CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[Hatch]

I was actually thinking about that, but since KB handled those, and KK handled them, what would be on them? blood from PF? Wonder if there is something else on the sock.

Expand on your sock theory? I had nearly forgotten about that sock.

 

[Hatch]

Oh yes -- spoken like a true sleuther. (I know all about doing anything to avoid getting any real work done).

I worked my hind end off yesterday to free up today for the big empty. Oh well May it is or maybe not.

 

[MassGuy]

I worked my hind end off yesterday to free up today for the big empty. Oh well May it is or maybe not.

Well it’s May for sure, Dan May.

I think this trial is going to have more delays than usual, on account of all the evidence that needs to be analyzed.

It’s also going to take the defense a while to come up with a strategy, and comb through the mountain of evidence that PF left in his wake.

 

[Hatch]

Well it’s May for sure, Dan May.

I think this trial is going to have more delays than usual, on account of all the evidence that needs to be analyzed.

It’s also going to take the defense a while to come up with a strategy, and comb through the mountain of evidence that PF left in his wake.

Thinking about the DNA and where it was swabbed from, the places are endless.

 

[Seattle1]

Well it’s May for sure, Dan May.

I think this trial is going to have more delays than usual, on account of all the evidence that needs to be analyzed.

It’s also going to take the defense a while to come up with a strategy, and comb through the mountain of evidence that PF left in his wake.

Speaking of evidence analysis, and "no body," I just came across this news clip of the evidence that CBI presented to the judge during Kelsie Schelling's preliminary hearing, and how the cell phone data from both DL and KS phones tells the true story.

Although KB case has KK, I believe the cell phone data will be the real truth teller here, and the jury will see through any smoke and mirrors PF is hoping to through out to see what sticks. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Speaking of evidence analysis, and "no body," I just came across this news clip of the evidence that CBI presented to the judge during Kelsie Schelling's preliminary hearing, and how the cell phone data from both DL and KS phones tells the true story.

Although KB case has KK, I believe the cell phone data will be the real truth teller here, and the jury will see through any smoke and mirrors PF is hoping to through out to see what sticks. MOO

I do too.

His story, his misdirection, required the use of his and Kelsey’s cell phones.

To me, that’s the single most important piece of evidence in this case.

It offers context and clarity to surveillance footage, KK’s account, and forensic evidence.

You cannot plausibly explain away two days of texts and phone calls with a dead person.

 

[MemPat]

I do too.

His story, his misdirection, required the use of his and Kelsey’s cell phones.

To me, that’s the single most important piece of evidence in this case.

It offers context and clarity to surveillance footage, KK’s account, and forensic evidence.

You cannot plausibly explain away two days of texts and phone calls with a dead person.

You're right about this being the single most important piece of evidence.....

But let's add the caveat....."so far".

Look back at the plethora of bombshells revealed at the hearing and remember how stunned we were.

I have a mile-wide smile realizing we can get a repeat on that feeling....a fresh list of witnesses/videos/pings/DNA tests/a tooth, perhaps even a metal pole or aluminum bat pointing right at the cowboy.

Bring 'em on!

 

[steeltowngirl]

For anyone that missed the hearing yesterday, this photo was my personal highlight.

 

[girlhasnoname]

You're right about this being the single most important piece of evidence.....

But let's add the caveat....."so far".

Look back at the plethora of bombshells revealed at the hearing and remember how stunned we were.

I have a mile-wide smile realizing we can get a repeat on that feeling....a fresh list of witnesses/videos/pings/DNA tests/a tooth, perhaps even a metal pole or aluminum bat pointing right at the cowboy.

Bring 'em on!

ITA mempat. For the DA to proceed so quickly with the charges they filed and no body they felt confident enough to proceed and proved probable cause to the judge.

DA May knows the perils and pitfalls of KK and her testimony and the public's outrage over her 'deal' so I feel confident that they have more than just KK and enough to prove PF killed KB on TG day beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[girlhasnoname]

For anyone that missed the hearing yesterday, this photo was my personal highlight.

spew.....coffee on my screen HAHAHAHAHA
Boy he's a hairy dude isn't he? ewwwwwwww

 

[303gmf]

Yup, this isn’t really all that unheard of anymore.

With the strides that have been made in forensics, it’s not as hard as it used to be.

I was reading one Ann Rule’s books not long ago, and she discussed one of the first no-body murder cases in Oregon.

They used blood and hair evidence to convict a man of murdering a bus driver.

This was 1976, but no body, no DNA, no advanced testing of any kind; no problem.

The perpetrator was sentenced to death, had his conviction commuted to life, and was ultimately released.

She used a pseudonym, but I figured out his real name. He recently passed away.

I’ve had a renewed interest in Ann Rule’s writing since Kelsey’s horrific murder and found one that hadn’t seemed familiar to read. Couldn’t help but wish she were alive and sleuthing this case for her next book, the characters involved so far known and on the periphery need delving into as only she could

 

[steeltowngirl]

Speaking of evidence analysis, and "no body," I just came across this news clip of the evidence that CBI presented to the judge during Kelsie Schelling's preliminary hearing, and how the cell phone data from both DL and KS phones tells the true story.

Although KB case has KK, I believe the cell phone data will be the real truth teller here, and the jury will see through any smoke and mirrors PF is hoping to through out to see what sticks. MOO

Wow. Pueblo is near to this case, do these guys have a secret club in Colorado to think up these cell phone tricks? Glad it didn’t take five years to get PF behind bars.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

spew.....coffee on my screen HAHAHAHAHA
Boy he's a hairy dude isn't he? ewwwwwwww

Hopefully he lost some of his body hair at important places .... On the other hand: he was the on-and-off fiance.

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete

 

[Kapua]

Re: No body murder cases. If you are interested, here is a link: http://www.nobodymurdercases.com/no_body2.pdf

 

[Charlot123]

spew.....coffee on my screen HAHAHAHAHA
Boy he's a hairy dude isn't he? ewwwwwwww

It doesn’t matter, but he has very strong hands. Scary.

 

[Hatch]

"You have a mess to clean up" mentally what would be on your list to thoroughly clean away evidence of DNA in a small condo ? Blood you could see with your sight would be a no brainer, what else would you clean?
Besides the list PF gave KK.

 

[MemPat]

"You have a mess to clean up" mentally what would be on your list to thoroughly clean away evidence of DNA in a small condo ? Blood you could see with your sight would be a no brainer, what else would you clean?
Besides the list PF gave KK.

Knowing what we know now I guess I'd rip up all the wood floor boards and clean underneath!

And I guess I'd be scrubbing the ceiling.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Knowing what we know now I guess I'd rip up all the wood floor boards and clean underneath!

And I guess I'd be scrubbing the ceiling.

First of all, if a guy ever TOLD me to "clean up a mess" of any kind, the first words that would fly out of my mouth would be to tell him to pound salt if he created it.
But secondly, knowing that blood has a life of it's own in any violent crime, unless I was suddenly struck stupid, I wouldn't even attempt to clean up blood.
The fact that KK was a nurse, she knew that. I still shake my head at her stupidity.
IMHO

 

[MassGuy]

First of all, if a guy ever TOLD me to "clean up a mess" of any kind, the first words that would fly out of my mouth would be to tell him to pound salt if he created it.
But secondly, knowing that blood has a life of it's own in any violent crime, unless I was suddenly struck stupid, I wouldn't even attempt to clean up blood.
The fact that KK was a nurse, she knew that. I still shake my head at her stupidity.
IMHO

I think most women would have the same reaction, as they should.

That’s why I continue to believe that she’s not telling the truth here, and this was her end of the deal.

“Fine, if you won’t kill her, I will. You’re cleaning up the mess though.”