Thank you for your indepth take, always informative. I was hoping Paulap could give it some thought.
JLM: What Do We Know About Him?
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Thank you for your indepth take, always informative. I was hoping Paulap could give it some thought.
Sorry, but I just haven't been able to keep up with this case. The last thing I saw was the press conference with the strange police chief. At that time, I was not sure they had any actual evidence against JM. Several posters were talking about the words the police chief used and about it sounding sort of like a preacher's sermon. So, since that time, does everyone believe that JM did in fact kidnap Hannah?
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there definitely are lots of people who live "off the grid" these days, and they usually own lots of land. they are just the people we need to have searching their acreage. I have close family that choose to raise their kids on the side of a mountain and homeschool. they have a house etc. and go to the grocery an hour and a half away once a week after Church. they have only channels that they can catch with bunny ears. they do have a computer and the internet, so they aren't completely off the grid, but the computer is mainly used for blogging in order to keep in touch with family out of state. they live in Tennessee, and once I brought up Holly Bobo, and they had never heard of her. They aren't too far from where Holly was found, yet their 25 acres weren't searched. They have creeks and boulders and little cave like areas formed by the boulders. All perfect places to hide a body.
My point is, it would be a great idea for door to door flyers posted on these homes that are in the middle of "no where" with nothing around them but their beautiful land.
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ABSOLUTELY. Also, they have "forensic evidence" linking Jesse to a rape in Fairfax and Morgan Harrington.
There's no way of knowing where exactly he received his ticket for no plates? Why would anyone take off their lic, plates? One reason could be that you're parked somewhere you don't want to be identified. You get done doing what you've done, but forget to replace the plates. He may have been near somewhere significant and leaving.
Re the BBM: he changed his Fbook profile picture to a black square around 3pm (Eastern time), Saturday 9/20, shortly after the Daily Mail named him as the "guy with dreadlocks" (as we were referring to him at the time) in the video.
I mentioned at the time (on a general discussion thread), when people were wondering why he didn't just delete his picture, that the black square as profile picture has been used several times on Fbook/other social media for various campaigns for justice and/or awareness.
IMO, it's not an indication of how smart/intelligent or dumb/unintelligent he is, rather a (probably poorly thought out) "statement".
FWIW, & from memory, that afternoon the number of his friends plummeted from nearly 400, down to double digits, then went back up to the high 300s, over the space of a few hours. I DON'T Know what that might mean, & didn't openly speculate on it at the time; I did wonder if he was un- friending people, who then re-friended him. I don't know whether it's relevant or important to the discussion
JMO, the no plates ticket *could* be completely innocuous: once upon a time, when I used to drive very junky old cars, I got ticketed for this. Slammed trunk closed on my rust bucket, didn't notice that plate fell off. Drove off & got pulled over in short order. Got ticket, went back to starting point, found plate on the ground.
Dumb? Yep, very. Criminal intent? Nah.
I'm not in anyway defending JM here, just pointing out that sometimes we get hung up on the details
. IMO, and experience (yes, unfortunately), people with nefarious motives will switch plates (eg stolen ones) on their car, but not drive without a plate.oops...
Paulap if you are able clear out your private message box. It is full.
I feel that he had access to other vehicles and perhaps eve used other people's vehicles to transport evidence & possibly victims. Perhaps he had access to unregistered cars. We know another high profile convict did.
just wondering why?
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:wagon:N'villelights!
Wonder if JM ever dumped items off in the trash of venues he frequented?
Also wondering if any searches have occurred after dark, in order to see/guess what and where a perp might see at night.
Maybe under flashlight in the dark, sparkles on H's top, might be visible..imo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/uva-kidnap-jesse-leroy-matthew_n_5929602.html
"A night owl, Matthew was a fixture in restaurants, bars and clubs along Charlottesville's Downtown Mall. Another club-goer, Kirk Ishitani, says he sometimes ran into Matthew there.
"If I went to Rapture, either he'd be there or he'd show up,"
bbm.
Also wondering if any searches have occurred after dark, in order to see/guess what and where a perp might see at night.
Maybe under flashlight in the dark, sparkles on H's top, might be visible..imo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/uva-kidnap-jesse-leroy-matthew_n_5929602.html
"A night owl, Matthew was a fixture in restaurants, bars and clubs along Charlottesville's Downtown Mall. Another club-goer, Kirk Ishitani, says he sometimes ran into Matthew there.
"If I went to Rapture, either he'd be there or he'd show up,"
bbm.
The move out of the apartment had been scheduled a while back. My guess is that he did not even pay attention to the news as he didn't seem to make a run for it, or do much of anything until LE showed up with a warrent for his car and seized it, his phone and a bunch of other things. He left with his roommates and the enxt day went to LE and demanded an attorney. Left without talking to LE, after talking to a lawyer, no doubt on the advice of the lawyer, and then did his reckless driving thing, no doubt against the advice of any lawyer or reasonable person. Of course, he'd do what he could to his FB page. Whether innocent or guilty, the time of traffic one gets on social media when in the national spotlight makes that advisable. Probably got a bunch of nasty remarks.
If anyone told him to make a run for it, that person gave bad advice. Doubt it was the lawyer. Most likely the lawyer told him to sit tight, not talk to anyone and keep a low profile. Probably sheer impulse, which is what seems to be a driving force with him. That little though went into it is evident in how fast he was caught.
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AFAIK, when you are asked to come into the police department for 'questioning', you can't 'demand' a court appointed lawyer. AFAIK, you are entitled to a court appointed lawyer only once you are arrested, and have requested one due to financial need. But even then, it's through the court system, at your first hearing (like the one we saw on video in TX).
I believe he already has someone as his 'go-to' lawyer. He seemed to have a lawyer prior to his taking off, and waived a court appointed attorney in Texas.
ETA: He may have 'demanded' an attorney once the questioning started, but it would have been demanding to speak to his own attorney.
this, i too, believe
Apparently, JM did demand an attorney when he went into the police station. What happened has been told by Longo and MSM as well as on this forum. You can demand whatever, doesn't mean you will get any of it. LE wanted to talk to him badly enough that they did work with him and got an attorney to consult with him. Which is the attorney who is now representing him. No, he was not entitled to get a court appointed lawyer since he had no charges levied against him.
If he had someone as his "go to lawyer" that was not brought up and the attorney he spoke to when he went to the police station, now his attorney of record did not represent JM previously. He was represented by counsel in his various other infractions of the law, but none of those lawyers are in the picture here.
Though he did not get a court appointed attorney, the lawyer that was called in for him, now his attorney of record for t Hannah Graham related charges, probably gave him a free consultation, not unusual for a first meeting. But no info that JM retained him then. That apparently happened later from news that was released when he had run off and before he was caught in Texas
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I'm pretty sure this lawyer was Camblos. I'll have to go dig around here in a second to find the links. But I'm nearly positive that Camblos stated- on the record- that HE was the att'y that JM spoke to when he went to the police station that first time. Before he tore out of town. I'll go search around to find links...
This is meant to be in response to someone asking the question, "why didn't he leave sooner?"
I am wondering if LE is not too invested in LJM at this time, and not pursuing other leads. Or, maybe they are, and the apparent forensic evidence linking to past cases is a plant to ferret out another perp. Who knows. This may be an unpopular thought, but what if this boils down to LJ seeing the writing on the wall...and thinks he's yet another black man that will go down for something he did not do -again. Cruising for chicks one night, the next being called a rapist, kidnapper and murderer? In fact lost his college career over some allegations that were never substantiated to the best of my knowledge(feel free to correct me). I understand that he has a past that is tied to alleged SA, but no convictions. It wouldn't be the first time a black man was unjustly accused. Therefore, let's just say he did try to pick up the girl, thought he had a chance due to her being drunk, smooth talk her, impress her with going to an upscale bar, etc., he was seen on security, he tried to do the right thing by stepping forward (going to police), then decided, wth, I can't deal with this crap, they're gonna frame me, I'm outta here. That's why he drove recklessly (pizzed off), waited to leave, to get away from the perceived BS. Maybe he is talking, but they aren't telling. LE has no obligation to release case sensitive information. Maybe they aren't telling, b/c he really does not know anything other than his failed attempt to "pick up" the girl. Maybe just maybe another person stepped in after Tempo sighting outside. Maybe he is being strong-armed by LE and said screw this, I need to get away and calm my azz down. Meanwhile, the court of public opinion has taken on a life of its own, and just as he suspected, he is being persecuted for this. Just a thought or three.
I am wondering if LE is not too invested in LJM at this time, and not pursuing other leads. Or, maybe they are, and the apparent forensic evidence linking to past cases is a plant to ferret out another perp. Who knows. This may be an unpopular thought, but what if this boils down to LJ seeing the writing on the wall...and thinks he's yet another black man that will go down for something he did not do -again. Cruising for chicks one night, the next being called a rapist, kidnapper and murderer? In fact lost his college career over some allegations that were never substantiated to the best of my knowledge(feel free to correct me). I understand that he has a past that is tied to alleged SA, but no convictions. It wouldn't be the first time a black man was unjustly accused. Therefore, let's just say he did try to pick up the girl, thought he had a chance due to her being drunk, smooth talk her, impress her with going to an upscale bar, etc., he was seen on security, he tried to do the right thing by stepping forward (going to police), then decided, wth, I can't deal with this crap, they're gonna frame me, I'm outta here. That's why he drove recklessly (pizzed off), waited to leave, to get away from the perceived BS. Maybe he is talking, but they aren't telling. LE has no obligation to release case sensitive information. Maybe they aren't telling, b/c he really does not know anything other than his failed attempt to "pick up" the girl. Maybe just maybe another person stepped in after Tempo sighting outside. Maybe he is being strong-armed by LE and said screw this, I need to get away and calm my azz down. Meanwhile, the court of public opinion has taken on a life of its own, and just as he suspected, he is being persecuted for this. Just a thought or three.
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