NY - Rita Tangredi, 31, and Colleen McNamee, 20, murdered, 1993-94, John Biltroff *GUILTY* - #2

Maybe Burke is selling sick *advertiser censored* which includes child *advertiser censored* and perhaps snuff? Both deeply evil.

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When he was arrested he was owed several hundred thousand dollars for unused holidays etc. His salary was ridiculously high. He probably had some financial interest in the recreational drug industry as well as who knows what other financial projects. *advertiser censored* of any kind would not be that lucrative for him. Considering that it was in his work bag, it seems like he either got it in some way associated with his job or was going to use it in some way associated with his job or both. It's hard to imagine that he had simply brought illegal *advertiser censored* and sex toys to work to entertain himself.
 
Getting back to the Bittrolff case briefly, it's interesting that the same detectives that 'solved' the Tankleff solved another case with odd similarities to the murder Bittrolff was convicted of.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/21/n...mit-blood-in-killing-of-long-island-girl.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/14/nyregion/landscaper-charged-in-killing-of-girl-14.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/18/n...-25-years-to-life-for-killing-of-girl-14.html

A 19-year-old Suffolk County man was ordered today to submit blood samples to the police in the killing of Jessica Manners, a 14-year-old Stony Brook girl whose nude body was found on a rocky embankment a few miles from her home on March 26.
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Investigators are examining Mr. Loliscio's car for forensic evidence and intend to compare his blood sample against traces of semen found on the girl's body, said a police spokesman, Officer Albert Droscoski.

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another interesting case. Cops catch the criminal. Everything is ready, evidence prepared but it turns out he has an absolute alibi with mountains of witnesses so the police say "oops. sorry, our mistake".

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/11/nyregion/rape-charge-is-dropped-in-case-at-li-school.html

https://ir.stonybrook.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/11401/59990/Blackworld, V. 19, i. 04 - 19890403.pdf

https://dspace.sunyconnect.suny.edu...42696/Blackworld, V. 19, i. 05 - 19890410.pdf

You have to wonder what the actual rapists and murderers are thinking when the police keep catching innocent people and finding evidence against those innocent people. Are the guilty thinking "I should make Lieutenant soon"?
 
Not clear on this.

Ms. McNamee was last seen Jan. 5, 1994, getting into a small blue car in front of the Blue Dawn Diner in Islandia, according to a 2003 Crimestoppers press release.

On Jan. 30, 1994, the body of Colleen McNamee, 20, who was living on Hyacinth Lane in Holbrook, was found dead in the woods near Express Drive South

http://riverheadnewsreview.timesrev...orville-man-charged-in-two-cold-case-murders/

and

http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...7-THE-COP-WHO-TRACKED-A-COLD-CASE-KILLER.html

In order for as much spermatozoa with tails still attached to be present in each victim meant that she must have died within hours of the sex.

Honestly, does somebody need a PhD to call that junk science?
 
Bittrolff's lawyer, a former Suffolk prosecutor, seems to somehow be connected to every case that could threaten Spota... And it always ends in Spota's favor... Why would Bittrolf willingly let somebody in that position be his lawyer in a case like that?

Dna evidence is certainly hard to fake but if anybody could do it, it would be these guys. remains to be seen how... There doesn't seem to be any indication the dna that was taken from the bodies was catalogued, aside from the sayso of Spota's friends. Is there any evidence that the dna from 1993 is the same as the lately entered Bittrolff codis dna?


2016
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...ty-got-thousands-for-use-of-vessel-1.11729655
Longtime Suffolk County prosecutor John Scott Prudenti regularly collected thousands of dollars from local defense attorneys for the use of his boat, potentially violating county ethics and professional conduct standards... Some of the most powerful people in Suffolk’s criminal justice system — including prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges and Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota — attended the parties, Perini said...

...The two other defense attorneys, who asked not to be identified, said they went on Prudenti’s boat on separate trips and that it was a well-known way to curry favor with Prudenti, who was involved in many of their cases.

...Perini said “Spota always came” to the parties, as did many criminal judges whose identities he said he couldn’t remember.


http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...about-finding-woman-s-body-in-1994-1.13567716
Police searched the area after getting an anonymous call about the body... Police had her prints on file from a prostitution arrest...

...that Spota’s top corruption prosecutor, Christopher McPartland, is under federal investigation for possible obstruction of justice...

...A Suffolk prosecutor since 1986 and former unsuccessful congressional candidate, Prudenti has deep ties to Suffolk politics and the courts...

...John Scott Prudenti began his career as a prosecutor under then-District Attorney Patrick Henry. He rose from trying District Court cases to high-profile assignments including a stint as deputy chief of the Major Crime Bureau...

...Defense attorney William Keahon, a former Suffolk prosecutor, responded when asked whether he had been on the boat: “When you tell me who told you that, I’ll give you an answer.” ...

2003
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/11/nyregion/ex-suffolk-officer-gets-5-years-for-abuse-of-4-women.html
Ex-Suffolk Officer Gets 5 Years for Abuse of 4 Women
...Sometimes he handcuffed them and took them to secluded spots, the prosecutors said...Mr. Wright's lawyer, William Keahon...Mr. Wright served on the force for nine years

2005
http://www.parentadvocates.org/nicecontent/dsp_printable.cfm?articleID=6092
...Yet that's one of the crimes Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota is accusing Brookhaven Town Building Inspector Vincent Dragone of committing in yesterday's 61-count indictment. Dragone's attorney William Keahon said his client is innocent...

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lida0607,0,6296144.story
When two political operatives met for lunch at a Hauppauge restaurant last year, they thought they'd be discussing their business in private.

What they didn't know was that tiny recording devices had been placed at their table, and that their waiter was an undercover detective.

...Careful planning, secret listening devices and undercover detectives are hallmarks of Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota's two-year investigation into political corruption. ...

Some have questioned whether Spota's tactics have crossed the line between aggressive prosecution and infringing on individuals' rights. But even defense attorneys have been impressed.

"I think this is the most successful investigatory process of political corruption since I came to the county in '73," said William Keahon, a defense attorney who has represented at least two targets of the probe. "It has been done like no other DA has done in the past."

The reason, he and other defense attorneys said, is that prosecutors are thinking like them.

The key is in doing an exhaustive investigation and strategically blocking possible defense legal maneuvers before filing charges. "In all previous administrations, they've always forgotten or failed to do major parts of the investigation until after the indictment, which has left them vulnerable at trial," Keahon said.

...When Spota first took office, political corruption wasn't even on the radar. Then tips began to come in and prosecutors examined campaign filings. They were stunned at the extent of Towle's abuses.

The assets, seized Wednesday as part of the Suffolk District Attorney's ongoing probe into political corruption, are worth at least $1.5 million. They include Dragone's home, a 2003 Ford Excursion sport utility vehicle, a 2002 Lincoln LS sedan, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an all-terrain vehicle, a camper and two bank accounts, said District Attorney Thomas Spota.

"The properties we have seized are the proceeds of crimes," Spota said....William Keahon, Dragone's attorney, declined to comment...The investigation has reshaped Suffolk's political landscape, shaking Republicans, who count most of the arrested among their ranks. Fearing the loss of their last bastion of power, the GOP machine has moved to keep voters on their line by cross-endorsing Spota for re-election this fall...

"The corruption appears to be so pervasive from the lower echelons on up that to root it out might take even more effort," said John Ray, the defense attorney for former Brookhaven Zoning Board of Appeals member Theodore Rickman, who pleaded guilty to receiving bribes in April 2004.

Spota said the difficulty of ending corruption became evident when his detectives recently asked a suspect who admitted wrongdoing why he had broken the law, knowing prosecutors were investigating.

"And his response was he didn't think he'd be caught," Spota said. "But as long as they know that we are there and we are looking, we will make at least a significant impact."...

...The Republicans point out that two Democrats, advisers to Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy, have been arrested in the probe. Stephen Baranello, a former Suffolk OTB official and son of the former county Democratic leader, pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe receiving. Former Suffolk legislator Wayne Prospect has pleaded not guilty to bribery, coercion and conspiracy. Levy says the men acted without his knowledge.

Brookhaven Republican candidates also depict the disgraced members of their own party as renegades. "Bring the paddy wagon in and take all the bad guys out," said Mazzei, a two-year incumbent.

If the investigation shifts the balance of power, Spota said it's not intentional -- and it doesn't really matter to him.

2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...sexual-predator-uniform-case-article-1.290544
A Southampton cop already facing a plethora of charges that he pressured women he arrested into having sex will return to Suffolk County Court Monday to face more charges.

The arraignment of Guy Giammatteo, 33, before Suffolk County Judge Barbara Kahn had been scheduled for Wednesday, but it was postponed Tuesday and set for Monday, said Robert Clifford, spokesman for Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota.

Giammatteo, whose attorney said he was framed by his brother-in-law, convicted murderer Danny Pelosi, was suspended from the Southampton Town Police in January 2006 after five years on the job.

Spota called Giammatteo "a sexual predator in a police uniform," adding that the disgraced cop used the power of his badge and "his knowledge of confidential police information and investigations to create for himself the opportunity to sexually exploit women."

...Giammatteo's attorney, William Keahon, said...
 
A lot of things about this case don't look right, a few more things then I'll drop it for a while.

1) It seems like a really rare crime to beat somebody until their brains are coming out of their skull. It's not a common murder scenario probably.

And yet here is another one from the same time, same place.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/nude-woman-found-butchered-article-1.702864
Warning very graphic article

Three women with intricate tattoos have been found dismembered possibly by a serial killer ...

...said Lt. John Gierasch of Suffolk Homicide. "There are certain similarities that indicate this case may be linked" to the other killings, Gierasch said. The three victims were white, with dark hair, about 5-feet-3. They ranged in weight from 115 to 135 pounds, police said. Investigators could not determine if the victims had been sexually assaulted. Each was found nude. Police believe the women, who have not been identified, may have been transient prostitutes because a nationwide check of missing persons turned up no clues and no one has reported them missing. The women apparently were killed elsewhere and their bodies dumped. The first victim was discovered by a pizza worker behind a Yonkers pizzeria June 27, 1992. The victim, found in a plastic garbage bag, had a gaping hole in the back of the head from an ax-like weapon. ...

...The severed limbs were not found in any of the cases, police said. Gierasch said there were no apparent links between the three mutilation killings and the murders of three prostitutes in Suffolk County in 1993 and 1994. Suffolk cops asked anyone with information to call (800) 299-7310.

Also https://news.google.com/newspapers?...HlGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HekMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2884,3493244

The name of that victim Melani Vilavencencio only shows up in that article on Google http://buffalonews.com/1995/12/14/dismembered-victim-identified/

And this guy
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1996/04/08/NY-man-linked-to-five-slayings/7958828936000/

Detective Lt. John Gierasch of the Suffolk County Homicide Squad seems to have gotten most or all of them, or at least investigated, including Tangredi and McNamee.

2) http://martytankleffnewsgroup.yuku.com/reply/4199

In the Tankleff case police got a suspect and then they gathered evidence.

a) Did the evidence they gathered support the confession? It did not.
b) So did the forensics investigators say "Hey we have contradictory evidence?" No, they did not. In fact they tailored the evidence to suit the confession.
c) And they were involved in Bittrolff's case.
Forensic scientists Robert Baumann and Robert Genna, who examined the Tankleff crime scene, are still employed there.

It seems blatantly obvious that somebody should take extra steps in verifying evidence which people like that testify to.

Are they doing the same thing they did previously, covering for colleagues' misdeeds?

3) The detective who said that Bittrollf made off hand comments basically confessing, contradicting the video and all other evidence, has a history of producing questionnable confessions. It takes about 2 minutes on Google to find more examples. He provided pretty compelling evidence, using his authority as a cop to back it up since it contradicted Bittrolff's videotaped denial. But his statements in the Bittrolff case, as in some of his other cases, were probably not true.

If the police trusted the dna evidence themselves, they would not have contorted so strangely to provide so much other evidence that didn't pan out. The police themselves, the prosecutors, seem to be hesitant about the case.

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I'll drop this rather than continue ranting and spamming and annoying regulars, but...

Is there some other indication he might be guilty?

Can anybody point to any evidence, of any kind? Does he fit some psychological profile? Does he have any history of any kind consistent with these crimes? Aside from gossipy type stuff there doesn't seem to be much, while there is quite a bit of hard evidence that those involved in prosecuting him have actually deliberately played with evidence in the past. Sorry for overspamming.
 
Robert Baumann was the forensic "expert" that somehow missed the real evidence at the Tankleff crime scene and managed to create evidence that supported the 'confession' that a detective had forced and which was recanted. http://martytankleffnewsgroup.yuku.com/reply/4199

Somehow, Baumann did not lose his job, but actually it is very rare for police, prosecutors and forensic experts to lose their jobs or face any other punishment for falsifying evidence.

So, still employed despite a proclivity for distorting evidence to help the prosecution 'win', he went after Bittrolff.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...-john-bittrolff-to-two-slain-women-1.13737563

During questioning Wednesday by Assistant District Attorney Robert Biancavilla, Baummann said that after Bittrolff’s arrest in July 2014, he retested the semen samples, compared it Bittrolff’s DNA and found a match.
 
Robert Baumann was the forensic "expert" that somehow missed the real evidence at the Tankleff crime scene and managed to create evidence that supported the 'confession' that a detective had forced and which was recanted. http://martytankleffnewsgroup.yuku.com/reply/4199

Somehow, Baumann did not lose his job, but actually it is very rare for police, prosecutors and forensic experts to lose their jobs or face any other punishment for falsifying evidence.

So, still employed despite a proclivity for distorting evidence to help the prosecution 'win', he went after Bittrolff.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...-john-bittrolff-to-two-slain-women-1.13737563

During questioning Wednesday by Assistant District Attorney Robert Biancavilla, Baummann said that after Bittrolff’s arrest in July 2014, he retested the semen samples, compared it Bittrolff’s DNA and found a match.

Actually on looking at the dates, that didn't make the intended point, but I'll leave it in.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...ling-women-in-police-interrogation-1.13751360

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Victims-with-connections-to-rehab&styleid=21

both had been arrested for prostitution a few months before their deaths

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/did-gilgo-victims-let-their-guards-down-1.2950472

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/gilgo-beach-serial-killings-investigation-1.9702451

I'm sure this overposting offends but maybe somebody will click through these links and figure something out.

It seems extremely likely that a) the killer is a police officer and b) most people, including posters on this website, do not understand the extent of the problem of police attacking women, especially prostitutes. I've met several women who have been raped by police over the years, and anybody can go to any major city and if you know where to look you will find reliable stories of that.

The evidence seems strong that the killer is a police officer or officers, that they are immune from adequate investigation, and that Bittrolff was probably set up to cover them.

There can be highly suspicious evidence against a carpenter with no history of that kind of crime, and people blindly accept the evidence without questioning. But when there is much stronger evidence of crimes as bad or worse commited by police officers, somehow people don't see the evidence.

The example posted earlier on deputy Calkins in Florida is an example that got some publicity. There are tens of thousands of people in prison on far less evidence. But because he was a cop the evidence falls. If there were a tendency among cops to police themselves then you could call it "a few bad cops". But the tendency is for cops to stick together no matter what and you will almost never find a cop who sees the misbehaviors his buddies are involved in right next to him.

One last edit then I'll drop this.

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/officials-reported-cop-gilgo-link-false-1.2878979

The NYPD Sunday disputed a report that a current and former officer were under suspicion in the Gilgo Beach killings.

Oh really? There are two cops from the nypd who might be suspects? Imagine that. Thank goodness they did not work in Suffolk county.

Anybody who follows social media on the subject knows that police do target people who call for police accountability, so I'm not doing that. I'm just suggesting that in this case, since the killer is probably a cop, maybe it would be wise to not ignore the evidence of that being the case.
 
One last point. This lisk thing reminds me about the old fable about the guy walking along the street at night and he sees somebody on the ground under a streetlight and he says "What are you doing?" and the guy says "I dropped my keys and I'm looking for them". So the first guy says "How long have you been searching"? and the second guy says "A few hours, I need the keys to get in my house. I was walking across that field over there and heard them hit the ground." And the first guy says "If you lost them in the field why are you searching over here?" and the secong guy says "Because there's a streetlight here".

All the evidence points to the killer probably being a cop or a bunch of cops. If the killer is a cop then waiting for the police to catch him or them is simply not going to happen. The person has probably been identified a few times by a few investigators and each time the investigator is brought into the fold and more hurdles are put up to stymie other investigators. The Bittrolff case was probably in that category.

The only strategy for uncovering the culprit in a case like that, if this is what is going on, is to slowly demolish the ruses that the police involved have used to cover their tracks. The Bittrolff case is probably the best chance to take a step in solving the Gilgo murders and several others. If the Bittrolff case can be unraveled properly then the individual police and similar types who created the case out of thin air, signing their names to lab results etc, will be compelled to pick a side.

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In other words looking at what has been offered as evidence, looking where police suggest, is probably not going to lead anywhere. Better to start with real facts, actual evidence, and build on that. Police do not arrest their own unless they are forced.
 
Haven't been here in a while due to the fact that I have a lot of personal stuff going on that's tragic in and of itself. I had no idea JB's trial was over and that he was found guilty. A few months back I had reached out to Dateline via Facebook and asked if they had ever heard of this case. Sure enough, they said they were already in the works and so I'm assuming we can be expecting to see this story in the next season.
 
Abcdefg.. you have a lot of stuff showing police corruption, or things that just don't set right. But I don't see anything that shows Bittrolff is innocent. There are many things that make me question his guilt as much as innocence, but nothing that would make me second guess the verdict. My main question is why did Bittrolff admit to sleeping with both girls if the evidence was planted. I did not ever read that Bittrolff was claiming the evidence was planted. But maybe I have that wrong. Did Bittrolff admit to being with both of the victims?
 

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Biancavilla later said outside court that Bittrolff not only hated women, but all life. He said Bittrolff, a hunter, had once wrestled a pig to the ground and slit its throat and had also cut out the heart of a deer he had just shot and ate it raw in the woods.

Biancavilla said Bittrolff likely has killed other women, and said some aspects of the bodies found over the years at Gilgo Beach were similar to what he’s done. He did not elaborate, but amateur sleuths on the web have long drawn parallels between the cases.

The first of 10 sets of remains believed to be the work of one or more serial killers in the Gilgo Beach area was found in 2010. The first four bodies were those of women in their 20s who worked as prostitutes and were found within a quarter of a mile from each other. The victims had been reported missing between 2007 and September 2010.

Asked about Biancavilla’s assertions, Suffolk County Assistant Police Commissioner Justin Meyers said: “The police department cannot comment on an ongoing homicide investigation.”
 
Just bumping the thread that deals with, ahem, the known strangler of prostitutes who lives on Long Island and whose movements for the past two decades are presently unknown to us.

Quoting myself from three years ago (rest of quote below), as SCPD has a remarkably belated "uh, now that I think about it" moment and claims that unspecified evidence from the Gilgo killings does, in fact, wow gee what a coinkydink, match Bittrolff's "handiwork". After, of course, vehemently denying it at the time. Time passes slowly, and I have no idea if this Biancavilla guy is worth his weight in salt, or if the SCPD is actually making an attempt to right itself. Even more time, probably, will tell.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/convicted-killer-tied-gilgo-beach-murders-article-1.3490281
 
Quoting myself from three years ago (rest of quote below), as SCPD has a remarkably belated "uh, now that I think about it" moment and claims that unspecified evidence from the Gilgo killings does, in fact, wow gee what a coinkydink, match Bittrolff's "handiwork". After, of course, vehemently denying it at the time. Time passes slowly, and I have no idea if this Biancavilla guy is worth his weight in salt, or if the SCPD is actually making an attempt to right itself. Even more time, probably, will tell.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/convicted-killer-tied-gilgo-beach-murders-article-1.3490281

More like a DUH moment. Really baffling.
 
Oh boy.. they really want everyone to take the bait here huh? Pumping it out to every news outlet.. a prostitute was murdered on LI. It must be John bittrolf because hes the only one who could do this. what a joke.. one of these crooked cops involved could have easily been stalking/patronizing these girls while knowing which clients they were seeing. if he wants to murder them, then he could have stalked them, Waited for them to service a john then kill them right afterward, making it look like the john did it cause he was the last one to sleep with her. In this case the john was bittrolf. Thats what looks like happened here IMO. this DAs office is just way to corrupt to trust almost anything they get their hands into.

I didnt follow this case as close as some of the others, but was bittrolfs dna found anywhere other than inside the victims?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4877336/Prosecutor-Convicted-killer-tied-NY-slayings.html
 
Oh boy.. they really want everyone to take the bait here huh?

I would be completely cynical about it as well, as the police have so far in this case botched things up to a degree that looks downright suspicious. And they'd no doubt love to close the case by pinning it on someone/anyone. But here's two very vital connections between Bittrolff and the Gilgo killings, which were noted by quite a few posters on this board when Bittrolff was first arrested in 2014:
1. One of Bittrolff's victims, Rita Tangredi, went to high school with and was best friends with Gilgo victim Melissa Barthelemy.
2. In 2003 a torso of a murder victim, Jessica Taylor, was found in Manorville, where Bittrolff lived. Then, in 2011, Taylor's hands and skull were found in Oak Beach, more than 30 miles away from Manorville but just a couple of miles from where the Gilgo burial site was (Oak Beach was also the town where Shannan Gilbert disappeared and was eventually found).

Either connection should have been enough to prevent the SCPD from immediately stating, when Bittrolff was first arrested, that there was no connection to the Gilgo killings. But, again, their "investigation" has been a complete trainwreck from the start.
 
I would be completely cynical about it as well, as the police have so far in this case botched things up to a degree that looks downright suspicious. And they'd no doubt love to close the case by pinning it on someone/anyone. But here's two very vital connections between Bittrolff and the Gilgo killings, which were noted by quite a few posters on this board when Bittrolff was first arrested in 2014:
1. One of Bittrolff's victims, Rita Tangredi, went to high school with and was best friends with Gilgo victim Melissa Barthelemy.
2. In 2003 a torso of a murder victim, Jessica Taylor, was found in Manorville, where Bittrolff lived. Then, in 2011, Taylor's hands and skull were found in Oak Beach, more than 30 miles away from Manorville but just a couple of miles from where the Gilgo burial site was (Oak Beach was also the town where Shannan Gilbert disappeared and was eventually found).

Either connection should have been enough to prevent the SCPD from immediately stating, when Bittrolff was first arrested, that there was no connection to the Gilgo killings. But, again, their "investigation" has been a complete trainwreck from the start.

Never heard of MB growing up on long island and tangredi was killed a long time before the gilgo murders.. big age difference between the 2 also.. how could they have gone to high school together or even been best friends? This sounds false.
 
This outrageous detective work on SCPD's part. That entire department needs to be fired
 

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