Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #6

[LMDlong]

IMO They must have has code words regarding the planned escape for when talking on the phone because of jail/prison calls being monitored. I assume being that they seen each other everyday they could talk some about it but had to be careful.

 

[PhoneJockey]

LE has said that VW removed up to $90,000 and the total could be higher and the assumption was immediately made that she took all of it with them and they had spent all but the $29,000 found in the motel room. There is no real proof or knowledge that she did take all of it with them, that assumption became fact with repetition.

Anyway, she may have left some for her mother/mother-in-law. They may not know it yet.

Carrying that much cash around would require a suitcase or two if the bills were smaller and if the bills were $100's it would certainly draw attention when used to pay for lunch at McDonalds or a car wash fee.
I don't think they had it all with them. MOO MOO MOO

She may have left some behind and hidden to help pay for legal fees or whatever if they were caught? I really hope her mom can get as much of it as possible.

 

[concernedmother]

IMO They must have has code words regarding the planned escape for when talking on the phone because of jail/prison calls being monitored. I assume being that they seen each other everyday they could talk some about it but had to be careful.

Do you think she was visiting him during non working hours? That would surely have been a huge red flag unless she was use to visiting other prisoners off hours too. IDK if that would even be allowed. But I wonder how many times she has taken him out? Seems she did a week before the escape. Singleton said in hindsight it was a dry run. But maybe she did it more than they know and people were afraid to say anything because of her position.

 

[thesaint]

IMO They must have has code words regarding the planned escape for when talking on the phone because of jail/prison calls being monitored. I assume being that they seen each other everyday they could talk some about it but had to be careful.

My guess is VW smuggled a cell phone in for CW to use to talk to her. Common in prisons for prisoners to get cell phones smuggled in, even prisoners who aren't dating a guard find ways of getting cell phones.

Unless there's an outside the state agency investigation, I doubt we will hear much about all of what VW got up to during her time as the Assistant Director of Corrections.

 

[Slamalam]

They were caught off guard. Everything came down so fast and the crash. They were planning a shootout not a crash. Only moments before LE approached when the car crashed. . Not much time to think , rethink or react. In that moment she knew this was her only way out. jmo

So upon listening to the dispatch call again, the woman says “we could hear her saying she has her finger on the trigger” (she also says “he shot himself” which we now know wasn’t the case). So that part of the call just seems like it wasn’t released, not totally clear when that happened I guess. The dispatch call audio is before the crash, so maybe at some point during the chase.

Maybe as the chase was happening Vicky was going to pull the trigger, and of course had last minute doubts or hopes they may still get away somehow. Then when they crashed the reality really sank in. So she did go back and forth.

 

[concernedmother]

Do you think she was visiting him during non working hours? That would surely have been a huge red flag unless she was use to visiting other prisoners off hours too.

My guess is VW smuggled a cell phone in for CW to use to talk to her. Common in prisons for prisoners to get cell phones smuggled in, even prisoners who aren't dating a guard find ways of getting cell phones.

Unless there's an outside the state agency investigation, I doubt we will hear much about all of what VW got up to during her time as the Assistant Director of Corrections.

Didnt think about that but very possible. Actually you are probably right. jmo

 

[Tealgrove]

No one has mentioned this yet and I may be wrong but…at one point during the 911 call I swear I heard Casey say “I’m not going back…not going back”. This was at a point that the sound was very garbled and it was definitely a man’s voice with a southern drawl. It was very faint.

I wondered if Casey meant he wasn’t going back to prison or was it in response to Vicky saying they should go back to the motel?

Interesting.

 

[scoodyboo]

So upon listening to the dispatch call again, the woman says “we could hear her saying she has her finger on the trigger” (she also says “he shot himself” which we now know wasn’t the case). So that part of the call just seems like it wasn’t released, not totally clear when that happened I guess. The dispatch call audio is before the crash, so maybe at some point during the chase.

Maybe as the chase was happening Vicky was going to pull the trigger, and of course had last minute doubts or hopes they may still get away somehow. Then when they crashed the reality really sank in. So she did go back and forth.

When listening to the 7 minute 911 call audio, we can hear officers state several times she's got her 'finger on trigger' . This makes me think that the dispatch (not 911) audio is repeating what is being said by these officers. I am now of the belief that VS did not ever state that.

There's a moment where a deep voice on the 911 says, "I think this is it" right after the hotel comment, around 23/24 seconds. Wondering if that was CW, my own speculation.

Edited: Changed CS to CW.

 

[magnolia]

5/10/22--https://www.al.com/news/2022/05/vicky-whites-apparent-suicide-investigated-alabama-jailer-found-with-gun-in-her-hand-indiana-sheriff-says.html

Vicky White, assistant director of corrections at the Lauderdale County jail, had put in for retirement ahead of the escape, and the day of the breakout, April 29, was her last day of work.

A woman who worked with her for 16 years could barely speak through tears Tuesday.

“I know she did wrong and made a terrible mistake, but she’s still your friend,” longtime jail employee Sherry Sylvester said.

She said that White often tried to help prisoners, particularly ones without family. But Sylvester said she never saw White do anything that crossed the line: “She did everything by the book.”
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Until she didn't... My condolences to VW's family and friends. It's very difficult to live with feeling betrayed and never having the opportunity to ask VW any questions.

It would be very difficult to convince me that Casey was the first inmate VC has been infatuated with.

 

[BeckyF]

~RSBM

IMO we can start with stricter enforcement of laws with COs and LEOs handling inmates, multiple COs escorting an inmate at a time, putting more measures in place to prevent CO/inmate relationships, ensuring higher-ups are aware of what is going on in the jails. I know that's easier said than done, but IMO it would have prevented this.

Definitely additional oversight is needed in county jails. I wonder if they have ever thought of rotating employees that have direct contact with inmates to reduce the risk of a romantic relationship developing. Just a random thought.
All MOO.

 

[passionflower]

There is a story, which Apple uses for advertising, of a hiker (or maybe a cyclist) who tripped and fell- knocked himself out. The watch called 911 and also helped in tracking/finding the injured man.

I have stumbled and tripped in the garden and the watch (Siri) says "it appears you have taken a fall. Do you need assistance?" If I didn't click on or say "No, I'm fine" it would automatically call 911.

Yes my Apple Watch does the same

 

[Tealgrove]

Interesting that we haven’t heard a peep about the Director of the jail.

Wonder if he’s still employed?

Boy oh boy they need a thorough investigation and overhaul.

 

[porkypies]

At one time or another most everyone dreams of running away from real life. I have come to believe that she did not plan anything except to RUN.

To me, her actions are those of a person at the end of their tether, not someone planning a new life. Can I explain why she would be in that mental state? No.

But on Monday when they were determined to have only made it to Evansville, Indiana, I came to believe that RUNNING with this man was as far as her plan went.

I'm sure there are reasons. I'm not convinced any of them were rational.

JMO

For his part, I wonder.... what crime has he now committed by this escapade?
Back in much earlier posts here, I recall (his) lawyer saying he has mental problems, he was serving a 75 years sentence.
He was led out of the jail, in chains and prison garb, by a senior jailer, riding off with her in the Sheriff car, she was the officer in charge of prisoner Transport according to an earlier post IIRC.
VW, who he had known for a couple of years and had a friendship with, and who pretended a non-existent appointment for himself and one for herself which bought them 6 hours to run, had sold her house and pocketed the $$cash.
I assume she supplied keys to unlock the chains his clothes, shoes, money, food, and cars to escape in.
He seems to have played no part in the plan - apart from buying the ford truck with her money, and later leaving it in the car-wash, she facilitated each occasion.
Unless he was actually driving when they were crashed (there are now various conflicting reports) what would he be charged with as a result of his being led out of prison by a boss, considering his mental problems ?

 

[concernedmother]

It would be very difficult to convince me that Casey was the first inmate VC has been infatuated with.

Agree.

 

[concernedmother]

It would be very difficult to convince me that Casey was the first inmate VC has been infatuated with.

Now that she is gone and he is back in prison maybe people will start spilling bits and pieces about what all happened in that jail. Don't expect employees will because its their job. Alot more people had to have seen and knew something. Maybe some former inmates will talk. There is a whole other story there about what was happening in that facility. Wish there would be an outside investigation.

 

[SMK777]

Interesting that Indiana's Sheriff Wedding says in this interview when asked how CW was responding to the death of VW that the Sheriff said something to the effect that CW was under the impression that VW planned to commit suicide if apprehended.

This doesn't mean it was any easier for him to deal with, but that he expected it when it happened.

I wonder if she expected him to also?

 

[concernedmother]

I wonder if she expected him to also?

He surrendered peacefully and wanted to go back to AL. He wasn't going to die for her. jmo

 

[SMK777]

When I listened closer, I think you may be right. The first couple words are kinda muffled, but that makes the most sense, in the context of what was happening. JMO

If they had not gone anywhere near the car wash and stayed completely holed up in the room, ordering takeout food anonymously, they probably could have stayed the rest of the paid up time (another 8 days) and planned their next leg of the journey.

Once CW was spotted on cctv they watched the area and saw him go to the motel and Vicky coming out and getting in the car.

 

[passionflower]

Could it be that VW had such a plain Jane lifestyle and always took care of inmates. ex. Mom and mom in law that she wanted freedom and excitement at any cost and CW was it? Caretaker burnout? She seemed the one who took control. Of course CW helped by wooing her. Lonely heart? Suicide can be in a second. It doesn’t even have to be planned.

 

[SMK777]

When listening to the 7 minute 911 call audio, we can hear officers state several times she's got her 'finger on trigger' . This makes me think that the dispatch (not 911) audio is repeating what is being said by these officers. I am now of the belief that VS did not ever state that.

There's a moment where a deep voice on the 911 says, "I think this is it" right after the hotel comment, around 23/24 seconds. Wondering if that was CS, my own speculation.

Who is CS again?