JMO8778 said:
That's what I was going by...JR's statement,and wondering if he intentionally said that,in order to throw suspicion off himself for the actual murder itself.
I meant to ask this earlier,but do you(UK) (or anyone else for that matter) think this murder was planned? I agree that it seems intentional;I've always thought so..one look at that huge crack and hole in JB's skull seems no accident to me.No way.
I ask about planned b/c of the way the R's behaved after the murder ..some of it seems similar to what they did beforehand..like maybe they went to the White's just to be seen with JB that evening,(and to throw suspicion onto them) ..and stopped by to drop off the baskets on the way home,again for the same reason.And what I find most suspect is they told the bigger kids to meet with them *after xmas.So it seems they didn't want them there then,on purpose,for some sinister reason?(I don't beleive JB would have been killed then if the big kids and the finance had been there..too many witnesses).Since JR was pretending to be such a family man,if that were true then it seems he would have wanted them all there on xmas day,esp to welcome the new fiance into the family.
As well as I recall PR saying they 'even had tickets to go on disney's big red boat'. (So what,that doesn't mean they didn't kill her).Maybe that was done on purpose,to make it appear they had plans?I'm suspect b/c in DOI,JR comments that "PR was even getting outfits ready for a pageant in Jan." ..as if he felt the need to show they had future plans w. JB,which seemed odd to me..of course they would,if they didnt plan to kill her.
IOW,the whole xmas scenerio ,and maybe even the days b/f it(or after the 23rd?,re: 911 call made then),could have been a ruse? Maybe someone(s) wanted to silence JB forever and it was planned?
Also...since the scream was heard coming from the basement,do you think she was slammed against a hard surface there and if so..what?
The most logical scenerio I can think of that fits is JB was taken to the basement,molested there,and either or both parents killed her after that.(Although I think some of the assualt was later staged w. the paintbrush handle, to cover for past abuse).Thx for any comments,you're certainly one of the most knowledgeable here !
JMO8778,
Yes JonBenet's death appears deliberate and intentional, whether it was premeditated is up for debate.
Current forensic science can tell you from what angle a skull was fractured, since prior theories have been disconfirmed by research conducted at the
Body Farm where they research this subject using donated corpses.
And JonBenet's skull fracture appears to have been applied from behind with a slight angle to the initial impact, the fissures aparently can radiate outwards then back to the point of impact, causing anterior fissures, but dont quote me on this.
To me it seems her head fracture and asphyxiation were two separate events, both
intending to make sure she was killed, dead, and the staging was applied to mask this?
JonBenet was
not killed in the basement, thats why she was deposited down there and dressed to appear as if she had been abducted from her bed. All the evidence points to Patsy as the wine-cellar stager, so why would Patsy sexually assault JonBenet, when at this stage it was a kidnap-ransom that was being setup?
The other assumption you can make is that there may have been a prior staging that incorporated a sexual assault? But how does that work given there is no garrote, or size-12 underwear, who enters a millionaires house in the middle of the night to strangle and fracture the skull of a 6-year old simply to engage in some
digital penetration quoting Coroner Meyer?
Why did she need cleaned up, and wiped down, why were her size-6 pants removed, what sexual psychopath bothers to remove her underwear as a trophy, and is then concerned enough to redress her in size-12 pants?
It appears as if she was sexually assaulted first then cleaned up, and redressed to hide this, with Patsy
possibly inserting the paintbrush to explain away the acute injury? Coroner Meyer will know if the
missing piece of the paintbrush handle was
left inside JonBenet?
I doubt she was sexually abused in the basement, the whole house was available for this purpose, e.g. the den, JR's bedroom etc. But JonBenet fits the profile of child being sexually abused, her pageant appearances could simply have been part and parcel of her grooming and induction into adult sexual behaviour.
The pageants may have fulfilled a psychological need in both parents, Patsy's has been well documented, less so has JR's, but it is worth noting that JonBenet's pageant role models will have been a prior generations little girl star's, or potential fantasy material for male pedophiles from that generation. In short who taught JonBenet her sexualized routines and were they incorporated into her sexual abuse?
There are private photographs of JonBenet which have not been made public, these may show JonBenet dressed in her pageant clothing, posing in a suggestive manner, why else the questioning or the search for further material in both of the Ramsey households? The photographing of children in this manner is something pedophiles habitually undertake.
Was JonBenet's death planned, its unlikely since its execution was a mess, to be blunt.
But I would suggest she was being sexually abused prior to her death, possibly incorporating her to be dressed up in pageant mode, she may have been taped or photographed, hence the missing tapes? So was JonBenet fed the pineapple literally as a sweetner prior to her abuse, did a sexual rage overtake her killer, because JonBenet found the courage to say
no?
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