FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #18

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This is all totally my opinion.

What am I missing here: it seems to me that the "new evidence" (for us and the public, I mean, since LE may have known about this for some time) is the pinging of Michelle's phone along Hoffner, west of Semoran at 4:30 on 11/17, with the implication that the cell was with the Hummer at the time. To me, that is a rather important tidbit because it narrows the time for when the Hummer or the cell or both left Carter Glen. It certainly adds an item to our timeline, at the very least. It also indicates that the "Waterford" text happened four minutes before that time, which could have even put the "Waterford" ping at or very near the condos.

It also might tend to eliminate the chance that the vehicles recorded leaving on the section of the neighbor's surveillance video that we have seen are Michelle's Hummer, unless, of course, the cell was actually separate from the Hummer at 4:30, and moving along Hoffner in some other vehicle.

I realize that the source of this information was MSM, who printed the tidbit of info at the very end of articles as if it were an afterthought, and showed a video of Yvonne repeating what she had heard from LE. So as always, we can be skeptical about veracity. But to me, that is the closest we've had to something new in a long time.

As I said, all my own opinion!

When I heard Yvonne ask for help... if anyone saw the Hummer that afternoon at 4:30 PM on Hoffner....my first thought was

Whoa the Hummer was there???

Not sure if she said that as that were her thoughts or if LE had told her more.... because my only thought was of Michelles phone being on hoffner and which Smith's vehicle was her phone in???:waitasec:
 
Why is the new boyfriend not even being mentioned as a suspect... where was he? If a bite to eat was scheduled and she didn't show--did he ever call the family asking where she was? What if he is crazy stalker type and thought she stayed inside Dale Jrs too long and was following her--- I know Dale Jr has an awful lot of circumstantial evidence building here, but thats because we have access to some info---wonder if any case can be built about the new man?
 
Why is the new boyfriend not even being mentioned as a suspect... where was he? If a bite to eat was scheduled and she didn't show--did he ever call the family asking where she was? What if he is crazy stalker type and thought she stayed inside Dale Jrs too long and was following her--- I know Dale Jr has an awful lot of circumstantial evidence building here, but thats because we have access to some info---wonder if any case can be built about the new man?

The family says the boyfriend is cleared, and my guess would be that Le have good reasons to make DS the only suspect even if they don't share those with us right now imo.
 
I mean I'm not trying to down anything that NG said, i think it's great she still is talking about this case.....all i was asking was she made it sound like there was breaking news, but really only thing found was the video and the phone which was found a while back...
 
Thanks lauriej for this update.. Obviously NOT the news that all of us wanted to hear.. Just so very frustrating that an 11yr old's testimony of Dale beating Michelle on more than one occasion in front of himself and his two toddler siblings IS NOT ENOUGH TO WARRANT REMOVAL OF THE TWO TODDLERS!!!.. You add to that already damning piece of evidence the fact that the same guardian that was testified to have beat his children's mother in their presence.. Adding him being publicly named THE ONLY PRIME SUSPECT in the investigation of the woman that testimony was given that he'd beaten on multiple occasions, her missing and very likely murdered.. Well.. It's enough to make my head feel as tho it's going to explode!!

I'm dumbfounded.. The parent/guardian has physically abused and beaten his children's mother IN FRONT OF ALL THREE OF HER CHILDREN!!!.. And now she has involuntarily disappeared and very likely deceased.. The parent/guardian has been publicly identified as LE's sole person of interest..LE's one and ONLY PRIME SUSPECT responsible for her abduction/and very likely murder.. Yet he is continued granted sole and complete unsupervised custody of the two toddlers who witnessed him physically beating their mother who now is stripped and completely gone from their little lives!!!!.. It's an injustice!! I don't understand and I certainly will hold this judge solely responsible if something were to happen to those precious, innocent babies who are completely defenseless against this man!! This MONSTER!!

I mean what's to keep him from harming them when the hammer finally comes down on him in his being charged with their mother's abduction and murder?!? What or who is to protect them then?!?!!? Because the vast majority of us fully realize that the day is coming for those charges to happen.. It is not a matter of "IF".. It is only a matter of when will those charges come.. And when they do this obviously unstable, long history severe abuser will be EXTREMELY DESPERATE!!!.. So desperate that anyone with half a brain would know that at the point when the charges come that this man WILL HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE IN HIS TAKING BOTH HIS CHILDREN's LIVES ALONG WITH HIS OWN!!!.. This is not theoretically this is fact!! When the hammer slams down with the charges brought this man full well knows that it is the very end of the road for him!!! That when he's taken into custody on these charges that he will NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN at the very least, possibly even DEATH!!.. Do they not see the grave danger that these two precious twins are left in???

What does the man have to lose?? He knows the gig is up and IMO is unstable enough to see it as a viable way out in his committing suicide and for the final eff you to Michelle's precious family in his taking the lives of those precious twins as he knows at this point they are EVERYTHING to Michelle's family!!!

Can someone please tell me why in the hell that Florida's Dept of Children's Services cannot see what extraordinary grave danger these precious twins are in??? I'm dumbfounded and I'm furiously angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add the fact that he was holding his daughter while attempting to attack Michelle....( in the past)...

I just hope when they do arrest Dale the twin are at Yvonne for visitation.

I dont understand either...
 
Why is the new boyfriend not even being mentioned as a suspect... where was he? If a bite to eat was scheduled and she didn't show--did he ever call the family asking where she was? What if he is crazy stalker type and thought she stayed inside Dale Jrs too long and was following her--- I know Dale Jr has an awful lot of circumstantial evidence building here, but thats because we have access to some info---wonder if any case can be built about the new man?

Im sure LE has checked but he did try to communicate with Michelle that afternoon and got no response from her...
My bet his phone didnt ping anywhere Michelle's pinged.... and if he went in late to work....because they had coffee that morning...he might have a good alibi....
 
IF Michelle's iPhone was pinging on Hoffner at 4:30 and IF the surveillance video does show the Hummer leaving naked at 4:40pm THEN QED Michelle's phone left the condo before the Hummer did. That leads me back to the idea MOO MOO MOO that Dale had someone at the condo to take the kids to his folks because he "had chores to do."

I keep feeling more and more strongly that this event was planned and that Dale manipulated others into helping him--knowingly or not.
 
Why is the new boyfriend not even being mentioned as a suspect... where was he? If a bite to eat was scheduled and she didn't show--did he ever call the family asking where she was? What if he is crazy stalker type and thought she stayed inside Dale Jrs too long and was following her--- I know Dale Jr has an awful lot of circumstantial evidence building here, but thats because we have access to some info---wonder if any case can be built about the new man?

IIRC, earlier you were convinced that DS2 is responsible for Michelle's disappearance. Did you change your mind? If you have, can you tell me why?

Just interested.
 
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I don't find that route odd at all. She could've cut behind Bob Evans pulled out on to Fern Park Blvd to the Stop Light. That area of Semoran Blvd (436) is noted for heavy, heavy traffic.

Photo from KFC Video


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Is this the KFC that is across from the Habitat for Humanity Restore?? Just trying to get my bearings. If so, I've done the very same thing in order to CROSS Semoran instead of coming out, turning right and then doing a u-ey. If in fact she took that route to cross Semoran, wouldn't she be heading towards Oviedo? On 2nd thought.... would she be headed towards Sanford if she crossed Semoran? I'm LOST!!! lol
 
Is it just me or does Michelle look younger? When I first saw her picture I thought she in her mid to late 20's.
 
Is this the KFC that is across from the Habitat for Humanity Restore?? Just trying to get my bearings. If so, I've done the very same thing in order to CROSS Semoran instead of coming out, turning right and then doing a u-ey. If in fact she took that route to cross Semoran, wouldn't she be heading towards Oviedo? On 2nd thought.... would she be headed towards Sanford if she crossed Semoran? I'm LOST!!! lol

Yes that's the one. If she went to the light and turned L she would be heading towards Maitland and if she went R she would be heading towards Winter Park.
If she was heading towards Sanford she would have to go L at the light and then turn R at the Semoran and 17/92 light.
 
If you still have any doubt here's just the active intersection cams JUST IN THAT AREA(link at the bottom to ALL ACTIVE CAMS).. But here's just for that area[BBM intersection in question]:

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/january/199877

This link is referenced on the question list, too, as of a few weeks ago. I realize it's difficult to slog through 150 plus questions, though. And I need to repost the list for this thread, so I'll get busy with that this morning.
 
Notes: Helpful observations, and information with some official verification that may help toward resolution
Verified: Answered using official verification (may include supplemental evidence)
Value of point/question (by consensus):
A-C, with A being most important;
D = unsleuthable



1. Name and address of the twins’ daycare facility. A,D


2. Time when MP picked up the twins from daycare on 11/17/11. B Notes: Picked up between 2:30 and 3:18 PM


3. What time did MP’s Hummer leave DS II’s condo? A Notes: Hummer left sometime between 3:18 PM and 10:30 PM (Pias, 1/5/12). Suggestion is that Hummer shown leaving at 5:15 PM may be MP’s Hummer.


4. Eyewitness or video of above? A (video) C (eyewitness) Notes: Suggestion is that RG’s surveillance vid does show Hummer leaving, perhaps 5:15 PM vehicle


5. When did DS II leave the condo in his own vehicle? A Notes: Suggestion that we have no evidence of DS II driving his own vehicle at all that day. (andalso, 1/6/12)


6. Did DS II know about RG’s video camera, e.g., did RG ever discuss the camera with DS II? A Notes: The camera is in plain view on the balcony, as seen in photo taken 12/4 by AlwaysWright http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa378/AlwaysWright01/?action=view&current=December4822.jpg. (4BB)


7. Did did others in DS Sr.’s neighborhood see vehicles arriving and leaving on 11/17/11 afternoon? A Notes: MN says that someone was a witness to DS II and the twins being at Rose Ave. house “by 4:30.” We do not know the nature of this observation (i.e. what vehicle DS II drove, whether the witness saw only a vehicle with the twins and not DS II, etc.).


8. Location MP’s cell pinged for 4:26 PM “Waterford” text to brother. A Notes: Phone was said to have pinged in area of S. Orange Ave. and W. Sand Lake Rd, but we know neither the time of that ping, nor whether is was the Waterford text. http://www.cfcrimeline.com/most_recent.htm; Hoffner Rd. moving west of Semoran has been mentioned for MP cell ping at 4:30, but no more specific location, and no confirmation that this was the “Waterford” ping. Chances are good that Waterford ping came from or close to Hoffner near Semoran, as it occurred 4 minutes prior to pings noted at 4:30 there http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...o-of-michelle-parker-from-day-she-disappeared and http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Fa...arker-s-birthday/-/1637132/8455176/-/pj560l/- (captdj, BreathLife21, 1/21/12) See question #170.


9. When was MP supposed to meet boyfriend NM for dinner on 11/17? Notes: Suggestion is, sometime between about 4 PM and 7:00 PM.


10. Phone calls from MP’s family to DS II: (A) when did MP’s sister LE call DS II on 11/17/11 B-, and (B) what time did YS call DS II 11/17/11 evening? A


11. Phone numbers (i.e. cell or land line at condo or Rose Ave.) and times for above calls, by (A) Sister LE B-, and (B) YS ? A


12. If Mrs. DS Sr. (TS) answered the call from YS, what did she say to YS in reference to why DS II couldn’t come to the phone? A Notes: Reports state that TS did answer when YS tried to call DS II. Suggestion from unlocated news story that TS told YS that DS II and DS Jr. had gone out back.


13. When did DS II return YS’s call, from what number, and, if his cell, from what location? A


14. When did LE first contact DS II, and how? A Notes: We are still awaiting confirmation that LE searched DS II’s condo on 11/17; thus far, the only confirmed date we have for a search is 11/18, and we still don’t know when and how first contact was made.


15. Did LE search DS II’s condo on evening of 11/17/11, and if so, when did DS II return to his condo from Rose Ave. evening of 11/17/11 to meet LE? A Notes: DS II posted statement on Facebook at 11:08 PM saying that LE had just searched his condo. Presumption is that LE may have made a quick visit to the condo that evening.


16. When he returned, were the twins with him, or did he leave them at DS Sr.’s house? C


17. Was MP’s cell on the entire time up until it was powered down the evening of 11/17/11, and if it was powered on the entire time, was it moving around constantly (like in a car), or static in one or more locations? What locations have been noted for her cell between 3:18 PM and when it was powered down? Notes: cell pinged in the vicinity of Sand Lake Rd and Orange Ave., time unknown; cell was reportedly found under Nela bridge.


18. Additional unreleased videos or other electronic evidence to track the route of MP’s Hummer after 3:18 PM on 11/17/11 (including OnStar, even if it was inactive). Notes: Helpful information and links explaining EPass--http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7430815&postcount=400 (Sparky, 12/12/11); there is a traffic cam at or near the intersection of Goldenrod and Lee Vista.


19. Additional unreleased eyewitness accounts of Hummer movements around town after 3:18 PM.


20. Details of search warrant for DS Sr.'s house on Rose Ave (i.e. probable cause, etc). Notes: Speculation that reason given for raid was marijuana cultivation on the property.


21. Relative to MP’s boyfriend NM: (A) What is NM’s alibi for 11/17/11 afternoon, and where was he during the times in question? (B) Where does he live/work? Notes: According to Facebook, he worked at United Rentals as a field service tech. in Orlando. He was born 10/1/76, went to high school in Deltona at Deltona HS, from which he graduated in 1995, and lives in Deltona.


22. Who else called or texted MP on 11/17/11 between 2:30 PM and 3:18 PM?


23. Did MP send or receive any texts or make or receive any calls to/from DS II on 11/16 or on 11/17/11 before 3:18 PM?


24. Was DS II’s cell on the entire time, and if it was, what locations have been noted for his cell after 3:18 PM on 11/17/11?


25. Does DS Sr. own a cell? If so, was his cell on the entire time, and what locations have been noted for his cell after 3:18 PM on 11/17/11?


26. What if any evidence did LE find in and on the Hummer?


27. What fingerprints were on MP's Hummer and her purse and belongings, and where were these located in and on the Hummer when it was found?


28. If Dale's prints were found in her Hummer, does he frequently get in her car?


29. Was the Hummer driver's seat set for MP or someone taller?


30. (A) Were all the Hummer mirrors adjusted to the seat level? (B) Whose fingerprints were on the mirror(s)?


31. Was the Hummer recently washed?


32. Did the floor mats and wheel wells of the Hummer or other DS II/Sr. vehicles have any type of dirt, mud, or material that would possibly match up with a body of water, woods, or overgrown areas?


33. What if any evidence did LE find at the Rose Ave. house and in any vehicles at the house?


34. Did LE search DS II’s work van, truck, and any other of his vehicles?


35. ]Did LE check DS II’s trash inside and out?


36. For assumed 11/17/11 search of DS II’s condo, who arrived at the condo for the search first: LE or DS II?


37. If LE was there first, did DS II arrive in his truck & pull into the garage or did someone else drive him, and who?


38. If DS II was already there when LE arrived, (A) were there any other vehicles or persons there with him, and (B) did LE check the hood temps of vehicles parked at the condo?


39. Does DS II own a bicycle, or have access to one at the Rose Avenue house?


40. Confirm ownership of various white vans that appear in RG’s video, in TP’s later interview with RG, in AlwaysWright’s photos, and in survey photos from the tax appraiser website. Notes: Interview shows larger white van in DS II’s driveway (Chevy?), white van shown in RG’s video appears to be different make (Dodge?) (Cerebellum, 12/4); the taillights and door handles are different (Kimb103, 12/4) Pictures comparing DS II’s van and van parked on street in RG’s vid show door handle difference Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Sparky, 12/29/11); DS II’s van has taillights on the upper rear, van parked on street has taillights on lower half of rear Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (captdj, TexasLil 1/5/12); suggestion that the van arriving at 3:18 PM and parked on the street could be an older model Chevy cargo van Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 and Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Kamille, 1/9/12) Survey picture and AlwaysWright’s picture show what appear to be two different white vans parked in the right side of DS II’s driveway. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Lark2, 1/7/12); more ideas about the makes and models of the white vans: van parked on street in surveillance vid is Dodge Ram, van parked in DS II’s driveway in AlwaysWright’s photos is GMC Savannah. (?) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Sleuth Decay, 1/9/12).


41. (A) Did DS II have his own car seats for the twins, or did DS II and MP share car seats? (B) Did LE account for all child car seats owned by the families on both sides?


42. Did the Hummer have child car seats when found?


43. Did/will LE search bodies of water near the parking lot where the Hummer was found?


44. Would it be possible and effective for LE to use heat sensors from helicopters, at night, to help in searches?


45. Has LE used or will they use metal detectors to aid in finding the cell phone during searches? Notes: LE located cell; see #78 for new questions


46. Where is DS II’s unit located within the condo, especially with respect to his neighbor RG’s camera? Verified: Orange County property records http://www.ocpafl.org/ indicate address as 6598 S. Goldenrod unit 97C, photos of DS II’s condo http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa378/AlwaysWright01/ show that unit C (DS II’s unit) is the right hand unit, RG lives on the left side unit, and RG’s camera captures his parking area and a portion of the street to the northeast of his side of the unit (AlwaysWright, 12/4)


47. If Carter Glen (DS II’s condo complex) has cameras or other devices at the north and south entrances and exits to the complex, did one or more capture any images or records of MP’s Hummer arriving and/or leaving on 11/17/11, along with time of arrival and departure? Notes: The gates to the complex are closed and require one of the following: (1) Enter a specific code to open gate (Guests given code by Homeowner); (2) Card or Gate Opener to open gate (Homeowner); (3) Use the directory to contact Homeowner so they can buzz you in using phone; (4) Follow a car that has been granted access. (AlwaysWright, 12/5) Carter Glen resident said that cameras at entrance to condos had captured an image of the Hummer leaving—time unknown—without the decals. Always Wright visited the condos and noted a stand for a video camera at the entrances along with signage in the complex that the area is under surveillance. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #14 (AlwaysWright, 12/15)


48. Did Carter Glen cameras or other devices capture any images or records of DS II’s vehicles arriving or leaving on 11/17/11 and 18, along with time of arrival and departure? Notes: See comments to #47


49. Did Carter Glen cameras or other devices capture any images or records of DS II’s family's or friends' vehicles arriving or leaving on 11/17/11? Notes: See comments to #47


50. Does DS Sr. have restrictions or physical disabilities that prevent him from being able to drive?


51. Did DS II spend the night of 11/17/11, after the LE search, at his condo?


52. What time did DS II leave his condo for work on Friday, 11/18/11?


53. What vehicle was he driving from his condo on 11/18/11 AM?


54. Did he make any stops to load work materials, change vehicles, etc. before leaving Orlando area, and if so, where?


55. What route did he take to reachTitusville Palm Bay? Notes: Updated information that DS II had a job in Palm Bay instead of Titusville on Friday, 11/18/11.


56. What time did he arrive at his work destination in Titusville Palm Bay?


57. Address of work destination inTitusville Palm Bay?


58. What evidence has LE found at any warehouses, storage facilities, or other properties to which DS II or Sr. has access? Notes: Some properties owned by DS Jr. and Sr. now or in the past include 1982 Rose Blvd Home; 1984 Allied Roofing bORN - Listed as Rose Blvd Address; 2002 Lot & Unit at Sky Lake; 2005 Property off of Church St. no address just legal desc; 2005 Property at Pineway Drive - Sold the same year as acquired; 2007 Another property and unit on Sky Lake ; 2008 Condo in Carter Glen (Angelonline, 12/04, per Orange Co Comptroller Records); http://paarcgis2.ocpafl.org/ObliqueView/default.aspx?pid=292229000000174 property at S. Mission Rd. off 526 belonging to DS Sr. (Cerebellum, 12/7); LE search canal behind house owned by DS Sr. at 6806 Chaucer Ln. (occupied by DS Sr’s sister according to neighbors) on 12/9. Map of parcels owned by DS Sr. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap2/...2322620803130|292326808707920|302323120597030 (Coldpizza, 12/9)


59. In the days or weeks prior to 11/17/11, did MP express to friends or family members any apprehension about or annoyance with someone she encountered at her workplace or elsewhere? Any evidence of a “secret admirer”?


60. Does MP have a storage unit, and has this been checked for evidence by LE?


61. Stills from RG’s video show two different dark SUV vehicles leaving at two different times on 11/17/11, ie 17:17 and 16:40 (5:17 PM and 4:40 PM). LE has reported that the Hummer leaving on the video at 16:40 belongs to a neighbor on the street, not MP. Is the other departing vehicle a Hummer, and does it belong to MP or to yet another neighbor? Notes: Hummer leaving at 16:40 appears to be a dark grey color (notmissing, 12/04) Black SUV leaving at 17:17 has a license plate centered on the back, which is different license plate placement than MP’s Hummer, which is left rear (SmoothOperator, 12/6) Photos of 08 Hummers confirm the plates to be on the left rear. MP’s Hummer is thought to be an 08. (Taagean & SmoothOperator 12/6); Original video Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 and correction statement by MSN Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Sparky, 12/29/11); Post by Tony Pipitone about correction Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #4 Suggestion that what appears to be a centered plate on :the vehicle departing at 17:17 may actually be the road between left back and left front tires. (4BB, 1/3/12)


62. Activities, times, locations and other details, including calls and texts, demeanor, conversation topics, etc., of MP’s day on 11/17/11, beginning when she arises and ending with 3:18 PM arrival at DS II’s condo. Notes: SmoothOperator’s most recent timeline Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 12:22 video of MP at KFC drivethru at 12:22 on 11/17/11 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...parker-missing-video-20120120,0,6141764.story


63. In the video of the condo search, DS II’s truck is in the garage. Where is DS II's work van at that time?


64. When did MP and NM meet face to face on 11/17/11, and when did they talk or text one another on their cells that day, other than the 3:15 text? Notes: NM and MP met for coffee in AM, time unknown.


65. When did NM try to contact MP (text or call her cell) after 3:18 PM on 11/17/11?


66. If incoming white van as recorded by RG’s video, (subsequently parked on the street) is that of a neighbor or visitor to the condos, what did the driver of that van observe relative to MP, DS II, the twins, MP’s Hummer?


67. Did MP have any mobile tanning appointments on 11/17/11, and when? With new or established customers?


68. DS II’s visitation with the twins: (A) Did DS II have regularly scheduled visitation? (B) Was 11/17/11 a scheduled visitation day for him to take the twins? (C) If not, what are the details of how and when this visitation was arranged?


69. Where did MP park the Hummer when she was dropping off the twins at DS II’s? Notes: RG's vid indicates that the incoming Hummer was driving in middle of road (perhaps to avoid the red car parked at the north curb), and may not have been able to pull into the garage driveway. Suggestion is that she may have parked to the west of the condo.


70. Was DS II’s garage open, or did MP go to the front door of the condo?


71. What vehicles were parked inside or in the driveway of DS II’s garage, or at the curb, when MP arrived to drop off the twins?


72. Has LE searched or will they search (A)Titusville Palm Bay areas, and (B)possible route(s) from Orlando to Titusville Palm Bay, and what evidence was found, if any? Notes: See #165 for (A)


73. What time did MP’s 11 year old son arrive home from school on 11/17/11? Notes: MP’s sister LE said that the child usually got off the bus at around 3:30 PM


74. Did he try calling his mom, and what time(s) did he try calling her? Notes: MP’s sister LE said that the child usually called his mother when he got off the school bus.


75. Did anyone attempt to call or text MP between 3:18 and 4:26 on 11/17/11?


76. DS II’s neighbor with the cam, RG, was not home when MP arrived, and says he saw nothing when he did arrive home. What time did RG arrive home?


77. Other than DS II’s mother and father, who else received subpoenas as of 12/6?


78. Where, when and how was MP’s cell found? Notes: On 12/7, LE released news that MP’s cell was found, thrown in the water near Lake Conway from a bridge, although which of two possible bridges is uncertain at this time; Bob Kealing identifies correct bridge as on Nela 12/9 ( ?) News report suggests that cell wasn’t found due to one specific tip Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13 (JerseyGirl, 12/13) and at end of video: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/121211-divers-searching-for-michelle-parker; Photos of both bridges, with Nela Bridge brush appearing more disturbed Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #14 (AlwaysWright); cell may have been in the brush, not the water. Posting on Marinade Dave’s journal where he tells of YS pointing out on a map where the phone was found. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (captdj, Kamille, 1/12/12). BP said on NG show 1/23/12 that phone was found simply by searching bodies of water along route DS II may have taken to Rose Ave. house


79. On which side of the bridge was the cell found, to help determine direction car was traveling? Notes: May be difficult to determine no matter the direction of the vehicle, since driver could toss out of driver's side window, or driver or passenger could toss out of passenger window. The phone was found on the northwest side of the bridge Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (captdj, Kamille, 1/12/12).


80. What, if any, is the forensic evidence recovered from the cell?


81. What data, if any, was recovered from the cell?


82. Did MP attempt to call eleven y o son around 3:30 on, on 11/17/11?


83. Have dumpsters in the Carter Glen Condos (and other significant locations) and the associated landfills been searched, and evidence found?


84. In respect to DS II’s reported presence at the Rose Ave. house: (A) did DS II take the twins to DS Sr.’s house on 11/17/11, (B) at what time and in what vehicle did he leave his condo with the twins and arrive at the Rose Ave. house, (C) who was the witness who confirmed he arrived “by” 4:30, and (D) what did this witness actually observe about the arrival? Notes: MN, attorney for DS II and DS Sr., said that a witness can verify that DS II had arrived at the Rose Ave. house at 4:30 PM. http://www.wesh.com/r/29958175/detail.html (Analyze This).


85. Did DS II have a standard routine when he had the twins, and if so, did his actions/movement on 11/17/11 afternoon vary from that routine?
 
IF Michelle's iPhone was pinging on Hoffner at 4:30 and IF the surveillance video does show the Hummer leaving naked at 4:40pm THEN QED Michelle's phone left the condo before the Hummer did. That leads me back to the idea MOO MOO MOO that Dale had someone at the condo to take the kids to his folks because he "had chores to do."

I keep feeling more and more strongly that this event was planned and that Dale manipulated others into helping him--knowingly or not.

I think the biggest thing about the cell phone pinging in that area at 4:30pm is pointing out the lies of DSJr regarding what happened that afternoon. We know she got there about 3:18pm and now we know her phone was still in the area around 4:30pm....apparently just leaving. There's the 72 minutes. We know that DSJr said she got there around 4pm and left around 4:10pm. Big problem. No wonder he's the prime suspect. I wonder what MN thinks of this new information? It's apparent that someone was still at the condo at or around 4:26pm for the Waterford text. I'd really love to know who verified that DSJr was at his parent's home, with the children by this time. Maybe he was. So who was at the condo with MP's phone?

MOO
 
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D = unsleuthable


86. Will or have the twins been interviewed by LE, and if interviewed, what observations did they offer about what they remember from 11/17/11? Notes: The Today Show reports twins removed from DS II’s home, questioned by LE, spent the night with Parker’s mom and were returned to DS II the following day after the hearing about custody. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45490...-dad-tv-show-disappearance-case/#.Tw3kQfkrc7l (Pias, 12/30/11).


87. Did LE search DS II’s condo on evening of 11/18/11 (Fri). If so, details of search. Notes: MSM states that they were present and filming at the 11/18/11 search of DS II’s condo.


88. Details of where and when cadaver dogs have been used in this case, with evidence obtained. Notes: MP’s father, when talking about the raid on the Rose Ave. house, mentioned that dogs were used, and “they didn’t come up with nothing.” http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...ovember/349745 (TexasLil, 1/11/12)


89. Was the spare tire cover gone when the Hummer was found by LE?


90. Does DS II have a current girlfriend?


91. Is it possible that a cell phone could stay on a significant length of time, even when underwater?


92. When did MP last gas up the Hummer?


93. Could car have been gassed up by perp? Paper trail?


94. Use of odometer reading and/or fuel level and mileage of Hummer to determine how far it was driven after 3:18 PM on 11/17/11.


95. Where did MP live, and with whom? Verified: The family, including MP, lives on a few acres in Geneva, FL. Rural and very nice. (Sparky, 12/11) They live on Guy Court in Seminole County. (Fact Finder, 12/14)


96. Who is the owner of the Chevy Impala with either an open or bent trunk, shown in photos of DS II’s condo (http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa378/AlwaysWright01/ taken by AlwaysWright on 12/4)? Notes: Has Mass. Plate. Exmp pictured at http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/12/green_license_p.html (Cerebellum); plates seem to read 100-ATE ( Misfitdolly) or possibly 100-AYE (Pias, 12/29/11).


97. What kind of keychain/keyfob did MP have? Any special features?


98. How many sets of keys existed for the Hummer, and did DS II have a set?


99. Was the Hummer locked when finally located by LE? Does the Hummer have an automatic lock (locking after a time)?


100. Was the “Waterford” text an auto-correct fail?


101. What type of decal was the Glow decal on the Hummer rear window—static cling or adhesive?


102. Alligator behavior with remains. Notes: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13 and Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13 (Swamp Mama, 12/13) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13 (Reality Orlando, 12/14)


103. Did LE take DS II’s computer and cell, and what evidence was obtained from these? Notes: YS and MN told MSM that DS II had voluntarily surrendered his computers to LE. (No confirmation on the cell.)


104. Was MP’s tanning equipment in the Hummer when it was found, and was the equipment intact?


105. Other than MP’s cell and keys, what other personal items were missing when the Hummer was found.


106. Was MP’s wallet missing, in her handbag, or in the Hummer but separate from the handbag?


107. Does DS II still work for MASCO Cabinetry, located at 2901 Titan Row, Orlando? Verified: Tony Pipitone confirmed that this is DS II’s employer.Websleuths Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13 ; another division (home services) on 8210 President’s Dr. (Lark2, 1/11/12).


108. Did DS II make any suspicious purchases prior to 11/17/11, i.e. a large cooler?


109. Any eyewitness accounts or other evidence that DS II had visitors other than MP and twins before, at, or soon after 3:18 on 11/17/11 at Carter Glen condos?


110. What has LE discovered about the activities of DS II’s close friends on 11/17/11? Notes: According to MSM film, “Mystery woman” accompanied DS II to the custody hearing, and at Rose Ave. house afterwards, got into the passenger side of his truck.


111. Is LE viewing/using the unedited PC episode, for clues or insight? Would they consider subpoenaing the PC judge? Notes: TPC website: http://peoplescourt.warnerbros.com/schedule.html Aired in Orlando 2pm, WOFL/FOX Show #: 15046 VTR DATE (recorded): 10/15/11 Case #: 21-129 Case Title: Tossing it all away Add'l info: was aired as 2nd case out of 3 during that episode. (Pias, 12/30/11) Show # updated: PC15054 VTR (Video Tape Recording) DATE 10/15/11 Case # 21-112 Case Title: Throwing it all Away (1st of 3 for that date). (nobodynoz, 1/15/12).


112. Is there a door into DS II’s condo from inside the garage? Verified: Layout of “C” unit condos shows access into the garage from the unit. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (TexasLil, 1/5/12).


113. What are DS II’s normal work hours and work days, and did he work on 11/17/11?


114. What are Michelle’s normal work hours and work days, both at the bar, and for other business activities, such as the tanning business and the salon?


115. Has LE explored the exchanges and relationship between DS II and MP before, during, and in the months after the PC episode was taped, and with what results?


116. Has LE considered any tie-in between MP’s disappearance and those of other missing women in the Orlando area? Have they rejected any connection, or still hold open the possibility?


117. Any confirmed eyewitness accounts or electronic evidence of DS Sr. and/or DS II moving/using a boat on or after 11/17/11? Notes: Rumor is that DS Sr.’s neighbor caught Sr.’s Hummer (?) with boat attached on video http://buckethead.realradio.fm/playe...l&mid=21627148


118. Has/will LE search the Bay Lake area, with adjacent small bodies of water and woods? Evidence obtained, if any.


119. Did MP have one or more tanning clients in the Walden Circle apartments (where the Hummer was found by LE)? Notes: Rumor only/has not been confirmed: website indicates that residents in the area had seen the Hummer with the airtanning decals parked near the spot where the Hummer was found by police 3 or 4 times before 11/17/11. Suggestion was that MP may have had tanning clients in the apartments. http://marinadedave.com/journal/2011...-michelle.html


120. If so, how many times had she visited Walden Circle client(s), and over what period of time?


121. If so, who, besides MP and the client(s) at Walden Circle, would have known of her visits there?


122. Would MP’s Hummer fit inside DS II’s garage? Was there room in his garage for the Hummer, considering any items stored there? Notes: According to poster on a Hummer forum, an H3 fits in a standard garage http://www.hummerforums.com/forum/hummer-h3-17/few-pics-my-ride-22554/#post240931 (post #8 and #9) (Cerebellum, 12/17)


123. Does DS Sr. own a Hummer, and what color? Impounded by LE, and any evidence obtained? Notes: See #117; pictures of Rose Ave. house during LE raid show a dark SUV with a trailer hitch that is, perhaps, a Ford Explorer or Expedition Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 side note that comparison of this vehicle with the dark SUV captured on RG’s cam at 17:17 on 11/17/11 appear not to be the same vehicle (Kamille, Kimb103, and stg)


124. If DS Sr. owns a boat, was this impounded by LE, and any evidence obtained? Notes: Boat appears in Google satellite view of the Rose Ave. house. (Bern, 12/19)


125. Does MP have friends, acquaintances, clients, or prospective clients at the Carter Glen condos (condos where DS II lives)?


126. Will LE use or have they used side-scan sonar in the search? Notes: Several news sources report that this type of sonar was used in the search of the retention pond near to DS Sr.’s house on Rose Ave.


127. After the PC episode aired on 11/17/11, DS II was rumored to have posted comments on Facebook about the episode. If he did, what comments did he post, and when?


128. Did DS II ever have conversations in the past with friends and others where he talked about how/where to hide a body?


129. DS II is rumored to have lived in the Walden Circle area at some point in the past. Details?


130. Rural and/or secluded areas (woods, swamp, marsh, bodies of water, etc.) DS II had visited/was familiar with in the Orlando or surrounding area before 11/17/11. Notes: Star Wars fan flick was possibly filmed in woods near/on Stewart homestead in Geneva.


131. Is there any confirmation by one or more independent eyewitnesses that Michelle was actually driving the Hummer when it entered Carter Glen condos and was captured on film arriving at DS II’s unit at 3:18 PM?


132. (A) Evidence from any surveillance video at the twins’ daycare facility. (B) If video surveillance equipment was present but not working, how long had it been unavailable, and who might have known?


133. Has LE considered/explored the idea of the body being disposed of in Seminole County/the Geneva area, perhaps near the Guy Court property? Details of any searches in that area.


134. What were DS II’s typical parking habits at his condo and at the Rose Ave. house? Notes: In several photos, such as those by AlwaysWright on 12/4/11, aerial survey shots from Tax Appraiser’s website, and TP’s interview of RG, the white van was parked on the right side of DS II’s driveway. In pictures of the 11/18/11 LE visit to his condo, his burgundy truck was parked inside the garage, and survey shots show it parked on the left side of the driveway. (Kamille, 1/5/12)


135. Layout of DS II’s condo. Verified: He lives in condo C, which does not have a balcony over the garages. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Cerebellum)


136. Is burnt orange car captured in a neighbor’s driveway in the surveillance vids the same vehicle as the one shown in pictures at DS Jr.’s Rose Ave house? Notes: Screen captures of burnt orange vehicle in surveillance vid and of car parked at DS Sr.’s house. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (AlwaysWright 12/29/11); Comparison of the cars Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Sparky, 12/29/11) Burnt orange car at Rose Ave. is a Scion xD in a new color that marks it as a 2009 or later ( luvbug622); decal on Scion is Triforce Eagle Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Pias and Sparky, 12/5/12) Suggestion that vehicle at condos is not a Scion xD (Luvbug622, 1/7/12)


137. In tax appraiser website pictures, a burgundy truck is shown parked in the same driveway as the burnt orange car was on the surveillance vids. Does this burgundy truck belong to DS II? Notes: Tax appraiser shots Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Texas Lil, 12/29/11); AlwaysRight’s photo of DS II’s truck Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Sparky, 12/29/11); additional tax appraiser website shots showing the vehicles in question Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 (Sparky, 12/29/11); DS II’s truck likely to be a Ford 150 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (Jessieann, 1/19/12). Shot of DS II leaving court shows the truck as F150 (at end of video). http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-video-dale-smith-enters-and-leaves-attorneys/vFLcD/.


138. Does DS II know/have friendship with the person who lives in the condo unit associated with #136/7, or is the unit vacant? Notes: See question #143.


139. Will LE search for remains in/around Lake Conway, and if not, why not? Evidence from search, if any. Notes: Detwyler Bridge does not appear to be a possible dump site Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Sparky, 12/31/11).


140. Will LE search Lake Mary, adjacent to Oakridge Road? Evidence, if any.


141. DS II’s interests and hobbies beyond SciFi cons and Star Wars. Notes: May have acting interests, having appeared in three film shorts according to IMDB page http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2343749/.


142. Who are the owners/drivers of the various cars seen at DS II’s condo and DS Sr.’s Rose Ave. house? Notes: Identification and differentiation of some of the vehicles Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (4BB) Silver/Gray SUV was driven by DS Sr.’s wife, with DS Sr. riding, after custody court appearance. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (GrammaMaybe and Camille, 1/1/12) Silver/gray vehicle may be Ford Escape, dark SUV Ford Explorer, blue car with white strip Ford Mustang Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 and Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (4BB, 1/1/12)


143. Identify address, ownership, and current occupancy status of the unit that includes the driveway referenced in question #136/7. Notes: According to attached link, left-most parking space belongs to unit #98C at 6600 S. Goldenrod. http://www.floridapropertyonline.co...o/32822/carter-glen-condo-ph-2/o5077455.html; owner may be home builder D R Horton Inc. or the Arnold family from Maryland. According to the website, the property is for rent, and is vacant at this time. More details in post Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (TruthSleuth, 1/2/12).


144. Does DS II have any ties to the property management company, Reid Rental Management who manage both Carter Glen Condos and Walden Circle Complex? Notes: Property management companies often subcontract out a lot of work to maintain large properties. (Analyze This, 2/3/12).


145. Was there any contractor work being done in Carter Glen on 11/17 involving vacant units and waste management bins for disposal?


146. What clothes and shoes was DS II wearing on 11/17/11 and 11/18/11, and was LE able to retrieve these for testing? Results?


147. Job description of an HOA president? Access to keys, decision-making about security cameras, etc.? Notes: Some powers and responsibilities of an HOA president Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (TexasLil, 1/5/12)


148. What types of vehicles are provided to Masco employees, and which of these vehicles does DS II use?


149. Is the white van parked in DS II’s driveway in AlwaysWright’s 12/4/11 photos personally owned, or owned by Masco? Notes: See also #40


150. Did NG’s surveillance camera capture any sound? Notes: post detailing the camera make and features. The camera appears to be a Swann model (ADW400) that can record sound, however it can be set to not record sound alone in order to save memory. url="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7498677&postcount=891"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16[/url] (Kamille, 1/9/12).


151. Where was DS II’s white van parked on the evening of 11/17/11 when LE visited?


152. Has/will LE searched the woods adjacent to Carter Glen Condos? Results?


153. Is any surveillance footage from RG’s camera available for days prior to 11/17/11, in order to compare DS II vehicles coming and going (to establish his routine)?


154. When did DS II last have visitation with the twins, and did Michelle bring them to the Carter Glen Condos on that occasion?


155. Did LE obtain evidence from any additional surveillance cameras that other Carter Glen Condo residents may have had installed? Notes: Other surveillance cams in the condo complex, on the road that runs adjacent to Lee Vista Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (AlwaysWright, 1/7/12)


156. When did RG install his surveillance camera?


157. As to NG’s reason for installing the camera: (A) when and how was his car damaged, (B) was a police report filed, and (C) were there any POIs for the crime?


158. Was the incident common knowledge in the complex or within the HOA?


159. Identification of dark truck that is parked on the street near DS II’s condo (i.e. make, model, year, ownership, etc.) Notes: Truck seen in aerial survey shots from Tax Appraiser’s website. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (Lark2, 1/7/11). Possible GMC extended cab, or Ford Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #16 (wilksterette, 1/7/12)


160. What year and model is MP’s Hummer? Notes: Information has led us to believe that the Hummer is a 2008 H3. Recent documentation on Namus Missing Persons Database lists the Hummer as as a 2007 H3. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13054/0/ (Sparky, 1/10/12).


161. Information on the Namus Missing Person Database reveals that MP was last seen alive at 15:00/3 PM on 11/17/11. Where was she at this time, and how was she positively identified?


162. How many cell phone texts and calls did MP average a day, both those she sent and those she received?


163. What is the “very possible connection” that has led the search organizers to ask volunteers to meet in Palm Bay on Saturday, 1/14/12? Notes: Group to meet at 10 AM at Lowe’s, 1166 Malibar Rd. to search wooded areas. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...h-continues-saturday-20120113,0,4176824.story (captdj, 1/13/12) “Family members told searchers that there were clues in Palm Bay that could lead to a break in the case” http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...ve-to-Palm-Bay (Katydid, 1/15/12) Searchers weren’t able to search property in question because LE wanted to use dogs first, and warrants were an issue. DSII had reportedly worked in the area of Maribar Rd the day after MP’s disappearance. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (Einyroo, 1/15/12) Sister LE said that LE are interested in a construction site where “someone” worked Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17. (sandina, 1/21/12)


164. What had occurred three months before MP’s disappearance that lead a Facebook contributor to speculate that said contributor could have understood something happening to her back then, but not when she finally did disappear? This Facebook remark was subsequently removed, though previously noted in WS. Notes: Previous speculation was that the contributor may have been talking about the filming of the PC episode. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (Sparky, 1/15/12); suggestion that MP met NM three months before her disappearance, and this budding relationship may have been a problem for DS II. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (PJFL, 1/15/12).


165. Has LE searched in Palm Bay, at what location, and were dogs used in the search? Notes: BP said on the NG show 1/23/12 that the family told LE to go to Palm Bay and search; LE did search, but found nothing. (source link pending)


168. What was the origin of the rumor that DS II went to work in Titusville on 11/18/11? Notes: May have come from MP’s father when he was on NG show Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17 (TexasLil, captdj 1/19/12).


169. What time did LE do their drive-by of DS II’s condo on 11/17/12, and what did they observe, i.e. what vehicles were parked near or by the condo? Notes: Reported that LE did not see MP's Hummer during that drive-by.


170. MP’s cell is reported by YS to have pinged on Hoffner Rd. at 4:30PM on 11/17, west of Semoran. Was there evidence that the cell and Hummer were in the same place during those pings? Notes: YS alluded to the Hummer traveling along Hoffner west of Semoran, and the phone pinging there at the same time. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...o-of-michelle-parker-from-day-she-disappeared and http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Fa...arker-s-birthday/-/1637132/8455176/-/pj560l/- (captdj, BreathLife21, 1/21/12), another reporter referred to the pings as occurring in the “evening,” but gave no specific time. http://bit.ly/zq0pD2 (GrammaMaybe, 1/24/12)
 
Notes: Helpful observations, and information with some official verification that may help toward resolution
Verified: Answered using official verification (may include supplemental evidence)
Value of point/question (by consensus):
A-C, with A being most important;
D = unsleuthable



170. MP’s cell is reported by YS to have pinged on Hoffner Rd. at 4:30PM on 11/17, west of Semoran. Was there evidence that the cell and Hummer were in the same place during those pings? Notes: YS alluded to the Hummer traveling along Hoffner west of Semoran, and the phone pinging there at the same time. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...o-of-michelle-parker-from-day-she-disappeared and http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Fa...arker-s-birthday/-/1637132/8455176/-/pj560l/- (captdj, BreathLife21, 1/21/12), another reporter referred to the pings as occurring in the “evening,” but gave no specific time. http://bit.ly/zq0pD2 (GrammaMaybe, 1/24/12)


Respectfully snipped by me. BBY

I want to make the case for this entry being changed.

The first report of this information we received was from channel six and the reporter stated that the pinging occurred in the evening; later YS said that the pinging was at 4:30pm.

It is my opinion that the original information that the pinging was in the evening is likely to be correct because:

1) There was a party going where alcohol was being served.
2) The reporter was working.
3) For a reporter to air information it has to be verified.
4) It is likely that LE gave the reporter correct information.
5) Evening implies darkness and if the iPhone were in the Hummer, the driver would want to use darkness to avoid having the Hummer identified; otherwise the Glow sticker would not have been removed.

THIS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT EITHER TIME IS IN ERROR. In my opinion, both are probable. MOO MOO MOO

It is impossible for us to ascertain whether or not the iPhone was in the Hummer at any time after 3:15pm. All LE has told us is that the Hummer left the condo without the Glow sticker and they know when it left. The pinging indicates that the iPhone was moving; perhaps in the pocket of the person who was taking the twins to Rose Blvd. Since my Google program tells me that the round trip between Rose Blvd & the condo can be made in one hour, by 4:30 the iPhone could be making its second trip, by sunset, its third.
 
Respectfully snipped by me. BBY

I want to make the case for this entry being changed.

The first report of this information we received was from channel six and the reporter stated that the pinging occurred in the evening; later YS said that the pinging was at 4:30pm.

It is my opinion that the original information that the pinging was in the evening is likely to be correct because:

1) There was a party going where alcohol was being served.
2) The reporter was working.
3) For a reporter to air information it has to be verified.
4) It is likely that LE gave the reporter correct information.
5) Evening implies darkness and if the iPhone were in the Hummer, the driver would want to use darkness to avoid having the Hummer identified; otherwise the Glow sticker would not have been removed.

THIS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT EITHER TIME IS IN ERROR. In my opinion, both are probable. MOO MOO MOO

It is impossible for us to ascertain whether or not the iPhone was in the Hummer at any time after 3:15pm. All LE has told us is that the Hummer left the condo without the Glow sticker and they know when it left. The pinging indicates that the iPhone was moving; perhaps in the pocket of the person who was taking the twins to Rose Blvd. Since my Google program tells me that the round trip between Rose Blvd & the condo can be made in one hour, by 4:30 the iPhone could be making its second trip, by sunset, its third.

I have to say that I find it insulting that you would take the word of a reporter over the mother of missing Michelle Parker because she was quoted at a fundraiser for Michelle where alcohol was being served.

The facts that surround her daughter's disappearance are probably ingrained in this poor mother's head and no doubt she can recite them on a dime.

This comment also presumes Yvonne was drinking because she was the one that was quoted. That is total conjecture, and it's not fair or warranted.

This is a victim-friendly forum and that goes for the victim's families, too.

Regarding the contention that reporters fact-check and therefore their word is more reliable than a DIRECT QUOTE FROM VIDEO: fact checkers have gone the way of budget cuts. What reporters do often, and on-air types are famous for, is paraphrasing.

Thus, any time you have an actual, specific time like Yvonne stated (4:30 p.m.) as opposed to a paraphrased timeline such as "earlier", "evening", etc., one can safely assume that the paraphrase came from the actual time.

Lastly, I watched the video in the URL you posted and didn't even find the quote "evening" that you reference, either in the video or the written transcript, which is derived from the video.

Everyone here wants to bring Michelle home and most here are in total support of her family's actions. Accurate information and respect for family should be paramount when posting information about the case.
 
Respectfully snipped by me. BBY

I want to make the case for this entry being changed.

The first report of this information we received was from channel six and the reporter stated that the pinging occurred in the evening; later YS said that the pinging was at 4:30pm.

It is my opinion that the original information that the pinging was in the evening is likely to be correct because:

1) There was a party going where alcohol was being served.
2) The reporter was working.
3) For a reporter to air information it has to be verified.
4) It is likely that LE gave the reporter correct information.
5) Evening implies darkness and if the iPhone were in the Hummer, the driver would want to use darkness to avoid having the Hummer identified; otherwise the Glow sticker would not have been removed.

THIS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT EITHER TIME IS IN ERROR. In my opinion, both are probable. MOO MOO MOO

It is impossible for us to ascertain whether or not the iPhone was in the Hummer at any time after 3:15pm. All LE has told us is that the Hummer left the condo without the Glow sticker and they know when it left. The pinging indicates that the iPhone was moving; perhaps in the pocket of the person who was taking the twins to Rose Blvd. Since my Google program tells me that the round trip between Rose Blvd & the condo can be made in one hour, by 4:30 the iPhone could be making its second trip, by sunset, its third.

In my opinion, we have to be skeptical about everything, which is why there are only a few verified questions on the list!

The definition for "evening" is actually quite broad, and could very well include 4:30 PM, especially in the winter. I mention both versions in the notes to that question, so I'm not giving more weight to one or the other.

I have asked the question in #170 whether the phone and the Hummer were together at that point, and the notes are merely updates as to what has been provided by LE or MSM. There is not yet any proof that they were together, but in my opinion, it's valid to mention the possibility because we have a link with Yvonne suggesting it. We don't have a link providing a suggestion they were not together, which is why I didn't include that.

As to whether we should give more weight to the reporter's statement than Yvonne's, well, let me just weigh in with my own opinion here:

  • The reporter gives a non-specific time, which could even include 4:30 PM.
  • Yvonne's statement is very passionate and provides a specific time. She says that LE told her, and she says "I know for a fact...", lending more credence to her statement, in my opinion.
  • Yvonne has a very good reason for wanting to be correct and specific in her statement. She knows her interview is going to be made public, and she wants us, the public, to know the time and place so that we can provide any tips about what we might have seen if we were driving on Hoffner at that time.
  • We know how often MSM has been both incorrect and nonspecific.

I have my own personal opinions, of course, as do you. I've tried, on the question list, not to let opinions slip in, and to provide straight-forward statements and links. If we hear something from a reliable source about the 4:30 time being incorrect, I will certainly include that in the notes, along with a link! :)
 
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