MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

[K_Z]

Noor was acting in a cowardly way,seems like he should never have passed whatever he had to pass to be a cop,a big stuff up who ever let him wear a badge,a lifetime of heartache for her family and hopefully the same for him.

Worse than "cowardly". Noor's worrisome behaviors during the hiring and training process, and his worrisome psychological results (all of which were barred from being presented as evidence during trial), were explained away by politicians and administrators as being "normal" for his cultural and ethnic background. You see, they said, it is not he who needs to change, or is unsatisfactory. It is "we" who could erroneously interpret his "behaviors" and "personality" traits as undesirable. "We" must redefine what it is that we see, so that it is "good" and desirable, or is at least excusable, and leads to hiring. He is a desired diversity hire, therefore we will make all these worrisome things "fit", and justify and rationalize anything that doesn't fit. And name, blame, and shame anyone who questions the worrisome things.

And as politicians openly desired to hire more of those from Noor's cultural and ethnic background, they had to justify his departures from what was previously considered desirable behavior for recruits.

It's a circular process. And the process not only discourages conformity to public safety standards for diversity hiring, it seeks to radically re-define what is "normal" and desirable behavior and personality traits for officers. See how that works?

What could possibly go wrong with that philosophy? [/sarc]

Perhaps we should be hiring more blind bus drivers, for the sake of disability diversity?

Or hiring air traffic controllers who have had extensive histories of unemployment, no education in the aerospace industry, and are "bad" in math and science? And favor them over those who are pilots, or have previous military experience as air traffic controllers? For the sake of "diversity" in hiring. Oh wait.....we already went down that path.....

Diversity hiring programs which "change" hiring requirements are the death of competence and safety, in my opinion. They have no place in any profession that is involved with public safety.

The real tragedy that persists from the Noor case is that we didn't have a loud, lively, public discussion about the tremendous dangers of lowering standards for "diversity hiring" in careers involved with public safety. IMO.

 

[ilovechili]

Worse than "cowardly". Noor's worrisome behaviors during the hiring and training process, and his worrisome psychological results (all of which were barred from being presented as evidence during trial), were explained away by politicians and administrators as being "normal" for his cultural and ethnic background. You see, they said, it is not he who needs to change, or is unsatisfactory. It is "we" who could erroneously interpret his "behaviors" and "personality" traits as undesirable. "We" must redefine what it is that we see, so that it is "good" and desirable, or is at least excusable, and leads to hiring. He is a desired diversity hire, therefore we will make all these worrisome things "fit", and justify and rationalize anything that doesn't fit. And name, blame, and shame anyone who questions the worrisome things.

And as politicians openly desired to hire more of those from Noor's cultural and ethnic background, they had to justify his departures from what was previously considered desirable behavior for recruits.

It's a circular process. And the process not only discourages conformity to public safety standards for diversity hiring, it seeks to radically re-define what is "normal" and desirable behavior and personality traits for officers. See how that works?

What could possibly go wrong with that philosophy? [/sarc]

Perhaps we should be hiring more blind bus drivers, for the sake of disability diversity?

Or hiring air traffic controllers who have had extensive histories of unemployment, no education in the aerospace industry, and are "bad" in math and science? And favor them over those who are pilots, or have previous military experience as air traffic controllers? For the sake of "diversity" in hiring. Oh wait.....we already went down that path.....

Diversity hiring programs which "change" hiring requirements are the death of competence and safety, in my opinion. They have no place in any profession that is involved with public safety.

The real tragedy that persists from the Noor case is that we didn't have a loud, lively, public discussion about the tremendous dangers of lowering standards for "diversity hiring" in careers involved with public safety. IMO.

Way too much common sense and logic in your post Well said.

 

[K_Z]

Quite honestly, I think that a lawsuit brought by qualified traditional LEO applicants who were ultimately not hired by the Minneapolis Police Department, would have merit. Similar to the currently proceeding class action in the air traffic controllers situation, Brigida v. U.S. Department of Transportation. They are very similar situations, IMO.

Brigida v. U.S. Department of Transportation - Mountain States Legal Foundation
(Case documents on the right at link.)

Such a lawsuit (if the rejected applicants could somehow organize themselves and gain appropriately powerful and well funded representation) would take probably 5-10 years to work its way thru the process. But that is how I wish that Justine Damond's legacy would be-- to actually bring change to the fouled diversity hiring process. $20 million payout to her family is certainly significant, but it won't fix the underlying problem.

Twenty million is an expensive bandaid, and worse, it's encouraging people like the family of multiple violent felon Jamar Clark to "fight" for parity in "payouts" under the guise of racial justice.

 

[ilovewings]

Quite honestly, I think that a lawsuit brought by qualified traditional LEO applicants who were ultimately not hired by the Minneapolis Police Department, would have merit. Similar to the currently proceeding class action in the air traffic controllers situation, Brigida v. U.S. Department of Transportation. They are very similar situations, IMO.

Brigida v. U.S. Department of Transportation - Mountain States Legal Foundation
(Case documents on the right at link.)

Such a lawsuit (if the rejected applicants could somehow organize themselves and gain appropriately powerful and well funded representation) would take probably 5-10 years to work its way thru the process. But that is how I wish that Justine Damond's legacy would be-- to actually bring change to the fouled diversity hiring process. $20 million payout to her family is certainly significant, but it won't fix the underlying problem.

Twenty million is an expensive bandaid, and worse, it's encouraging people like the family of multiple violent felon Jamar Clark to "fight" for parity in "payouts" under the guise of racial justice.

I so agree with everything you said in both of your posts

 

[mickey2942]

Way too much common sense and logic in your post Well said.

Logic usually loses when the word "racist" is introduced.

Which is not what this is about. The problem is that if anyone did bring up issues with Officer Noor previously, they would have been categorized as biased against Affirmative Action hiring. Which is not true at all.

The fact that none of this was brought up during the trial is a tragedy. Compounded by the fact that hiring for police officers has changed dramatically, standards have been changed.

 

[ilovechili]

Logic usually loses when the word "racist" is introduced.

Which is not what this is about. The problem is that if anyone did bring up issues with Officer Noor previously, they would have been categorized as biased against Affirmative Action hiring. Which is not true at all.

The fact that none of this was brought up during the trial is a tragedy. Compounded by the fact that hiring for police officers has changed dramatically, standards have been changed.

Yep, I agree.

 

[K_Z]

Noor is facing a new civil suit, from a motorist he pulled over for a traffic stop, that lead to Noor pulling his gun. This situation was ruled inadmissible evidence at Noor's trial. Seems now that Mpls has paid out $20M to the family of JD, lots of other people want in on the payouts, too.

Though both officers are named, Minneapolis is the real target. Oman claims the city knew Noor was a "safety risk to the general public."

No charges were leveled. Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman ruled that Blevins pointed a loaded gun at the cops, ignored their orders, and was a clear danger to those nearby.

Now Noor and Schmidt are headed back to court, courtesy of Oman's traffic stop two years ago.

He's filed suit for damages greater than $50,000, a standard starting price, claiming the cops "assaulted, maliciously prosecuted and negligently caused injury" when they "intentionally pointed and aimed their firearms directly at Mr. Oman's face, head, and torso."

Minneapolis ex-cop Mohamed Noor sued for pulling gun during traffic stop [VIDEO] | City Pages

A lawsuit alleges that former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor and his partner violated a man's civil rights in 2017 by pulling him over and pointing their guns at him.

The complaint, filed in federal court, states that on May 17, 2017 officers Noor and Justin Schmidt conducted a traffic stop in which they drew their weapons on the driver. That man, Brian Oman, alleged that Noor pointed his gun at Oman's face, head and torso for 30 seconds while standing about a foot away from him. Oman says he suffered emotional trauma and feared losing his life.

Lawsuit: Mohamed Noor wrongfully pointed gun at driver during 2017 traffic stop

 

[ilovewings]

Noor was a ticking time bomb that went off the night Justine called 911
and had the fatal misfortune that the responding officer was Noor

 

[SouthAussie]

I guess Justine's windows were open that night ... we were wondering.


The photos of her home, taken as police sought to identify the victim, show a prayer flag on the wall and sparkling water on the counter. Lights are on in the rooms. And open windows look out into her alley.
In Noor trial evidence room, simple items hold unbearable weight

 

[mickey2942]

Oak Park Heights / Department of Corrections

This is the accomodations for former officer Noor. Level five maximum security. Probably for his safety.

 

[kittycat3]

Is there anywhere online where all the media files released last week can be found? Thanks in advance.
RIP Justine

 

[mickey2942]

Noor's attorneys ask for no prison time

Seriously?

 

[Pi Thoughts]

The former US policeman who shot dead Australian woman Justine Ruszczyk has proposed an unusual sentence involving one week stints in a prison workhouse to "honour" her birthday and date of death.

Noor has suggested in a pre-sentence filing to the judge that he turn himself in to a low-security correctional facility workhouse for a week on the date of Ms Ruszczyk's death and the date of Ms Ruszczyk's birth for the duration of his probation.
Justine Ruszczyk's killer suggests bizarre jail sentence 'to honour her death'

 

[SouthAussie]

The former US policeman who shot dead Australian woman Justine Ruszczyk has proposed an unusual sentence involving one week stints in a prison workhouse to "honour" her birthday and date of death.

Noor has suggested in a pre-sentence filing to the judge that he turn himself in to a low-security correctional facility workhouse for a week on the date of Ms Ruszczyk's death and the date of Ms Ruszczyk's birth for the duration of his probation.
Justine Ruszczyk's killer suggests bizarre jail sentence 'to honour her death'

Imaginative.

 

[Trident]

Imaginative.

I smell a rat.

 

[Via Marple]

What's happening to the appeal then? Have I missed something?

 

[SouthAussie]

What's happening to the appeal then? Have I missed something?

No. He is due for sentencing tomorrow. I would think that the appeal will happen after that. Noor is just suggesting some wacky way to 'honour' Justine, by being sentenced to probation and working for a week here and there in a prison workhouse, as well as doing some community work.
If that doesn't work out he'd like to receive a sentence of 1 year and 1 day.


Mohamed Noor, 33, faces a maximum 12.5-year prison sentence when he stands before Judge Kathryn Quantance in Minneapolis tomorrow (Saturday AEST) after a jury convicted him in April of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
Justine Ruszczyk's killer suggests bizarre jail sentence 'to honour her death'

 

[SouthAussie]

As expected, letters (44 of them) speaking of the kindness and compassion that Noor has exhibited are pouring into the courthouse.

One would hope that Justine's friends and family will be given the same consideration ... of all the kindness and compassion they and the world have now lost since Justine was murdered.

Before sentencing, Noor supporters speak of his kindness and compassion

And no surprises here .... "Some family members and others who know him also questioned the impact of a long sentence for Noor, arguing that it could complicate police recruitment efforts in the Somali American community."

 

[Trident]

Thing is, there was no honor in her death, nor any rhyme nor reason IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Thing is, there was no honor in her death, nor any rhyme nor reason IMO

Agree. Nothing can take away his actions of that night. Nothing can ease the pain. Justine is gone due to his reckless behaviour. He should be treated the same as any other murderer.