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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty P View Post
    ELOCsoul, I downloaded and read your book. It contains some good information. One thing you mentioned was that in the area where Notch hung out there had been a series of robberies - someone breaking into cars and stealing items. I wonder if Mary had been hanging out with her friend and Notch at some time that summer and saw them commit some of these crimes. Perhaps they were extorting money from her with the threat that they would tell her parents that she was involved in the thefts. I seriously doubt she was, but she could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps they were concerned that when she stopped giving them money, she would report their activities. It could provide an additional motive for them kidnapping the girls and killing them.

    An alternate scenario could have involved using drugs, smoking pot with a similar threat used to extort money from her.
    I agree with you that this is a possibility. Also, one thing the Fox 9 story did not mention was that Notch was positively identified in a pair of purse snatchings in 1976. Those went unprosecuted in favor of charged in the Dukowitz case.

    Herb Notch has three common elements in all his 1970’s crimes: a knife, money, and at least one accomplice.

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    Rob, Do you know if there is any information recorded on the Station Wagon in the police files? Owner, Tag #, anything that might indicate where it had been or had been registered previously? I got a good bit of information which may relate to other cases from your book. I am not sure if you have any idea about any of the other possible links. I think Wagner may have some connections to Texas. I also think the missing couple which I understand is also an open case, may have some connections to another case as well. If you want information on those, PM me.

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    I found your book well-written and full of a lot of information. I am always looking at things in books on these cases from both sides. Unfortunately, you can never tell whether the information is meant to lead you toward or away from useful information. After reading it, I wondered if the suspects may all have been involved in "knowing or sharing information" about this and other crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schipperke View Post
    Rob, Do you know if there is any information recorded on the Station Wagon in the police files? Owner, Tag #, anything that might indicate where it had been or had been registered previously? I got a good bit of information which may relate to other cases from your book. I am not sure if you have any idea about any of the other possible links. I think Wagner may have some connections to Texas. I also think the missing couple which I understand is also an open case, may have some connections to another case as well. If you want information on those, PM me.
    I don’t recall the police reports saying anything about who owned the car, but Susie did say that Notch and Wagner referred to someone else, and that led her to believe that’s whose car they were in. The name escapes me now, but it’s in the book. I’m away from home at the moment but will check when I return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schipperke View Post
    I found your book well-written and full of a lot of information. I am always looking at things in books on these cases from both sides. Unfortunately, you can never tell whether the information is meant to lead you toward or away from useful information. After reading it, I wondered if the suspects may all have been involved in "knowing or sharing information" about this and other crimes.
    Thank you for your kind words. I have no training or background in writing, so getting more experience has helped improve the storytelling a bit.

    I strive to remain objective in the information I present, and when possible I try to show both sides to an issue or alternate explanations. In the Jacob Wetterling book, for example, I presented the case for The Stearns Truth tapes, but then show why the siblings behind them and other folks involved may have had motivations to fabricate the story.


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    I have your book with all my notes highlighted in it. It was the seemingly minor details in you book that drew my attention--the same things that some readers find annoying. You can't please everyone. I would like to discuss them with you, but not in open forum. The name of the person who was referred to as the owner in your book was "Chuck." Charles Myers was the name which Edward Wayne Edwards claimed was his "birth name." Edwards used lots of aliases according to the book on him titled, "It's Me. . . the Serial Killer you Never Heard Of." This man went on an old 50's TV show (To Tell the Truth, I think it was) bragging about his escapades and killings. Many still believe it was a show-stunt and the book is fabricated. I found genealogy evidence this man may have crossed paths with another alias-user/claimed-serial killer Earl VanDorn Best (Subject in book, "The Most Dangerous Animal of All"), and they may have been connected through a family marriage. This book was written by a man claiming to be Best's biological son who was abandoned as an infant and adopted out only to find out later who he was at birth. Interesting is the fact that both books claim the subjects were the Zodiac Killer. Both claim to have been prolific in having "families with children" scattered across the US. Both are now deceased, but some of the children are now speaking out. Sorting out verification of information contained in books, is time consuming to say the least, and I am not saying everything is true--I am only saying that I am looking for ways to verify. Finding out how accurate you were with the Jacob Wetterling case was a big plus in trust. Congratulations!

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    ELOC do you think Welch could have been involved as well?

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    Since Herb Notch is deceased, I don't think Stearns County has incentive to find what happened to the Recker girls. Or, maybe they know they can no longer find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ckorte81 View Post
    Actually the locations of where that store was is in incorrect. If you type in google map 0cashwise Waite Park 45 2nd st South Waite Park you will see from the Reker residence to that cashwise is 51 min walk. If you google Zayres St. Cloud 1974 you look at the building it is the cashwise in Waite Park. Then if you map out from cash wise to the quarry park you see that is 2 miles which is notated how far the quarry is to the last store location they were seen at. Not to mention it states shopko across the street. I just got done reading the book. What I like to know is what kind of car did notch have? Selling knives made me think of cutco. Was he a salesman for them on the side? Did the guy whom seen them at Zayres happen to catch the license plate number to the blue Chevy impala? How many people owned one at that time? Could they not search the data base at the DMV and get list of everyone who has owned a blue Chevy impala? St. Cloud I guess is big but out skirts isnít that big. Also did Mary leave any other clues in her diary? I pray Rita gets her answer. My father in law whom passed away back in 2012 his family growing up used to live on their street and they were friends and went to the same church. So I pray Rita and the rest of her family find the answers they waited for for many decades.
    Sorry, you are wrong about Zayre Shopper City. The Cash Wise over on Waite Ave was built some time in the 1990's. The location of Zayre Shopper City was in fact at 33rd Ave s and Division St, where the current Save a Lot is located. Your confusion comes from the fact that the Zayre Shopper City building was torn down and replaced by the strip mall currently at that location. I know this because I was born and raised in St Cloud and went there often. I was also a classmate of Suzanne Reker for two days at John XXIII Middle School. We were in the same home room.

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    Changes over time, especially after 40 years,are easy to cause confusion. Same is true of adoptions, living with other family members, or taking on other names. It makes things harder to trace. Sometimes simple things can really mean more that we realize. The same is true of any "hidden" information whether it is deliberate or not. If this was a simple and plain case, it would have been solved long ago. What I realized in reading your post is that a girl was found near a Zayre store in Maryland (she later died without regaining consciousness) about the same time as the Lyon girls disappeared in 1975. I think there was a suspect in the case named Coffey from Bristol, TN/VA area. I think he actually ended up in prison in one of the Carolinas where he died or was executed. Could there be more cases which involve the Zayre chain in the periphery in any other of the missing/murdered cases? I am not sure how wide the chain reached or who owned the chain. It is any less important that recognizing the fact that there were carnivals at a number of the locations on these cases? I am not saying "it is a factor;" I am only says it "could be a factor" to keep on the table just in case there might possible connections to be found in other cases. Were any suspects or victims associated with the Zayre chain, even if only as regular customers? Sometimes little tidbits mean a lot more than we realize. Until you challenged the location put in book, I never even considered the possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    Since Herb Notch is deceased, I don't think Stearns County has incentive to find what happened to the Recker girls. Or, maybe they know they can no longer find out.
    A witness saw Notch and another person harassing Mary and Susanne that day. The man was wearing a green jacket, but has never been identified. There is speculation that it was Steven Notch, Herb's brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thenotebook View Post
    ELOC do you think Welch could have been involved as well?

    I know that Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole were interviewed in the case, not sure about Welch.

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