Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #97

[Jamie737]

I do wonder if BG isn’t in custody already. In plain sight as it were. Not for this, obviously, but for another reason.

If he has told someone about Abby and Libby and they in turn have told LE, doesn’t that fit the PC narrative too?

Wouldn’t that be marvellous if this stain on humankind is already where he belongs and we have the opportunity to keep him locked up, forever.

 

[susiQ]

I do wonder if BG isn’t in custody already. In plain sight as it were. Not for this, obviously, but for another reason.

If he has told someone about Abby and Libby and they in turn have told LE, doesn’t that fit the PC narrative too?

Wouldn’t that be marvellous if this stain on humankind is already where he belongs and we have the opportunity to keep him locked up, forever.

I don't think he's in custody yet, as the Officer holding the conference mentions, he could be in the room. I also think they are very close to an arrest as he asked that there be no media response to this for at least two weeks, as the family just learned this new information that day. I suspect the families are privvy to things we are not.

I think he said, "We are just now beginning," because they have new info and are focused on their new "suspect". JMO

ETA: BBM I think it's quite possible you are correct, that he told someone and they've told LE. It was also mentioned that the killer doesn't "act" the same. This may also be why he said that the killer may have just a little bit of conscience left.

 

[margarita25]

I do wonder if BG isn’t in custody already. In plain sight as it were. Not for this, obviously, but for another reason.

If he has told someone about Abby and Libby and they in turn have told LE, doesn’t that fit the PC narrative too?

Wouldn’t that be marvellous if this stain on humankind is already where he belongs and we have the opportunity to keep him locked up, forever.

There certainly always exists this possibility, incarcerated for another crime.

We saw in Hania Aguilar’s case how there can be mishaps, etc. as related to DNA.

 

[Jamie737]

Continuing my flight of fancy around abandonment as a trigger word:- perhaps BG was abandoned by a woman in that February, leading to such rage that he stalked and killed Abby and Libby.

Once he had crossed that barrier, perhaps the next time he was unstable it was easier to kill again. Perhaps he confused luck with invincibility, thinking he would not get caught. But he was.

Obviously this is my opinion and not based on any established fact.

 

[Skully]

They have involved Nasa and Disney to to make the quality of the pictures they can .The FBI are involved.
They have contacted every specialist they can think of to help them.Money is not a consideration in solving this.
Are you really being serious thinking they might not know about the latest technology or Parabon?
I am sure Doug Carter would welcome you insights into their investigation.

No need to be snarky here, I have run into PD that didn't know about all the newest technology or need help with getting started. I haven't read all of the case, only stop in to see the pressers. I am glad they have all of this help and it never hurts to ask questions. How many cases have you worked? I work them everyday.

 

[Skully]

I do wonder if BG isn’t in custody already. In plain sight as it were. Not for this, obviously, but for another reason.

If he has told someone about Abby and Libby and they in turn have told LE, doesn’t that fit the PC narrative too?

Wouldn’t that be marvellous if this stain on humankind is already where he belongs and we have the opportunity to keep him locked up, forever.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear at some point that he told someone. He is brazen and most likely proud of what he did and still not behind bars. So many killers tell people stuff and that person doesn't come forward for years, sometimes decades. IDK why, but you read where people call in a tip that they have know about for years.

 

[FinePrint]

Early in the morning here so if someone said this before, well than forgive me...

Could be that BG made contact with LE recently and LE determined it was him. Like the Zodiac did back in the 70s. Could be what prompted the PC and all of the "to the killer" talk by Carter.........morning thoughts only!

 

[TTF14]

Early in the morning here so if someone said this before, well than forgive me...

Could be that BG made contact with LE recently and LE determined it was him. Like the Zodiac did back in the 70s. Could be what prompted the PC and all of the "to the killer" talk by Carter.........morning thoughts only!

I think it's possible. And I even said maybe he tried some sort of bargaining with them and told them to mention publicly how the girls were posed, hence the statement about "how you left them is not what they are experiencing today." Who knows.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Indiana trail grants include rehab of bridge where Delphi teens were killed

Part of a nearly $1.3 million state grant will go toward converting an old railroad bridge into pedestrian use along a northern Indiana city’s recreational trail where two teenage girls were hiking when they were killed two years ago.

The project will include the addition of decking and safety rails for Delphi’s Monon High Bridge, which rises more than 60 feet over Deer Creek.

 

[enelram]

What if we assume the obvious. That he was not after any woman but in fact, was after either one, or both, girls, and stalked them till he got his chance?

Agree. I believe psychologically there's a distinct type
guy who preys on teens or some on pre-pubescent girls.
I'll look for some studies but I believe it's related to perp's
level of maturation and how stunted he was socially.

 

[enelram]

I think it's possible. And I even said maybe he tried some sort of bargaining with them and told them to mention publicly how the girls were posed, hence the statement about "how you left them is not what they are experiencing today." Who knows.

My brain is convinced he "posed them in death" and My
guess is their hands were in a praying position but their bodies may have been de-clothed.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I apologize if these two thoughts have been discussed already as I have not read through all of the threads since the PC:

1. Why wasn’t the extended audio (“guys”) released with the original audio? I don’t understand the difference between releasing now vs 2 years ago and why it could have been detrimental to the case early on. In other words why wasn’t “guys” released with “down the hill” from the get go? Wouldn’t that have provided more potential tips? I don’t see how that could have compromised the case 2 years ago.

2. “Guys” vs “down the hill” sounds totally different even though it is the same person (BG). Again I’m sure this has been discussed so apologies if I am repeating this point or if others have felt the same.

All MOO. Been following since the beginning and hoping for justice for Abby and Libby

My guess was always "foul" language tween the "guys" and the down the hill.

 

[Yellow Rose]

New to this thread. Heartbreaking case. I've spent the last few hours catching up on media stuff and the latest press conference. Sorry, I haven't read all the posts to date.

My impression is, LE are almost certain they know who the killer is but can't quite get him.....yet, but they are close. Something said by a local in an earlier news broadcast made me think of the statement that they believe the killer either lives in Delphi, once lived there or works there. My guess is he grew up there as a child, with family and friends and may have moved to a neighbouring town or county but visits family and friends? In fact, I think he was very familiar with the area and quite likely played there as a teen himself. It struck me when it was "asked" of the killer, "What will those closest to you think when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children. Only a coward would do such a thing."

Another thing that struck me was when it was stated that he was between 18 - 40, but could be older than he looks. I have a 36 year old son that could pass for 26 easily. So it's no stretch to think a 40 year old could pass for 30. I think this recent press conference was to put him on notice. I guarantee he is under 24 hr. surveillance. Someone who can kill two sweet, innocent girls is capable of doing it again and LE will do their best to prevent that. Whoever he is, he now KNOWS they KNOW. Hopefully, they get what they need soon to get him off the streets and give the residents of Delphi a measure of peace again and justice for Abby and Libby. JMT

Precisely how I've felt since the new sketch release presser. And I'm praying like Abby's mother that today is the day!

 

[taylorss]

He had so little time and, per LE, was just one guy alone .... I’d be surprised if he got into much dramatic posing MOO.

JMO I took “how you left them” to mean dropped or tossed aside like used objects, as if they didn’t have human dignity.

The thought of those two precious girls being treated like that is a blood-boiler IMO everyone in delphi probably wants to get out the pitchforks at that.

 

[TTF14]

My brain is convinced he "posed them in death" and My
guess is their hands were in a praying position but their bodies may have been de-clothed.

Why is that your guess about "praying hands?"

 

[TTF14]

He had so little time and, per LE, was just one guy alone .... I’d be surprised if he got into much dramatic posing MOO.

JMO I took “how you left them” to mean dropped or tossed aside like used objects, as if they didn’t have human dignity.

The thought of those two precious girls being treated like that is a blood-boiler IMO everyone in delphi probably wants to get out the pitchforks at that.

Another blood-boiler for me is knowing one of them had to watch the other one die first .

After watching Gray Hughe's (sp?) video again last night, I think the girls probably made a run for it over the creek if it happened the way Gray theorizes (the path taken, I mean). I don't think the killer intended to kill them anywhere but right there at the bottom of that hill when they first exited the bridge. If they did run it probably only enraged him further once he caught up to them . This also tells me this guy is agile.

 

[ParadoxyOddity]

My brain is convinced he "posed them in death" and My
guess is their hands were in a praying position but their bodies may have been de-clothed.

I'm curious as to why you think they were in a praying position.

 

[enelram]

Why is that your guess about "praying hands?"

2 things-
the quote you provided about 'how you left them'
and the emphasis on religion in pc
It's not uncommon for perps to leave a message for the world on
their victims

 

[mtnlites]

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #95

the long chin is an indicator of the potential for a variety of other issues - if it is caused by a genetic collagen disorder, the suspect may have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and/or Marfan, making him susceptible to neurological and immune-related disorders, and a host of other issues, some of what we may be seeing in the way he walks.

Earlier someone made a reference to BG's walk and how he may have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. As someone with EDS, I can assure you that the majority of us walk just fine. If we DON'T walk "just fine" then it means we're probably in a wheel chair. Anyone with EDS who was having that much trouble walking certainly wouldn't be able to attack two girls at the same time or, better yet, be able to make it down that embankment and across the creek. Once we start having noticeable trouble walking, that's pretty much the end of the line for us.

Source: My mom, my grandmother, my son, my daughter, and myself all have various types of EDS and I belong to an online support group of more than 10,000 people. None of us buy the idea that you could tell BG had it just by looking at him. As bad as the disease is, we look exactly the same as you. That's why it's called an invisible illness.

And also, can we please slow down on the internet diagnoses? EDS is already a rare and complicated illness with a lot of misinformation out there. It's difficult to diagnose via actual genetic and clinical tests, there's no way for it to be diagnosed via a grainy picture on the internet. Those of us with it spend a lot of time navigating the sometimes overwhelming series of disorders that it can cause.

 

[Skully]

Early in the morning here so if someone said this before, well than forgive me...

Could be that BG made contact with LE recently and LE determined it was him. Like the Zodiac did back in the 70s. Could be what prompted the PC and all of the "to the killer" talk by Carter.........morning thoughts only!

I think that is a really good thought. It is unusual for LE to comment on a crime scene. Carter statement on "how you left them", well it sent chills down my spine. It had to be very hard for the family to hear that, so maybe that is some of what they had to tell the family. I can't image being the parent of one of these girls and hearing that. Something prompted it.