MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #1

[lbminnesota]

Darrel Mohler - Probable cause statement

http://www.fox4kc.com/media/acrobat/2009-11/50484435.pdf

 

[SuziQ]

Two victims of Darrel, Juniors female children. One was six one was five.

 

[Missizzy]

That's horrific!! You rape two tiny little girls and them terrify them by telling them that they may drown in their sleep. It's details like this that cause me to be way over the fence on the side of the alleged victims.

Also, notice that the two women do not remember the date exactly the same. Very telling. If they'd made up a story, they'd have the date down. JMO

 

[Texas Mist]

That's horrific!! You rape two tiny little girls and them terrify them by telling them that they may drown in their sleep. It's details like this that cause me to be way over the fence on the side of the alleged victims.

Also, notice that the two women do not remember the date exactly the same. Very telling. If they'd made up a story, they'd have the date down. JMO

You posted exactly what I was thinking when I read the probable cause statement.

It reaffirms to me that those who have waited years to tell the dirty family secrets did have reason to be afraid. It doesn't take much for adult men to imprint terror on defenseless 4 & 5 y/o kids.

 

[Fairy1]

Wow! I can't believe the old b*s**advertiser censored*r* had the nerve to show up at that hearing AND speak to the media!

We may have to change the title of this thread....

 

[singers]

This is all just so awful, I'm surprised there has been no mention of any of the wives. If they knew and did nothing they should also be charged imo.

Some of these churches do make fertile ground for these things to happen.
1. Because they brainwash women to believe men are head of the house and have authority over the family. Many times the women don't believe they have any rights.
2. When you have the above situation - it gives room for abuse to occur and not be reported.

I don't think the Mormon church encourages this type of behaviour, but just creates an environment where some of these guys think it's ok and their right as head of the house. Other weird church off shoots from other religions can do the same thing.

 

[Missizzy]

The whispering, also. The truth is in the details. That's what hung my children's rapist.

 

[CHICANA]

This is all just so awful, I'm surprised there has been no mention of any of the wives. If they knew and did nothing they should also be charged imo.

Some of these churches do make fertile ground for these things to happen.
1. Because they brainwash women to believe men are head of the house and have authority over the family. Many times the women don't believe they have any rights.
2. When you have the above situation - it gives room for abuse to occur and not be reported.

I don't think the Mormon church encourages this type of behaviour, but just creates an environment where some of these guys think it's ok and their right as head of the house. Other weird church off shoots from other religions can do the same thing.

Grandma was alive when this happened. That might be why they went next door to 'Uncle Darrel's'. What floors me is that there wasn't a single one who wasn't repulsed enough to turn them in.

 

[pennydawn]

Family: Mo. child sex abuse claims are `repulsive'
By DAVID TWIDDY and BILL DRAPER – 2 hours ago

LEXINGTON, Mo. — Family members of five men charged in a bizarre child sex abuse case reacted with disbelief and sadness Thursday to the "unspeakable" string of alleged atrocities spanning two decades.

"It's unspeakable. I can't think of words that would put this in perspective. I find it repulsive if it's true," said Darrel Mohler, a brother of one of the five men charged
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Darrel Mohler, brother of Burrell Mohler Sr., said Thursday that he hasn't seen his brother for years and the two were never close. "I'm 72, and this kind of struck me right in the gut," he said.

Merrill Clark, 63, a cousin of Burrell Mohler Sr.'s, said he attended the men's hearing hoping to get a sense "of their guilt or innocence."

"But I went away not much better than I was before," said Clark, of Lenexa, Kan. "Burrell looks like a broken old man. ... His hearing aid wasn't turned up quite enough. He never looked at me."

Clark said he did, however, make eye contact with David Mohler.

"I wanted to cry, and he appeared to be about the same way," Clark said. "But again, was he glad to see me for support, or was he embarrassed to see me? I can't really believe it. But I know it could be true."

Clark said when he heard about the charges against the five men his "chin kind of hit the floor

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icSy8xJFicnYGfHRB1LFS2xAXAewD9BUD2DG0

And Darrel Mohler was arrested today, too.

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy, Are you commenting on the fact that they were volunteers, or that the church allows unpaid volunteers to work? Could you clarify? Thanks

No. I simply meant the church is moving awfully fast to distance themselves from these men. Joyce Meyer did the same thing when Christopher Coleman murdered his wife and children.

On this board, made up entirely of people who don't know these men at all, there are folks insisting that we don't rush to judgment. They're innocent until proven guilty. Yet here is their own church moving to disassociate from them - now.

 

[fran]

I started watching this case unfold from the beginning and I really don't know what to say about it. I guess we'll just have to wait until everything comes out. Wow, that other elder brother being arrested, that was a shocker. When I saw it today on here, I thought it was a mistake. Doesn't look like it though.

I get it about repressed memory and all that. So I know that this can be difficult to try if they don't have any 'evidence.' Hopefully they found some of those jars with notes. I'm praying they don't find any bodies, ......and that was just a story the men told the kids to scare them.

I do believe the accusers. I just don't know if they'll be able to prove it. I know, until trial, 'innocent until proven guilty.' But the men are still the 'accused' or 'alleged abusers.'

This is one of those cases you just stop and say, wth? What kind of people are these? Their own kids, their own grandchildren?

Good grief,

fran

 

[jjenny]

I found another article about the Miller case out of Oregon:

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/article_3a388056-b8f9-5ec5-9fa9-785e51355e0f.html

See some similarities:

"Statements from several of the children indicated that sexual contact between them occurred on a regular basis within the home, police said.
A search of the home Monday produced evidence supporting the children's' claims, according to police. Detectives found pornographic pictures, movies, marital-aid devices and the wedding dress reportedly worn by the 15-year-old girl, police said."

Pornographic pictures are not illegal and not evidence of anything unless it's child *advertiser censored*. Pornographic movies aren't illegal either. Marital-aid devices aren't illegal, and wedding dress could have been worn by anyone.
Allegations are there should be glass jars (with notes) and bodies. Have they found anything they allege should be there?

 

[Fairy1]

I started watching this case unfold from the beginning and I really don't know what to say about it. I guess we'll just have to wait until everything comes out. Wow, that other elder brother being arrested, that was a shocker. When I saw it today on here, I thought it was a mistake. Doesn't look like it though.

I get it about repressed memory and all that. So I know that this can be difficult to try if they don't have any 'evidence.' Hopefully they found some of those jars with notes. I'm praying they don't find any bodies, ......and that was just a story the men told the kids to scare them.

I do believe the accusers. I just don't know if they'll be able to prove it. I know, until then they're 'innocent until proven guilty.' But the men are still the 'accused' or 'alleged abusers.'

This is one of those cases you just stop and say, wth? What kind of people are these? Their own kids, their own grandchildren.

Good grief,

fran

Hiya Fran! It is a bizarre case, to be sure - and more so every day. If these men were the ones that suggested the jar messages, my guess is that they're all gone. I sure hope not because, you're right, it would be physical evidence much needed to support these claims.

The digging for bodies is what's really got me confounded. I really believe LE must have a very good reason for going to the expense of digging up that land.

 

[Missizzy]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.

The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.

If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?

 

[singers]

Grandma was alive when this happened. That might be why they went next door to 'Uncle Darrel's'. What floors me is that there wasn't a single one who wasn't repulsed enough to turn them in.

I'm still unclear as to whether the brothers were married at the time? Where were their wives? Has any one posted information on this?


The church is distancing itself from them so they don't get bad publicity. Pastors of churches and congregations are not responsible for peoples actions. However if they thought that they were innocent you woulf think they might stand by them.

 

[Fairy1]

Pornographic pictures are not illegal and not evidence of anything unless it's child *advertiser censored*. Pornographic movies aren't illegal either. Marital-aid devices aren't illegal, and wedding dress could have been worn by anyone.
Allegations are there should be glass jars (with notes) and bodies. Have they found anything they allege should be there?

CHILD *advertiser censored* is illegal. And we don't know what they've found, but they have made additional arrests.

We shall see what unfolds.

 

[cleo612]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.

The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.

If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?

I don't believe that Darrel showed up in court. The only family member in court was the cousin.

 

[Texas Mist]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.

The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.

If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?

maybe he was there to get a feel for how the rest of the gang was holding up...IOW, did they look cool, calm & collected -- or like they were on the verge of breaking down, and talking to LE, in turn incriminating others.

maybe he did think they looked 'weak', and that's what had his gut churning.

Also, thinking maybe it was a message to the vics -- that he was still free & unafraid in the presence of LE. Intimidation tactic.

 

[Missizzy]

jjenny--You are correct that "marital aids" and *advertiser censored* are not illegal (unless, as reported, they were used somehow to abuse the children). I believe that at least two of the girls in the family did report that they had worn a wedding dress when "marrying" their dad.

"When the girl was 13, the family staged the wedding, complete with white wedding dress."

Miller admitted to raping three girls and molesting a fourth. The mom admitted to raping her son. The son admitted to raping two sisters. There was a plea bargain and the mom and dad are both doing 20-25 years. I believe the boy has already been released but I'm not certain.

I just posted as I found the wedding dress connection odd.

A comment under one of the articles purports to be from one of the victims:

"Its like something people write movies about. And you think that nothing like this ever happens. Well it does and for me to think of those days with Colleen and Greg gives me the chills. And probably always will.
I am the oldest of those adoptive children and to think that maybe I could have been stronger to protect my brothers and sisters.
We are all seperated again living our life to the fullest, making up for the hurt if possible. Trying to make up school and learn to make friends again. Its not easy stuff at all. But we are all strong and I know this for all that we went through.
Yeah we were all mormons and stuff but really it just comes down to how sick they were. And the damage that thay have done not only to us that they had abused, but like Gregs children or Colleens children. Their parents and cousins and just everyone.
But please realize that Greg was not the only monster in it. But Colleen too and probably more so than Greg."

Note: This comment is available on the site I linked to but I will not post the name here. I've been told by a friend in child welfare that these children have different names now.

 

[Fairy1]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.

The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.

If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?

BBM - IMO, arrogance.