down to the one restaurant that captured my attention when I first read his memories.

As always, I'll post whatever I hear in reply.

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

 

[Julessleuther]

I was in Denver over the weekend visiting family, we did lots of sightseeing, and I could not stop thinking about BK. I wandered if Believe could ask him if he has any other memories of Denver, places that he may have forgotten, but if asked, may remember. For example-- did he ever go up to Red Rocks to see a concert? Did he ever go to Pikes Peak or Rocky Mountain National Park? Did he ever go skiing at any of the resorts? Each new memory he has may be a new piece of the puzzle. If he saw a concert at Red Rocks, we may be able to place when he was there. I so want him to have his life back--perhaps all he has left is an elderly parent who does not have access to the internet and does not watch Dr. Phil....

 

[snowme]

Julessleuther, those are great things to ask about!!

Not sure if it was here or another thread but I liked dreamweaver's thought too... regarding if Benjaman has any memories or recollections of holidays or family gatherings.

 

[chaddylex]

I work in PA, but my corporate headquarters is in Indianapolis. I had three guys from my corporate office at my office today, and I showed them BK's picture to see if they knew who he was. I explained to them about his amnesia - the whole story. The one guy that I showed attened Catholic School North of Indy, in a town called Nobelsville he said if BK thinks some of his roots are are the Indy area that someone should distribute flyers to some catholic church liked someone else mentioned in this thread. I just thought I would share that with you all.

chaddylex

 

[snowme]

I work in PA, but my corporate headquarters is in Indianapolis. I had three guys from my corporate office at my office today, and I showed them BK's picture to see if they knew who he was. I explained to them about his amnesia - the whole story. The one guy that I showed attened Catholic School North of Indy, in a town called Nobelsville he said if BK thinks some of his roots are are the Indy area that someone should distribute flyers to some catholic church liked someone else mentioned in this thread. I just thought I would share that with you all.

chaddylex

I thought for sure we had someone in that area going to do just that. Anyone know if this got done?

 

[carolwood]

I can get Indianapolis emails out to the parish churches, I can get started finding these tomorrow, and have some ready to go out on monday. Just an update also, Denvers emails are almost all out, finish these on monday. There will be 523 that went out. I spaced them out, hoping to get longer coverage, people talking about it, and sending each other emails, hoping to get this in some of the bulletins at the churches too. Boy wouldn't this be great!

 

[Salem]

Awesome job carolwood! You guys have done so much work here, I am so impressed!

Sending emails to the parish churches is a great idea, as well as sending the emails to the Chamber in Denver. WOW!

Another thought for anyone local to Denver - you can probably research property records on the French restraurant at the assessor's or tax collector's office. In CA we go to the assessor's office, but I'm not sure how it works for CO.

Good, good work!

Salem

 

[snowme]

I can get Indianapolis emails out to the parish churches, I can get started finding these tomorrow, and have some ready to go out on monday. Just an update also, Denvers emails are almost all out, finish these on monday. There will be 523 that went out. I spaced them out, hoping to get longer coverage, people talking about it, and sending each other emails, hoping to get this in some of the bulletins at the churches too. Boy wouldn't this be great!

:clap::blowkiss: carolwood, you are wonderful! Great thinking on the spacing of the emails, too. Did you begin the Indy emails? I'm either recalling inaccurately that someone had said they'd do that or maybe that person hasn't been on for a while.

Anyway... great work!!