Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

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Peralta said:
Oh wow! The Coroner won’t be releasing her findings on Wednesday and it’s been postponed indefinitely.

From the beginning, we knew this was a possibility. Yes, it’s sad for Sally that she won’t get a death certificate right now. But it really is good news.

If the Coroner closed the case now, it would likely be ‘inconclusive’, agreeing that Marion is deceased, her death occurring in Australia, at an unknown time and no evidence to suggest it was connected to RB.

While a postponement can mean new compelling information has been uncovered and they need more time to investigate (same as the other two times this inquest was postponed), it can also mean we’re closer to an arrest.

When inquests are postponed at this late stage, so close to the findings, it typically means the matter is going to a criminal court. The Coroner can then finalise her findings after that is complete.

I’m keeping my eyes and ears open to see if RB gets charged.

Personally, I think this postponement has a lot to do with IK’s death. Everyone agrees RB scams, so more scam victims won’t change Marion’s findings or uncover how she died.

The findings are to uncover the circumstances surrounding Marion’s death. Up until now, there have been no clues or connections about her death. But a former wife of RB ending up dead at an early age is suspicious. Particularly as her name was fudged on her record to make her harder to find - that’s classic RB! Plus TWO arsons where RB had paperwork.

I think this is really good. Both Marion and IK might finally get their peace.
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Thanks for explaining/ sharing this info. I’ve been following for years but still getting bamboozled. I hope it plays out like this. Would deportation be on the cards?
 

CNN article but it almost seems like a foreign language translation.

Seems current. It mentions Wednesdays court not going ahead.

Not too impressed. Lots of errors and just plain getting it wrong. Incorrect Grammar and incorrect use of words. IMO.

How about this bit :rolleyes:

"If Barter had vanished without a trace, Australian police may have taken her case more seriously"
 
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KinseyFan said:
Thanks for explaining/ sharing this info. I’ve been following for years but still getting bamboozled. I hope it plays out like this. Would deportation be on the cards?
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Not an expert so don’t know for sure.

Australia doesn’t necessarily deport people who have earned their citizenship and commit crimes.

Deporting him would have to be based on his immigration offences.

His immigration crimes are less than the financial crimes he committed in Australia and potential homicide of two Australian citizens.

I suppose that’s why they are pushing the angle that Marion died in Australia - so Australia can make it their business.

I imagine they will try to keep him in Australia if there’s a chance for significant charges and a homicide court case.

He’d be safer in Australia rather than sending him overseas where he can disappear or weasel his way out of being charged.

If he was a younger man and served his sentence in Australia then got out, then they might deport him (due to visa violations) so the Europeans have a chance of convicting him as well.

But it’s in Australia’s best interest to pursue all the crimes here first, if there is a real chance of conviction or even recuperating some of that money.

Just speculating. I’m not an expert.
 
Oodlesofnoodles said:
Might be a dumb question to ask but how could they find out if they received money when they can't even look at Marion's bank accounts.
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This would require a court case where it is put to the judge that the money he kept receiving through the years coincided with his love scams.

At inquest, RB agreed to placing ads and pursuing women despite being married. He didn’t even ‘bed’ his victims so we know it wasn’t about having an extramarital affair. We know he and wife didn’t work, were pensioners and he agreed his coin business never operated.

When you put this together, it’s a reasonable assumption to make that the money he received every few years was the profit from his love scams.

Normally, it’s very hard to convict for fraud and prove someone was manipulated to hand over their life savings. These cases rarely get resolved.

What makes this case different is Marion is dead. The main charge would have to be homicide not the swindling of women.

I think Casselden was very methodical at inquest because he was looking ahead, long term, so that the crown had these statements from RB so they could start building a criminal case.

Just speculating.
 
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Peralta said:
Not an expert so don’t know for sure.

Australia doesn’t necessarily deport people who have earned their citizenship and commit crimes.

Deporting him would have to be based on his immigration offences.

His immigration crimes are less than the financial crimes he committed in Australia and potential homicide of two Australian citizens.

I suppose that’s why they are pushing the angle that Marion died in Australia - so Australia can make it their business.

I imagine they will try to keep him in Australia if there’s a chance for significant charges and a homicide court case.

He’d be safer in Australia rather than sending him overseas where he can disappear or weasel his way out of being charged.

If he was a younger man and served his sentence in Australia then got out, then they might deport him (due to visa violations) so the Europeans have a chance of convicting him as well.

But it’s in Australia’s best interest to pursue all the crimes here first, if there is a real chance of conviction or even recuperating some of that money.

Just speculating. I’m not an expert.
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Regarding whether RB would be imprisoned in Australia, I would speculate that were he to be charged with offences via the Australian legal system, that would mean by default and due to humanitarian and compassionate grounds in his favour, they would be obliged to imprison him also in Australia.

I'm just personally hoping he gets held to account for his crimes and that we find out what happened to Marion.
 
mishy66 said:
and bigamy springs to mind...
Ik could have tried to blackmail him with all she knew....
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Jealousy - the new wife was jealous of the old wife and kids, better looking had a job etc, and they had over lapped relationships,
I think she is a narcissist as well and very involved in the whole thing.
Probably found out she was back in Australia, maybe even asked RB if he wanted to see his kids. And the new wife snapped.
The carbon dioxide in a car seems like a good weapon,
Especially seeing he just brought a new car after Marion came home.
IMO
 
Lord Peter Flimsy said:
It’s very strange. GGB suggested he was impotent and Ghislaine confirmed it too. But JO in her evidence said that something sexual did take place although she didn’t go into detail. That was the year after GGB. My own feeling is that he tried to avoid being intimate but felt duty bound if it meant getting at the money.
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Many impotent men can perform or rape if the circumstances are right. For some that means a comatose partner, for others the woman must be bound or in a degrading position, or even oral sex. JO may not have wanted to go into detail about how the sex occurred. Rape is not sexual. It's an act of power, and I wouldn't write off anything regarding the degradation of women as far as RB is concerned.
 
havent seen this mentioned yet. Very big new story about Marion on CNN, which imho is a pretty big deal. CNN is major mainstream US media with a wide reach. The summary is quite masterful. Anyone who can put this story in a few columns and make it read clearly is a pro. No paywall. The headline isn't messing around and says it all :)


CNN story: The Search for a Missing Mother Surfaces Claims of her Lover’s ‘life of deceit’
 
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Behrnsy said:
Jealousy - the new wife was jealous of the old wife and kids, better looking had a job etc, and they had over lapped relationships
Probably found out she was back in Australia, maybe even asked RB if he wanted to see his kids. And the new wife snapped.
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NO, Dont think so.

Dates dont align and DdeH probs never knew about IK

That's his MO

IMO
 
Lord Peter Flimsy said:
It’s very strange. GGB suggested he was impotent and Ghislaine confirmed it too. But JO in her evidence said that something sexual did take place although she didn’t go into detail. That was the year after GGB. My own feeling is that he tried to avoid being intimate but felt duty bound if it meant getting at the money.
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Yes, and maybe with a bit of help from something like Viagra?
 
mishy66 said:
The recent podcast has so much detail and tightens up many theories from the past.

Going back over IK timeline and those 2 passenger cards of IK and baby EW makes so much more sense now with the 2 different departure dates.

IK was another victim swooned by a vulture and led to believe she found the man of her dreams.

What a brave mother to hand her baby over to another woman to deliver her safely to her parents in Belgium.
Were they in trouble of some sort and she was protecting her baby in case she was held in customs????

He meets D Walker on the Chusan and then returns to Lille France 1971 where IK reunites with him and they live with the baby until he is arrested.

IK eventually marries MJR in Budapest, before they all return to live in Australia.


Listening to the podcast I think it is safe to also add IK death cert and COD here so other WS can also see what J is refering to..?

Hoping that is ok to do :oops:

ALL DOCUMENTS ARE FOUND ONLINE IN THE PUBLIC ARENA

I can't share the link because there is much more related to the case that has not been formcoming as yet. Respecting the families involved.
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*forthcoming

geez.... too many forms - paper ones and monster ones.... just saying :cool:
 
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MrsEmmaPeel said:
And if IK's suddenly dead, then bingo! RB's no longer a bigamist.
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I'm pretty sure whoever would still be a bigamist


MrsEmmaPeel said:
havent seen this mentioned yet. Very big new story about Marion on CNN, which imho is a pretty big deal. CNN is major mainstream US media with a wide reach. The summary is quite masterful. Anyone who can put this story in a few columns and make it read clearly is a pro. No paywall. The headline isn't messing around and says it all
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I posted it a few posts above, but it doesn't hurt to post again.

I don't agree that it's a masterful story or summary.

www.websleuths.com

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

If they can find a link between the kids money and Marion, then they can suggest he deceived Marion for financial gain AND perhaps a motive for murder. BINGO.
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hoodunnit said:
They asked not to post anything about the whereabouts/identity of this image on public forums.
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I don’t think we’re talking about the same post. The one I’m referring to is still there, not the picture they were asking for help sharpening up. I wouldn’t post about something they’d requested us not to.
 
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