Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

[Peter Brendt]

@TKM: Do you know by chance, what kind of ID document it was? Because driver's licenses and most other IDs including picture credit cards are made form plastic. Just to wrap it up, by what kind of paper document was she identified. I looked in my wallet and found there like a dozen things, that would count as identification if my body would pop anywhere ... and none of them is paper.

Peter

 

[Jenny9]

@TKM: Do you know by chance, what kind of ID document it was? Because driver's licenses and most other IDs including picture credit cards are made form plastic. Just to wrap it up, by what kind of paper document was she identified. I looked in my wallet and found there like a dozen things, that would count as identification if my body would pop anywhere ... and none of them is paper.

Peter

well she didnt drive,so i would assume no drivers license,so her paper id would be social security card and maybe birth certificate.you see peter in ny those 2 pieces of id are still paper,just an fyi

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

@TKM: Do you know by chance, what kind of ID document it was? Because driver's licenses and most other IDs including picture credit cards are made form plastic. Just to wrap it up, by what kind of paper document was she identified. I looked in my wallet and found there like a dozen things, that would count as identification if my body would pop anywhere ... and none of them is paper.

Peter

Peter - I apologized to everyone stating - i didn't realize that the pristine paper identification found at the marsh - was private information - not public.
so i am NOT at any liberty to tell you what exactly was found at the scene.

On the other hand - i CAN tell you what it WASNT.

IT WAS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE - because shannan did not know how to drive.

and yes, I am in permanent contact with the family. I will tell you, as Jenny9 will tell you
and Truth spider will tell you - Mr. Brendt - there is information that the public has not found out
(yet) and if you had this information...you'd be singing a different tune....

but....its not ME that can release that information - its Mari and her lawyer and the Gilbert family,
as truthspider well knows.....



TKM

 

[Peter Brendt]

well she didnt drive,so i would assume no drivers license,so her paper id would be social security card and maybe birth certificate.you see peter in ny those 2 pieces of id are still paper,just an fyi

Since I have those documents too, I am aware, they are paper. And I am aware, people usually don't carry them around. So, honestly, how many people carry their birth certificates around if they don't plan to get themselves killed? And even then ...
That leaves the social security card. I have heard, some people really carry that thing around. Very few. You know, all these identity theft fears. But regularly it's somewhere in a safe box. So, I have to admit, the idea, that SG carried her SS card or her birth certificate, but no state id, no credit or debit card around with her that night sounds so "constructed".

Peter

 

[Peter Brendt]

Peter - I apologized to everyone stating - i didn't realize that the pristine paper identification found at the marsh - was private information - not public.
so i am NOT at any liberty to tell you what exactly was found at the scene.

On the other hand - i CAN tell you what it WASNT.

IT WAS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE - because shannan did not know how to drive.

and yes, I am in permanent contact with the family. I will tell you, as Jenny9 will tell you
and Truth spider will tell you - Mr. Brendt - there is information that the public has not found out
(yet) and if you had this information...you'd be singing a different tune....

but....its not ME that can release that information - its Mari and her lawyer and the Gilbert family,
as truthspider well knows.....



TKM

And by that, I'm out of this thread. You, Jenny9 and Truthspider claim, without evidence to have "private" information and are able by that, to spread any kind of technically impossible theory above any questioning. This isn't investigation, that is travesty, especially given how many Mari Gilberts run around since over a year in the internet.
See you back here when they got the guy.

Peter

 

[fred&edna]

(snipped by me... saving space)

I also find it odd that the police READ the Gilbert family a transcript of the 911 call and did NOT play the call for the family or the lawyer. This will be addressed in the 48 hours to come on tv in 2 weeks. Yup - you read it here folks - the POLICE DID NOT PLAY the 911 call for Gilbert family and attorney - they READ THEM A TRANSCRIPT.

how bizarre is THAT!!!! All you cops out there.... how often does THAT happen?

(more snips by me for space)
TKM
tkm

Can you tell us... What reason did LE give for not allowing the Gilbert family to actually HEAR the 911 call?? I think I'd still be camped out there... refusing to leave until I heard it. But, I guess I don't know what the family knows.

Thank you for sharing the info you have, although it makes me feel sad and sick and... mad!

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Can you tell us... What reason did LE give for not allowing the Gilbert family to actually HEAR the 911 call?? I think I'd still be camped out there... refusing to leave until I heard it. But, I guess I don't know what the family knows.

Thank you for sharing the info you have, although it makes me feel sad and sick and... mad!

ditto.
but i think hawkshaw is the one to answer this since he is a police man.
If he can.... tell us the theory.....of why the police read the gilbert family a transcript
of the 911 call...instead of letting them listen to it.

 

[Adler]

@TKM: Do you know by chance, what kind of ID document it was? Because driver's licenses and most other IDs including picture credit cards are made form plastic. Just to wrap it up, by what kind of paper document was she identified. I looked in my wallet and found there like a dozen things, that would count as identification if my body would pop anywhere ... and none of them is paper.

Peter

Quite right. I never realized how much plastic is in my wallet. Still, temporary health card is paper, as are the many business cards, fortune cookie messages, receipts, and pieces of paper with scribble scrabbles on them. We know that SG wrote poetry by hand. Somebody posted a poem of hers that was written on paper. Back to my own mess of a purse: checkbooks, letter to be mailed, stamps. And one pen. A calendar. Lip gloss. Key to office. Stamps. Kleenix. What a mess! lol

 

[dcgrumpy]

well she didnt drive,so i would assume no drivers license,so her paper id would be social security card and maybe birth certificate.you see peter in ny those 2 pieces of id are still paper,just an fyi

Most people that don't drive have a state issued ID, which is identical to a drivers license. SS cards and birth certificates aren't enough to use as ID since there is no photo.

 

[Aleph]

I agree and also want to add that JB refused to pay her. Which in effect he refused to pay Pak as well.

Yet Pak and Brewer seemed to have worked together very well.

 

[Jenny9]

Since I have those documents too, I am aware, they are paper. And I am aware, people usually don't carry them around. So, honestly, how many people carry their birth certificates around if they don't plan to get themselves killed? And even then ...
That leaves the social security card. I have heard, some people really carry that thing around. Very few. You know, all these identity theft fears. But regularly it's somewhere in a safe box. So, I have to admit, the idea, that SG carried her SS card or her birth certificate, but no state id, no credit or debit card around with her that night sounds so "constructed".

Peter

i always have my ss card,its a permanent fixture in my wallet.imo since sg moved around alot,she probably didnt feel safe leaving her "paper ids"where she was staying,imo,and she would need her bc and ss if she decided to get a non driver id card,those are what you would need.so if those were the paper docs that were found then maybe she ws planning to go to mv and get a non driver id.not all people get them either even if they dont have a liscense,i know i probably would carrie my bc with my ss if i didnt have any other form of id,imo:moo:

 

[Just K]

School registration & class schedules are often printed out on paper and carried about. Voter Registration Cards, some Insurance Cards, and Prescription cards are also printed on paper. For that matter, the labels on prescription bottles are still on paper but under adhesive. That paper is easily affected (the print smeared) by wetness, though.

PASSPORT Covers and inside Pages ARE STILL made of PAPER...not plastic.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Path train receipt?

 

[MrsPC]

@Adler
I mentioned it - when i was asking WHY MP said to GC that shannan was "in trouble now"
when GC told PK that he had just called the cops.

i dont understand
shannan had been on the phone with 911 - which SENDS COPS - 911 - dispatches cops to locations.... so shannan had been on 911 to get cops to help her because she felt her life was in danger.

why then - was MP's reaction to GC - OH SHE's IN A LOT OF TROUBLE NOW

and while we are at it.
i always had an immediate reaction to MK - when
he said in the A&E special - when he went into the john's house and shannan was screaming - into the 911 phone call - HE;s TRYING TO KILL ME - and she mentioned MP - P's reaction was "OH - YOU'RE TRYING TO SET ME UP"
that was his gut reaction
what kind of reaction is THAT? a WRONG reaction if you're telling the truth.

If there was danger in that household and MP knew it - he could have took her away - and drove her home. He didn't do that. He LEFT the house - while she was screaming for her life.

and last but not least
SG had her hyoid bones....the attorney for the Gilbert family would have made it known that she was missing those bones due to AD breaking SG's jaw. The attorney is not going to play games with the public and say - SHE WAS MISSING HER HYOID BONES .... he's trying to HELP the Gilbert family - not play smoke and mirrors.

I also find it odd that the police READ the Gilbert family a transcript of the 911 call and did NOT play the call for the family or the lawyer. This will be addressed in the 48 hours to come on tv in 2 weeks. Yup - you read it here folks - the POLICE DID NOT PLAY the 911 call for Gilbert family and attorney - they READ THEM A TRANSCRIPT.

how bizarre is THAT!!!! All you cops out there.... how often does THAT happen?

@Peter Brendt - you asked (adler?) how adler knew that SG had paper identification on her that was pristine.
I'm so sorry - I was told that by SG's mom. yup- from the mother herself. I will stop posting and just read, as it seems
that some things....are private ...and I thought the public knew -- so - i apologize to MG if she reads this.

TKM
tkm

if they did not actually listen to the 911 call, why then in Mari's attorney's press conference did he state that Gilbert "can be heard" screaming several times during the call?

did the transcript simply state - "screaming"

???

 

[Tugela]

I agree and also want to add that JB refused to pay her. Which in effect he refused to pay Pak as well.

You don't know that he refused to pay her. He said he didn't pay her, which is to be expected because if he said he did he would be confessing to a crime, and he probably isn't that stupid. So, he said he didn't pay her, therefore no crime. Since the only people who would know otherwise would be her and him, and she is dead, it is impossible to prove otherwise.

But the reality is that she would have expected payment when she walked through the door, so I think it is very likely that he did pay her. He just can't say it for obvious reasons.

Pak wouldn't know if JB did or didn't pay until SG came back to the car and paid him. And since she was flipping out when he came into the picture, he likely doesn't know at all.

 

[Tugela]

IT WAS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE - because shannan did not know how to drive.

Do you need to know how to drive to get a drivers license? Where I live you can get a drivers license that doesn't allow you to drive - people use it as ID.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

You don't know that he refused to pay her. He said he didn't pay her, which is to be expected because if he said he did he would be confessing to a crime, and he probably isn't that stupid. <b>So, he said he didn't pay her, therefore no crime.</b> Since the only people who would know otherwise would be her and him, and she is dead, it is impossible to prove otherwise.

But the reality is that she would have expected payment when she walked through the door, so I think it is very likely that he did pay her. He just can't say it for obvious reasons.

Pak wouldn't know if JB did or didn't pay until SG came back to the car and paid him. And since she was flipping out when he came into the picture, he likely doesn't know at all.

I imagine the same is true with respect to Brewer's statement that no sexual intercourse occurred between the two. I find that highly doubtful, given the amount of time SG spent at Brewer's. Is it possible Brewer is telling the truth? Sure. Is it likely? In my opinion, no.

 

[hawkshaw]

ditto.
but i think hawkshaw is the one to answer this since he is a police man.
If he can.... tell us the theory.....of why the police read the gilbert family a transcript
of the 911 call...instead of letting them listen to it.

1. The police wanted to spare the family the agony of listening to the voice of SG on the tape. I would like to believe that is the reason.

2. They didn't want the family to hear something on the tape.

3. Covering something up.

4. SG's tone of voice, etc, could have given the family clues as to what was really going on.

I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IT IS # 1 ABOVE.

NOTE* I was reading a transcript of an alleged murder confession. It was 20 pages long. I also had the videotape. I am watching the videotape and the suspect says something I didn't read it the transcript. I go back over both of them. This time I am following the video with the transcript. The time comes to the point where I find one page is missing. It is a critical part of the alleged confession. The big question is: Where did this page go missing and who did it and why. It could have been a simple mistake by the prosecutor of defense counsel. It is funny how these things always seem to happen. Yeah, real funny.

 

[BKS]

You don't know that he refused to pay her. He said he didn't pay her, which is to be expected because if he said he did he would be confessing to a crime, and he probably isn't that stupid. So, he said he didn't pay her, therefore no crime. Since the only people who would know otherwise would be her and him, and she is dead, it is impossible to prove otherwise.

But the reality is that she would have expected payment when she walked through the door, so I think it is very likely that he did pay her. He just can't say it for obvious reasons.

Pak wouldn't know if JB did or didn't pay until SG came back to the car and paid him. And since she was flipping out when he came into the picture, he likely doesn't know at all.

You are absolutely right. I would imagine, business is business, cash up front, no refunds.

 

[truthspider]

You are absolutely right. I would imagine, business is business, cash up front, no refunds.

Maybe the 15 minute ride JB and SG took when she first arrived was to see John #1 who agreed to pay for SG (and possibly pay JB a little) if JB brought her to OB. JB doesn't seem like he has the extra $450 or $1500 to actually pay an escort, and he didn't plan on taking his money back and killing her while her driver was outside.

JB was a proxy, and the killer didn't know SG was brought by her own driver. The killer was and is too wise to have done what he did had he known SG was brought to OB by her own driver.