DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[clearskies1]

Thoughts on Pending Evidence:

-- Police say they located a lot of video -- so far we only saw the short clip of person running in the parking lot.
-- Latent Fingerprint on water bottle at the crime scene.
-- Prosecutor says they will be unsealing search warrants. We know they searched house where DW lived. Did they get a search warrant for W-1's cellphone?
-- Amerit Fleet Solutions (box truck) said they are cooperating with LE.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks- makes sense. I do still wonder how DW and others originally got to the house, though. Metro isn't too far away, but did him and "others" all arrive that way? I ride the Metro every day, so I am just trying to convince myself that a pack of people about to take a family hostage wouldn't take the Metro... better for my peace of mind

Since there have been no further arrests I wouldn't be surprised that if in the end it only shows by supported evidence Wint was the only one inside their home at the time of the hostage/murders.

imo

 

[Cassie P]

This guy is most experienced as a go-kart "race car driver". He has limited experience racing other cars and calling himself a race-car driver reeks of delusions of grandeur, IMHO. He has set up a number of entities in the last few years: Race Haus, J.T. Wa***** Racing and Broke Racing Club, made videos of his efforts to break into racing... He exhibits a high degree of narcissism.

http://www.racehausmotorsports.com/
http://www.jtwallaceracing.com/
http://www.brokeracersclub.com/

I would place money on him being involved.

Two of SS's employees are attention seekers who exhibit narcissism, poor judgement, immaturity, preoccupation with material/money. They have the mindset that would be prone to the manipulations of a psychopath like DW, who is able gather a group of minions around him to do his bidding, e.g. the circus parade of vehicles and people upon arrest.
That said, they could be innocent of any wrong doing, but at the very least they probably would not be of any great assistance to SS during his dire hour of need.

 

[HastingsChi]

The best clue that others were intimately involved in the kidnapping/murders: With $40K DW would have traveled elsewhere after learning that cops were closing in, but he went back to Maryland (which makes no sense at all, unless his cut of the money was small)

 

[fred&edna]

I guess CNN and NBC can duke it out. I wonder if the different agencies involved in this investigation are all in agreement? Generally PG County (where the video was taken) and DC police work well (and often) together but I think there are some other LE groups in the mix.

The person (with hoodie) on video, running from scene of burning car was, yes, identified as DDW.

The person with "short, well-groomed hair" (described* by W-3 (IIRC)) was never identified as DDW nor anyone else.

The news report I quoted said, "authorities may have linked" (so, yes, this is appears to be the derived opinion of the writer). I guess my point was that this writer came to the same conclusions/opinions as several WS members - who think there were two different people - one person with short, well-groomed hair who drove the car erratically from the home, and another wearing a hoodie, running from scene of burned Porsche.

 

[birpu]

If the Mosler was the target of this thing all along, it kind of makes the lie about it being locked/unlocked a little more interesting. Maybe Mr. car-braggert let it out that Mr. S had one in his garage and he knew where the key was.
Were they after the key? Was the price for the key $20,000?
OK I'm off this site for a while. Gotta pull weeds.

To add one more thing to my post, if W-1's role was to drive the Mosler somewhere and stash it for the perps to get later - maybe he just took the dough and figured it would be his word against the perps where the money went. The perps may have thought he completed his part of the deal and were going back to get the car. Murder may never have been part of the deal. Hey, it's a theory that would explain a few things...
bye

 

[Russian Blue]

Defense spinning story - 101

[video]http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/21/us/dc-house-fire-money-motive/[/video]


Okie Dokey Mr. Defense atty, we agree that the pizza was later in a dumpster, but that was an evidence collection dumpster for the forensics folks perhaps sir as shown in this screen cap



http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/05/22/ac-pkg-field-dc-family-murder-pizza-crust-dna-lab.cnn/video/playlists/4-killed-in-d-c-mansion/
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I agree a lawyer spinning things but lets not confuse things, the pizza was found in the bedroom where the 3 deceased adults were held.

 

[thinksalot]

The best clue that others were intimately involved in the kidnapping/murders: With $40K DW would have traveled elsewhere after learning that cops were closing in, but he went back to Maryland (which makes no sense at all, unless his cut of the money was small)

That's what I'm thinking... Maybe he only got part of that money ... Then again, maybe he owed other people big time and had to pay up real fast ....

My question is why would Witness 1 (assistant) send a photo at about 9 a.m. of the day of the murders to W-2 (housecleaner?) of the money taken out of the bank, as said in the charging papers? Also, the photo was only of two bundles of cash but the charging papers says that there were four bundles given to him ... See page 8.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/charging-papers-against-daron-wint/1558/

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Did Phillip really have a concussion? When did it occur and where? Was the school notified, at what time. When was Phillip last seen by reliable witnesses?

Amy appears to be a mother who would seek medical attention if her child had received a head injury necessitating missing school. This can be verified with local ERs and Phillip's pediatrician.

That's one of the things that makes me think the kidnapping had been going on longer than reported. Unless there is proof that Philip was taken to a doctor, I'd think that was just one of the ruses the kidnappers were using. Concussions are very serious things and there can be even more serious things if it isn't a concussion. I don't see that the family was religiously opposed to medical treatment and they've got the money to have a concierge doctor come over even if they didn't want to go to the hospital. Natasha Richardson died from a head injury while skiing, which in that case it looked like she was fine not someone who was in the condition Philip was stated to be in having to miss school due to it, so I can't see them just leaving their son to home care without a doctor consultation after a traumatic brain injury that was so serious as to miss school.

 

[Russian Blue]

Another thought has entered my mind. If the one who drove the car (perhaps was/was not defendant) didn't wear a bright green vest, that car may not necessarily have been connected so strongly or at all to this case as those same bright green vests were found in the S's garage.

:moo: Another strike for "not so smart" criminal.

And/or why would he even think to wear a green vest? What profession wears a green vest, that perhaps in his mind was made to look like he was blending in? :thinking:. Why did he put it on?

When people wear those vests the immediate thought is oh he/ she is some type of worker. Puts others at ease, unsuspecting. . .

 

[Dushi]

That's what I'm thinking... Maybe he only got part of that money ... Then again, maybe he owed other people big time and had to pay up real fast ....

My question is why would Witness 1 (assistant) send a photo at about 9 a.m. of the day of the murders to W-2 (housecleaner?) of the money taken out of the bank, as said in the charging papers? Also, the photo was only of two bundles of cash but the charging papers says that there were four bundles given to him ... See page 8.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/charging-papers-against-daron-wint/1558/

Please pardon me as I have missed many pages.
Do we know that W2 was HK?

 

[fred&edna]

Just clarifying my thoughts/reasoning.

LE has never released video nor made any statements identifying the person who drove the Porsche away from the Savopoulos home.

FAIK it could be the SAME person who was on video running from the Porsche. BUT, reading the court documents... quoting the witness... it's an EASY assumption (IMO) that there were two DIFFERENT people.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

The best clue that others were intimately involved in the kidnapping/murders: With $40K DW would have traveled elsewhere after learning that cops were closing in, but he went back to Maryland (which makes no sense at all, unless his cut of the money was small)

These idiots always return 'to the scene of the crime' for some reason.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Des anyone know is Phillip went to school on Weds?

 

[thinksalot]

Des anyone know is Phillip went to school on Weds?

You can Google and find multiple msm outlets saying he stayed home from school.

Philip Savopoulos was in fourth grade at St. Albans. Friends say he traveled around the country racing go-karts and was home from school, recovering from a concussion, the day before the murders occurred.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/u...t-is-suspect-in-savopoulos-killings.html?_r=0

 

[thinksalot]

Please pardon me as I have missed many pages.
Do we know that W2 was HK?

Some other WS people were surmising that on previous threads, but I have not seen it reported. That is why I put the question mark.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Des anyone know is Phillip went to school on Weds?

It's been reported that he missed school on at least that Wednesday.

 

[Isabelle]

This guy is most experienced as a go-kart "race car driver". He has limited experience racing other cars and calling himself a race-car driver reeks of delusions of grandeur, IMHO. He has set up a number of entities in the last few years: Race Haus, J.T. Wa***** Racing and Broke Racing Club, made videos of his efforts to break into racing... He exhibits a high degree of narcissism.

http://www.racehausmotorsports.com/
http://www.jtwallaceracing.com/
http://www.brokeracersclub.com/

I would place money on him being involved.

Agree. I think we will be seeing more of him before long.

 

[jjenny]

Just clarifying my thoughts/reasoning.

LE has never released video nor made any statements identifying the person who drove the Porsche away from the Savopoulos home.

FAIK it could be the SAME person who was on video running from the Porsche. BUT, reading the court documents... quoting the witness... it's an EASY assumption (IMO) that there were two DIFFERENT people.

One person seen driving away in a green vest. One person seen running away from the burning car. Partially burned green vest found in the car.
I am just curious how it could be two different people.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is another article from today:

Wint may not be only Savopoulos murders suspect
WUSA9, 11:03 a.m. EDT May 25, 2015
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loc...y-suspect-in-savopoulos-murder-case/27908985/

Hines told us, "...Wint worked there, like, 10 years ago so there has to be some connection to someone that Wint knows that's working there now that was able to give the details to know about the money and that they could get the money delivered to the house."