Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #44

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Even though its a long way off, does anyone using this blog believe that Davis will put Gerard on the stand??

Personally, I cant see that happening , but I'd be interested in the reasons anyone else has if you think he will .

I cant believe that Gerard will be advised to stand in the box, but that is based on his one 'performance' with the lovely girl reporter.. for that reason, I dont think Davis would even contemplate advising Gerard to do it.. Gerard cannot be made to do so..

I'm not so sure Davis believes his client is innocent. He's not stupid and I felt like he was showing GBC at the Committal that your side of the story , being innocent, is impossible to defend. I'd say he's pretty sick of all the lies himself.
I bet he would love to get GBC up on the stand , and could very well advise him to do so. :floorlaugh: Davis might get some full on , narcissistic joy out of watching GBC under cross examination,.... scratching off caterpillars, changing light bulbs, sleeping,vacuuming, texting, making sandwiches,000 call, shaving , bleeding, maxing out CCards, pretending to be bruce etc. His final statement being" I'm just a little bit hurt about being guilty your honour! "
 
I will edit the phone records with the new info tomorrow.

I see now what you were getting at and I do apologize as I now see the two different numbers. Very similar and I actually thought they were the same number.If anyone else spotted anything that needs fixing let me Know. : )

Hey Curious please don't apologise as I said before-above and beyond. I couldn't have even attempted your research. I still say bloody well done! :rocker:
 
I'm not so sure Davis believes his client is innocent. He's not stupid and I felt like he was showing GBC at the Committal that your side of the story , being innocent, is impossible to defend. I'd say he's pretty sick of all the lies himself.
I bet he would love to get GBC up on the stand , and could very well advise him to do so. :floorlaugh: Davis might get some full on , narcissistic joy out of watching GBC under cross examination,.... scratching off caterpillars, changing light bulbs, sleeping,vacuuming, texting, making sandwiches,000 call, shaving , bleeding, maxing out CCards, pretending to be bruce etc. His final statement being" I'm just a little bit hurt about being guilty your honour! "

Lol :)
 
What a Whopper of a lie if girls were not home and indeed at NBC's, that puts the whole bloody lot of them in the S#$%...

Makes more sense for them not to be home, he took sausages for dinner did he not to NBC's, would be sensibable to give Allison some spare time in the morning...! girl awake making lunches dressed myself.......OH I hope we find out where the girls slept and what time they got home......

Help help us find that answer.....That would make it all over red rover!!!!!:what::what::what::banghead:

He speaks in the police transcript about S being the only one or the first one up from memory, others still in bed. I agree, if this is a lie and the girls weren't there, they are all in big trouble. What a cruel and horrible burden to place on the girls shoulders for the rest of their lives, if they have been coerced to lie about their whereabouts that night.
 
I think we're starting to get somewhere... things falling into place. Yes I know we don't know yet, but hey, things are beginning to make sense. :)
 
I would be surprised if there was any confrontations between TM and Allison that night or prior. From what I have read, if true, they were both confrontational to GBC but not to each other.

It is my gut feeling that had Allison lived to attend the conference, she and TM would have just ignored each other at it regardless of whether Allison knew in advance that she would be there.
 
I would be surprised if there was any confrontations between TM and Allison that night or prior. From what I have read, if true, they were both confrontational to GBC but not to each other.

It is my gut feeling that had Allison lived to attend the conference, she and TM would have just ignored each other at it regardless of whether Allison knew in advance that she would be there.

I can't see them having argued either.

One reason i thought of as to why TM may have been so tired after the conference is that she was up most of the night worried if Allison would be there. I don't think TM wanted to come face to face with her... remember how we think TM might have been a bit insecure, clingy etc? She was probably worried she'd have to see her the next day.
 
I agree entirely , if he killed her at home or she even screamed they would have told people for sure , but why does everyone on here say they were home , have I missed something ?????

True, but I think they would have told someone (the dickies) by now if they weren't home too . I believe they would have told there side to there grandparents and police would be well aware where they were that night , this I'm sure will all come out in the trial .
 
I would be surprised if there was any confrontations between TM and Allison that night or prior. From what I have read, if true, they were both confrontational to GBC but not to each other.

It is my gut feeling that had Allison lived to attend the conference, she and TM would have just ignored each other at it regardless of whether Allison knew in advance that she would be there.

I agree. It seems to be that Toni was afraid of being personally confronted by Allison.
 
True, but I think they would have told someone (the dickies) by now if they weren't home too . I believe they would have told there side to there grandparents and police would be well aware where they were that night , this I'm sure will all come out in the trial .
That's what I think. The girls would surely have told someone by now regardless of all their debriefing. I am also thinking it's a great piece of evidence the police have. Fingers crossed... and toes too. :)
 
I can't see them having argued either.

One reason i thought of as to why TM may have been so tired after the conference is that she was up most of the night worried if Allison would be there. I don't think TM wanted to come face to face with her... remember how we think TM might have been a bit insecure, clingy etc? She was probably worried she'd have to see her the next day.

Toni explains in one of her statements that when G told her that Allison was missing she immediately was worried that she would lose Gerald over it. She saw Allison as her direct competitor in a war for Gerald. She was not secure in her relationship with Gerald. Initially, she thought Allison had run off or similar. She thought that whatever Allison had done, it would pull Gerald back to his wife. She had no idea, until a friend called her, how serious the situation was. How Toni must have feared and hated Allison.
 
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Hopefully the debriefing didn't take over. I'm sure the truth came out whatever it was. :)
 
Just checking in quickly from the Tassie Highlands via 3G.

The height of the bridge to the point where Allison was found is probably about 7 m give or take a little bit. The 14m referred to in the autopsy report is the maximum height of the bridge over the middle of the creek.

And if she was totally relaxed - as in... dead... and landed in the tidal mud plus a couple of hundred mm of water on the high tide, then there is every chance that there would be no broken bones. And of course we know that there were none. That little bit of water would also explain how the lower half of her body got washed around so that her feet were pointing back under the bridge, on the "bounce" wave that would have come back from the opposite bank, and before she got stuck into the tidal mud after the tide went down.

In all the years of my career, it has never ceased to amaze me just how severe an impact a totally relaxed body can withstand with no damage. Drunks fall down and do no major damage at all - yet you or I falling exactly the same way - but sober - would break a wrist, for example, by trying to break our fall.

The moral of the story, of course, is to stay drunk and you won't break too many bones.... and no hangover either... (facetious joke only) ;)

OK - back to the fishing etc. Will be home in Brisbane on the weekend (Easter) and back on good old broadband.

So he must have disposed of her at the creek reasonably quickly ? Within a few hours - so got assistance quickly too one would have to assume ? Hmmm!
 
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I wish we could fast forward for this case only, but also don't wish to as that would mean missing out on my own beautiful kids growing up over the next year plus. Hopefully that makes sense?
 
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Toni explains in one of her statements that when G told her that Allison was missing she immediately was worried that she would lose Gerald over it. She saw Allison as her direct competitor in a war for Gerald. She was not secure in her relationship with Gerald. Initially, she thought Allison had run off or similar. She thought that whatever Allison had done, it would pull Gerald back to his wife. She had no idea, until a friend called her, how serious the situation was. How Toni must have feared and hated Allison.

This type of woman sickens me to the core.
I don't care if you love someone else's husband, he's taken, get over it & go find a man who has no happy home you can wreck.
I wonder why TM & her partner really broke up.
 
Allison Baden-Clay Phone records.
Billing period 23rd March - 23rd April.
Please note that the Origin of the call would really depend on which tower the phone is pinging from as previously discussed by Doc Watson.

Added note- When I first searched the phone number 0439820631 it came up as Century 21 so I had assumed this was Gerards mobile number.
When I just went to check again the number is not coming up anywhere. I will write it down as Gerard's number and hope that I'm right!He seems to have a lot of phones!

23rd March - Friday
444pm Phone was used to call a taxi from Chapel Hill(yellow cabs) 1min34sec
547pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Mt Cootha. 1min 4sec
550pm Phone was used to call her parents from Mt Cootha. 1min
24th March - Saturday
114pm Phone was used to call 0439701108 from Jindalee 56sec (See note below)
115pm Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Gerard) from Figtree pocket. 1min 20sec
135pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Alice Street(CBD). 1 min 28 sec
355pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Brisbane CBD. 23sec
356pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Brisbane CBD.24sec
408pm Phone was used to call a lady(Initials MS) I assume she may be a friend. 7 sec

25th March - Phone did not appear to be used. - Sunday

26th March - Monday
921am Phone was used to call a private training studio in Kenmore.(Name Graham Healy) 1min 24sec (http://www.movementsfitness.com.au/) 1min 24
953am Phone was used to call 0438625251 which is listed as the Baden-Clay Kenmore number.(Perhaps Nigel) 46sec
209pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Indro South. 8min 53sec
232pm Phone was used to call 0435 898 142(?) from Brookfield. 1min 24sec. Optus.
27th March - Tuesday
1002am Phone was used to call a number listed under Baden-Clay Real Estate Pty Ltd so assume office or Gerard.(0400456100) from Bfield. 2min24sec
1148am Phone was used to call Relationships Australia from Valley West. 2min 57sec.
154pm Phone was used to call her parents from Wharf St. 36sec
28th March - Wednesday
130pm Phone was used to call her parents from Kenmore. 2min 59sec
150pm Phone was used to call 0424282608(?) from Figtree Pocket. 3min 45sec.Vodaphone
331pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Kenmore. 2min 36sec
338pm Phone was used to call Brookfield home from Kenmore. 2min 15sec
444pm Phone was used to call 0401348994(?) from Kenmore. 2min 14sec.Optus
29th March - Thursday
947am Phone was used to call the Century 21 office from Mt Cootha. 27sec.
323pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Kenmore. 57sec
30th March - Friday
131pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Valley West. 37sec
146pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Valley Central. 15sec
209pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Valley Central. 1min 26sec
214pm Phone was used to call Century 21 Office from Albert Park. 52sec
216pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Lang Park. 2min 8sec
219pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Milton East. 35sec
625pm Phone was used to call 0401348994(?) from Fig Tree Pocket. 5sec
627pm Phone was used to call 0401348994(?) from Pullenvale. 37sec
31st March - Saturday
1203pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Mt Crosby. 3sec
1209pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Mt Crosby. 1min 3sec
1232pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Pullenvale. 12sec
253pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Brookfield. 6sec
1st April - Sunday
1042am Phone was used to call Gerard from Southbank. 26sec

2nd of April phone did not appear to be used. - Monday

3rd April - Tuesday
913am Phone was used to call Century 21 office from Brookfield. 49sec.
1047am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach. 1min 43sec
232pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm beach. 1min 13sec
236pm Message received into message bank from BC mobile.
356pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Paradise Point. 32sec
4th April - Wednesday
821am Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 23sec
534pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Kenmore. 21sec.
5th April - Thursday
844am Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 3min
848am Phone was used to call Baden clay mobile from Taringa Central. 1min 50sec
1044am Phone was used to call Gerard from Kenmore. 56sec
110pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 21sec
356pm Phone was used to call 0429 377 160 from Palm Beach. 26sec.Can't find any info on this number
511pm Phone was used to call Gerard from West Burleigh. 6sec
512pm Phone was used to call Gerard from West Burleigh. 30sec
6th April - Friday (Good Friday)
723am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach.50sec
845am Phone was used to call the Dickies from Palm Beach. 9min 11 sec
858am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm beach. 38sec
201pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach. 24sec
7th April - Saturday (Easter Sat)
1137am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach. 1sec
1137am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach. 43sec
1228pm Phone was used to call Gerard from West Burleigh. 7sec
1243pm Phone was used to call Gerard from West Burleigh. 49sec
521pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Elanora. 22sec
8th April - Easter Sunday
944am Phone was used to call Gerard from Palm Beach. 5min 14sec

9th April Phone did not get used. - Easter Monday

10th April - Tuesday
906am Phone was used to call Baden-Clay's from Brookfield. 59sec
1154am Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 2min51sec
335pm Phone was used to call Gerard from St Lucia. 34sec
405pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 29sec
409pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Toowong. 5 sec
410pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Toowong. 1min 18
503pm Phone was used to call Epic hair design from Toowong. 1min 59sec
11th April - Wednesday
1153am Phone was used to call Gerard from Mt Cootha. 47sec
453pm Phone was used to call Baden-Clay's from Spring Hill. 46sec
12th April phone was not used. - Thursday

13th April - Friday
954am Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 1min46sec
1029am Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 42sec
332pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Taringa Central. 3min 4sec
528pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Toowong. 33sec
14th April - Saturday
1234pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Brookfield. 1min 23sec

15th April phone was not used. - Sunday

16th April - Monday
951am Phone was used to call 0424985185 from Brookfield. 52sec.Can't find any info on this number
17th April - Tuesday
928am Phone was used to call Olivia from Coronation Drive. 47sec
236pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Indro. 35sec
238pm Message received from Gerard.
18th April. - Wednesday
210pm Phone was used to call 0427361899 from Brookfield. 2min Can't find any info on this number.It is a Telstra number.
213pm Phone was used to call Century 21 office from Brookfield. 1min29sec
255pm Phone was used to call Baden-Clay's from Brookfield. 26sec
423pm Phone received a message from 0417333547. Can't find any info on this number
425pm Phone was used to call 0424282608 from Kenmore. 3min 41sec Can't find any info on this number.
19th April - Thursday
855am Phone was used to call Gerard from Brookfield. 3min 40sec
438pm Phone was used to call Epic hair design from Taringa Central. 52sec
501pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Fig Tree Pocket. 22sec
626pm Phone was used to call Home from Chapel Hill. 1 sec
627pm Phone was used to call Gerard from Chapel Hill. 21 sec
828pm Phone was used to call Olivia from Brookfield. 1min 1 sec.


***24th March
114pm Phone was used to call 0439701108 from Jindalee 56sec (See note below)
The phone number is associated with this website - http://www.prlog.org/11902876-helpi...ocused-on-helping-kids-cope-with-divorce.html Now I'm not implying anything about a divorce, the lady and Allison may have just been friends. MOO



The catching a cab from Chapel Hill has me intrigued.

Thanks to Makara for providing me with some phone numbers :)
Hopefully somehow we can figure out the rest of the missing numbers.

Sorry it's an extremely long post. I reread it numerous times, I hope there are no mistakes but my eyes are tired.

Thanks so much for doing this Curious - fantastic summary!

Re the phone call on the 24th, I wonder if this was a personal or professional phone call too. Kid's support during divorce would fit with the Pathways program, if in fact Allison was pursuing this as a job or interest. Or was Allison friends with her as you stated? The lady who has written this ebook is also a child safety officer/dept of communities, so again it could be a personal contact or professional contact - was it related to pathways or her family's life?

Interesting and I'm very curious...
 
Thanks so much for doing this Curious - fantastic summary!

Re the phone call on the 24th, I wonder if this was a personal or professional phone call too. Kid's support during divorce would fit with the Pathways program, if in fact Allison was pursuing this as a job or interest. Or was Allison friends with her as you stated? The lady who has written this ebook is also a child safety officer/dept of communities, so again it could be a personal contact or professional contact - was it related to pathways or her family's life?

Interesting and I'm very curious...

Okay, found something else out but as we can't sleuth this person, I will just say that there could be a connection through the school.....
 
I dont think it was premeditated . Just will leave kids with BC s and then can have it out with Allison and tell her about TM and the conference , did that and all hell broke loose and we know the rest ,IMOO

I dont have any doubt about planning a murder....he could and would not even with TM on his case......it just happened as so many have said out of anger etc... and I think Allison might have been trying to help solve the problems.....financial with insurance money...but something got out of hand that night....as much as we all love Allison....she was only human and could only take so much....I would have been so angry about so much that went on....and one thing lead to another is my guess.....He killed her.....the rest is what we strive to find out.....I totally believe he killed Allison...one way or another....guilty. I would not blame her for a second to go off at GBC....just a tradgic ending.......:banghead:
 
TM states in her statement she met GBC when she listed her home with C21 in either 2005 or 2006. Rather odd not to know for sure what year you listed your home for sale.

She also claims she and GBC didn't talk about Allison, however she continues her statement describing Allison's depression and the medication she took whilst on an OS trip with GBC, not bad considering they didn't talk about Allison.

She also states from February 2012 when the relationship was rekindled, she made contact with GBC several times per week, from that we are to assume GBC didn't make contact with her LOL. During this time they agreed not to have an intimate relationship, they may have agreed, but I bet they broke that agreement. LOL

She also states that in March 2012 Allison was aware GBC intended leaving her to be with TM.

She said whilst speaking to GBC on the Thursday night the phone cut out, so she called him back. To me her statement appeared to be a deliberate alibi for GBC. Why bother to include he bought sausages for the girls tea, and the children were in the pool, and she heard someone talking in the background?? A little orchestrated to my way of thinking..
 
If I remember correctly, the afternoon that GBC was arrested, almost simultaneously the girls were removed from the school by Court order (Family Court) and taken to a special children's unit of the Police, while they waited for the Dickies to come up from the Gold Coast and pick the girls up to take temporary care of them until their care was decided by the Family Court later. I seriously doubt the girls were interviewed at that point in time ... you can't just interview minors without following certain procedures.

Also, young children who are growing up in homes were there is domestic violence or a lot of arguing as a regular way of life, are terrified of the abuser and would hide under their pillows rather than coming out of their bedrooms to try and stop the parents fight. I watched a true criminal case on TV, where a young little boy saw through his ajar bedroom door, the father carrying a big sports bag, dragging it down the stairs and putting it in the boot. The boy later described this in a drawing with psychologist, indicating that he knew the bag contained his mother's body. Even knowing this at the time it was happening, he did not leave his room nor did he do anything to stop the father or call for help or anything. He was about 6-7 at the time.

IMO if the girls were home that night, and they did hear fighting, they would have stayed in their room terrified. Have they told the Dickies what they know, if they witness/heard something? I believe they probably would have and it might be in a statement that we are not aware of.

All my opinion.
 
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