Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[Akai]

I think it was her young age and family background, that made it obvious she wasn’t just a run away. In those days there was no social media but her family and friends plastered missing posters everywhere.

In the recent replay of the CIA documentary about the Birnie’s it stated that the police took some time to link the cases, perhaps this time they wanted to jump straight on to the case of a missing teenage girl, unlike their somewhat slower response a decade earlier when they seemed to assume until Kate Moir escaped that the victims were runaways. IMO

https://youtu.be/WATx7dV6RXQ



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Good point about the police acting quickly in light of their experience with the Birnie's.


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[Owlie]

But it’s Hakea’s turnover that really sets it apart: the Canning Vale jail has a yearly intake of about 7000 medium and maximum-security prisoners — many of whom are eventually moved on to other jails once they are sentenced.

After a day spent either working, attending court appearances, participating in education, training or life-skills programs, playing sport or working out, the prisoners are back in the tight confines of their cells — most of which have double bunks and all of which have a TV with two DVD channels, a fan, shelving, toilet and basin — by 6.20pm for the nightly lockdown.

High-profile prisoners such as accused Claremont serial killer Bradley Robert Edwards or those considered at risk from other inmates because of the nature of their offending — namely sex offences — are housed in protection in Unit 6, away from the general population. Last week, 105 prisoners were in that unit.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cr...behind-bars-at-was-hakea-prison-ng-b88687425z

Mmmm thus section if the article made me think it’s not so safe in Hakea:
“Hakea superintendent Stephen Blenkinsopp said it was a sad reality that most incoming prisoners were withdrawing from methamphetamine, making them manic. Many also had associated mental health issues and combined with a resentment for being locked up, this often made the first few days of their stint the most volatile.

“There’s the withdrawals, mental health issues, the family they’ve left on the outside and who’s looking after them. So there’s all these factors that make it quite volatile,” Supt Blenkinsopp said.

“Within a week most have settled down. We have some that never settle down and some of them are quite unwell and we have to manage them quite differently.

“We deal with more mentally unwell prisoners than any other jail.””


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[Owlie]

"A serial killer keeps killing until one of four things happens: he is caught, he dies, he kills himself or he burns out. "

https://people.howstuffworks.com/serial-killer5.htm

Whether the alleged CSK BRE is guilty or not or the CSK is someone else, which of the four options do you think pertains to the CSK, Spooky?
Do you think the CSK whoever it is just stopped after the 3 Claremont cases?
Do you think the accused BRE is guilty and he didn’t stop till he was arrested (this question is probably subjudice)? If BRE is not the CSK do you think the CSK is dead, either killed himself, was himself murdered or died of accident, overdose or natural causes?
Or do you think whether the accused/alleged BRE is the CSK or it’s someone else, that they just burnt out and stopped.
Or do you think whoever it is kept going and moved to other areas and there are more cases attributable to him in other suburbs or country towns? And if so, which other cases do you think are attributable to the CSK?


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[Austom]

The problem with this headline is that Edwards would only see the judge on his screen from prison so being able to “eyeball” the accused can’t happen.


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[Twist]

That's what I assumed about the Excel document - that it was a reference. I don't know how they would contain all the evidence in Excel.


Excel is not the best for this type of thing, could be used as a index with links to other docs but we all know how unstable and easily corrupted excel becomes. My workplace (Government) had to provide all docs of different types (word, emails, excel, PDF, images files etc) for a court case (50 thousand +) lawyers involved hired company to collect and store all files using some type of electronic document management system for ease of storage and searching.
The police and lawyers will be all over this. Difficult issue is searching docs and producing legitimate arguments without missing things.
JMO

 

[Owlie]

CV, you forgot to mention another former member.....Parkie [emoji6]

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Spooky, how could I forget his name, lol! It’s Parkie that you remind me of in a good-humoured, light-hearted way. You both seem to have a quirky humorous take on things which is enjoyable to read, in what is obviously a very serious and sad forum.


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[Owlie]

Thanks ESH,

I haven't read anything that Parkie posted, because he was before my time. Would you be so kind enough to remember Parkie and others who have contributed to the forum. Many thanks.

Really CV? You should go back and read from the beginning in thread #1, there are some very interesting, informative, insightful, whacky, crazy, funny, posts- it’s a fantastic and informative read!!!
As I’ve mentioned previously (and am adding to now) Bartholemeus, Sutton, Metic, Papertrail, Parkie and Crabstick to name a few have some very interesting posts and points of view. Barth is a local who was a young guy out partying in Claremont at the time, and Papertrail had a enormous library of newspaper articles on the case, and Parkie was very humorous but interesting too.

I first found websleuth’s around the time of the 20th anniversary of Sarah’s disappearance as all of the newspaper articles etc. bought the whole thing back up for me again, being a female from Perth who had lived through it - went to UWA, socialised in Claremont a few years before, worked in the area when Sarah disappeared, now lived in the area the past 18-20 years.
I read from page 1 all the way thru, then lurked everyday until the arrest of the alleged CSK, the accused BRE, when I joined up.


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[Owlie]

Good point about the police acting quickly in light of their experience with the Birnie's.


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Thanks! It’s all speculation of course, we won’t know a lot until the trial and even then we may not find out everything.


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[Frankie1972]

Spooky, how could I forget his name, lol! It’s Parkie that you remind me of in a good-humoured, light-hearted way. You both seem to have a quirky humorous take on things which is enjoyable to read, in what is obviously a very serious and sad forum.


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that man was full of knowledge and PCS too.

 

[Owlie]

I can't speak to this situation, obviously, but people have been known to sell their houses to fund their defense.


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Good point!
Though I vaguely remember when the accused was first arrested reading that defence lawyers would be clambering to take such a high profile case even pro-bono, to make a name for themselves or further enhance their reputation/profile as defence lawyers.
I don’t have a link, however.


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[Akai]

Excel is not the best for this type of thing, could be used as a index with links to other docs but we all know how unstable and easily corrupted excel becomes. My workplace (Government) had to provide all docs of different types (word, emails, excel, PDF, images files etc) for a court case (50 thousand +) lawyers involved hired company to collect and store all files using some type of electronic document management system for ease of storage and searching.
The police and lawyers will be all over this. Difficult issue is searching docs and producing legitimate arguments without missing things.
JMO

Agree, I just can't think of any other explanation for the use of Excel, given it was mentioned.


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[Akai]

Regarding serial killers, and their reasons for killing and stopping, I thought I would put this here:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

"It has been widely believed that once serial killers start killing, they cannot stop. There are, however, some serial killers who stop murdering altogether before being caught. In these instances, there are events or circumstances in offenders’ lives that inhibit them from pursuing more victims. These can include increased participation in family activities, sexual substitution, and other diversions."

The article goes on with some examples of this, and it goes into detail about other perceptions of serial killers. Quite interesting.

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[Akai]

Good point!
Though I vaguely remember when the accused was first arrested reading that defence lawyers would be clambering to take such a high profile case even pro-bono, to make a name for themselves or further enhance their reputation/profile as defence lawyers.
I don’t have a link, however.


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Don't need a link for that! I have no doubt there would be lawyers willing to take a case like this pro bono.

The barrister representing him yesterday was Genevieve Cleary. She is part of Francis Burt Chambers - huge Chambers in Perth. Seems she has a huge breadth of different experience. She may not be the person who represents him at trial, may only have been handling preliminaries.

https://www.francisburt.com.au/genevieve-cleary/ (I am assuming it is OK to link to the public profile of a lawyer?)

I could not find any indications he was using Legal Aid.

Before the mess of the last few years, I would have thought Lloyd Rayney would be someone likely to take the case. He is a criminal defense barrister, and has handled high profile cases.


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[Akai]

Thanks! It’s all speculation of course, we won’t know a lot until the trial and even then we may not find out everything.


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Yes, I don't think we will find out everything. While I think everything that is relevant to this case will be presented, that still leaves gaps:

1. As at the moment, SS body has not been found so there isn't complete information on what happened to her.
2. If the perpetrator was obvious from CCTV or other eye-witness accounts they would have been caught years ago. I deduce from that that any links are circumstantial.
3. Evidence from the investigation of other suspects will probably be limited.
4. Some or most or all of the evidence that police decided was not relevant to the case will probably not come into it.
5. The judge may make rulings about admissibility that mean some evidence is excluded.
6. Given KK was 17 at the time of her attack, there may be restrictions on what information about that can be made public.
7. The judge may also make suppression orders.

JMO


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[Molly Dooker]

that man was full of knowledge and PCS too.

Wasn’t Parkie the person who ceased posting upon the arrest of BRE?


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[Credulious]

Indexing

Agree, I just can't think of any other explanation for the use of Excel, given it was mentioned.


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[Credulious]

The barrister representing him yesterday was Genevieve Cleary. She is part of Francis Burt Chambers - huge Chambers in Perth. Seems she has a huge breadth of different experience. She may not be the person who represents him at trial, may only have been handling preliminaries.

I could not find any indications he was using Legal Aid.

Legal Aid outsource high profile cases. Their lawyers are not allowed to speak to the public.

 

[Akai]

Legal Aid outsource high profile cases. Their lawyers are not allowed to speak to the public.

Yes, I'm away of that. And Genevieve Cleary has done work for Legal Aid in the past, based on what it says in her profile (plus she is acting as the barrister and there will probably be other solicitors). I wasn't looking for confirmation of who the lawyers are specifically or something from them. I perhaps didn't explain myself well.

What I have noticed from other cases is that when a person is receiving Legal Aid it is mentioned at some point, especially when it is high profile (e.g. Adrian Bayley). So my reference to not seeing anything about Legal Aid mentioned tied in with that. Not to say he isn't being represented that way, just that there's nothing to say that he IS.


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[Guccigal]

Wasn’t Parkie the person who ceased posting upon the arrest of BRE?


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Are you thinking what I’m thinking...

 

[Guccigal]

Yes, I'm away of that. And Genevieve Cleary has done work for Legal Aid in the past, based on what it says in her profile (plus she is acting as the barrister and there will probably be other solicitors). I wasn't looking for confirmation of who the lawyers are specifically or something from them. I perhaps didn't explain myself well.

What I have noticed from other cases is that when a person is receiving Legal Aid it is mentioned at some point, especially when it is high profile (e.g. Adrian Bayley). So my reference to not seeing anything about Legal Aid mentioned tied in with that. Not to say he isn't being represented that way, just that there's nothing to say that he IS.


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Hi, I was informed Sam VD was trying this case but things change.. that was when he was originally arrested and charged. Also, legal aid is very different to pro-bono work. Many lawyers take work for the challenge or the cause (Malcolm Mc Cusker) who certainly don’t need the money. I asssume legal aid is strictly means tested and asset based.