Australia Australia - Tegan Lane, 2 days old, Sydney, 14 Sept 1996 *K. Lane guilty*

[sosocurious]

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[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

No, the article doesn’t make that clear to me at all:

‘Fiona Avery was a former policewoman in Sydney's northern beaches before she was assigned to the Lane investigation in 2005 in the NSW Attorney-General's department to search for Tegan and "Andrew".’

Keli Lane murder trial: New evidence shows search for baby Tegan incomplete - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I see what you mean Bo.

I read that as imprecise language from the ABC because a former policewoman cannot be assigned to an investigation. She had to be a current serving policewoman when she was assigned to the investigation. I have certainly seen these type of arrangements a few times before. I think the confusion arises because the ABC are not clear about what they are describing. The police have the investigative powers but do not have the access to the BDM Registry so they have an active and current member appointed to the AG department as the AG department had the administrative oversight of the Registry. The employee is now technically a serving member appointed to the investigation and an AG Department employee with proper access to the Registry.

Apologies, I am imputing knowledge that I have personally to what was imprecisely written IMHO.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Keli claimed she saw 'Andrew' about 6 times over a 6 month period. She did sleep over on occasion and that Mel was in retail.

Apparently before police took Keli to Balmain to locate Andrew's apartment she said she "searched for the apartment herself for about half an hour one afternoon with no luck".

Hmmm.

Edited to add: Not in the upload but on the next page... The real estate agent.

Mr Klein was surprised that Keli had said the block looked the same as when she visited back in 1996, because in the meantime it had been sold and in 2003 all of the apartments were renovated.

Yes, sold November 2003 for $5.5 million apparently.

I have also read that the apartment block was on the way to Taryn Woods house in Balmain, so she would have been passed it many times. I'll have to find that reference.

The apartment block was recently the subject of a strata title subdivision.

http://www.eservices.lmc.nsw.gov.au/ApplicationTracking/Common/Output/Document.aspx?id=dN3rtDl3ZIE%3d&ext=pdf&rend=0​

Keli had said that the apartment was a first floor unit. Unit 10 is on the second floor on the linked plan. She had also said that it was possibly Unit 11 until the brothers came forward and said they lived there at the time so then it had to be Unit 10. The Court of Appeal did refer to a Mr Sean Greaves living there at the relevant time, but the ABC Exposed program appears to suggest now that he moved in at the end of December and the Court of Appeal are making an error of fact.

I wonder why she couldn't remember the walk from the Town Hall Hotel to the apartment if she had done it a few times. Was her perception that affected?

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Hmmm...
What time do they train for water polo? 1:00 am

Yes interesting. I do wonder whether she went and crashed at Taryn Woods house as apparently the apartment block was on the way to her house, and then went to training with her. I think training was in the afternoons/evenings. I believe Keli told police that she stayed over with Andrew and then went to training but actually it wasn't possible.

 

[sosocurious]

Yes interesting. I do wonder whether she went and crashed at Taryn Woods house as apparently the apartment block was on the way to her house, and then went to training with her. I think training was in the afternoons/evenings. I believe Keli told police that she stayed over with Andrew and then went to training but actually it wasn't possible.

No it doesn't seem possible.

Why wouldn't she just have told the police that? The half dozen times I hooked up with Drew during that 6 months. I headed to Taryn's place after having stayed at the unit until 1am. I would leave via the car park. Taryn and I just hung at her place until later that day waiting for afternoon or evening training. Wonder where she left her togs and towel?

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

No it doesn't seem possible.

Why wouldn't she just have told the police that? The half dozen times I hooked up with Drew during that 6 months. I headed to Taryn's place after having stayed at the unit until 1am. I would leave via the car park. Taryn and I just hung at her place until later that day waiting for afternoon or evening training. Wonder where she left her togs and towel?

Yes, bizarre. Keli really didn't understand what she was dealing with, with the Police did she?

 

[JLZ]

Yes interesting. I do wonder whether she went and crashed at Taryn Woods house as apparently the apartment block was on the way to her house, and then went to training with her. I think training was in the afternoons/evenings. I believe Keli told police that she stayed over with Andrew and then went to training but actually it wasn't possible.

No it doesn't seem possible.

Why wouldn't she just have told the police that? The half dozen times I hooked up with Drew during that 6 months. I headed to Taryn's place after having stayed at the unit until 1am. I would leave via the car park. Taryn and I just hung at her place until later that day waiting for afternoon or evening training. Wonder where she left her togs and towel?

I don't see the impossibility of going straight to practice. If she went around "in the early hours", it wouldn't be surprising if they, or she, slept in and didn't really get going until mid-afternoon. As to togs and towel, they might have been for hire at the pool. I was out with someone once who made an impromptu decision to go swimming, and he just hired them, no fuss.

 

[Via Marple]

Can I ask who is Taryn Woods? She was closed to Keli?

I don't see the impossibility of going straight to practice. If she went around "in the early hours", it wouldn't be surprising if they, or she, slept in and didn't really get going until mid-afternoon. As to togs and towel, they might have been for hire at the pool. I was out with someone once who made an impromptu decision to go swimming, and he just hired them, no fuss.

Sleeping in would be the reasonable explanation, except that the car repairing witness claimed that he saw her leaving and walking out of the block in early hours of the morning.

 

[Via Marple]

Keli claimed she saw 'Andrew' about 6 times over a 6 month period. She did sleep over on occasion and that Mel was in retail.

Apparently before police took Keli to Balmain to locate Andrew's apartment she said she "searched for the apartment herself for about half an hour one afternoon with no luck".

Hmmm.

Edited to add: Not in the upload but on the next page... The real estate agent.

Mr Klein was surprised that Keli had said the block looked the same as when she visited back in 1996, because in the meantime it had been sold and in 2003 all of the apartments were renovated.

Thanks for that. Which book is that actually?

I wonder how extensive the reno was

This and all the discussions on the FB group, make me doubt if that was the right place at all. Apart from that car repairing guy saying he had seen Keli, all other evidence don't seem to line up.

 

[The Observer]

Can I ask who is Taryn Woods? She was closed to Keli?

Taryn was a friend from the water polo team. Taryn's father was also a coach.

Interesting that Keli decided she needed to speak to a solicitor once Det Gaut asked if they could forensically examine the car she had at the time (of Tegan) and if she was willing to let them extract DNA from the Guthrie test.

The car (the one Duncan gave her) was unregistered and just left in a side street in Mosman and had been for some time. Why? Wonder if anyone of significance lived there.

 

[The Observer]

Thanks for that. Which book is that actually?

I wonder how extensive the reno was

This and all the discussions on the FB group, make me doubt if that was the right place at all. Apart from that car repairing guy saying he had seen Keli, all other evidence don't seem to line up.

The Child Who Never Was: Looking For Tegan Lane By Allison Langdon.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

I don't see the impossibility of going straight to practice. If she went around "in the early hours", it wouldn't be surprising if they, or she, slept in and didn't really get going until mid-afternoon. As to togs and towel, they might have been for hire at the pool. I was out with someone once who made an impromptu decision to go swimming, and he just hired them, no fuss.

Can I ask who is Taryn Woods? She was closed to Keli?

Sleeping in would be the reasonable explanation, except that the car repairing witness claimed that he saw her leaving and walking out of the block in early hours of the morning.

And Keli told police that she would stay overnight and leave in the morning.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Probably not true. Why would she risk "Mel" springing her with "Andrew"?

IMO Keli makes out this "relationship" with "Andrew" to be much more than it actually was, just a bit of casual sex, nothing more!

 

[Bohemian]

I see what you mean Bo.

I read that as imprecise language from the ABC because a former policewoman cannot be assigned to an investigation. She had to be a current serving policewoman when she was assigned to the investigation. I have certainly seen these type of arrangements a few times before. I think the confusion arises because the ABC are not clear about what they are describing. The police have the investigative powers but do not have the access to the BDM Registry so they have an active and current member appointed to the AG department as the AG department had the administrative oversight of the Registry. The employee is now technically a serving member appointed to the investigation and an AG Department employee with proper access to the Registry.

Apologies, I am imputing knowledge that I have personally to what was imprecisely written IMHO.

Imprecise language indeed. To what end, I wonder?

It would be interesting to know the dates Fiona was assigned to BD&M. It seemed as if the ABC was reporting she, and the AR, were involved for the entirety of the investigation up to, and including, the dates all of the searches of the NSW Register were completed.

I wonder if that’s so, or if they were interviewed simply to give their individual opinions on the completeness of the NSW searches as well as those done in other Australian states, in which they had no ‘jurisdiction’?

I find it increasingly hard to believe that Exposed is continuing to report on this matter in an unbiased manner and are not increasingly becoming ‘Keli’s advocates’.*

[*ETA: Especially after the re-emergence and comments of ‘Michele Ruyters of the Innocence Initiative, which in its submission to the Attorney-General likened the case to Lindy Chamberlain's due to the lack of evidence, said she was "honestly nauseated".

"I just can't believe this is the Australian justice system in action. I truly can't believe it," she told ABC.

"It is time for her prosecution and conviction to be reviewed. It is over time."’

Keli Lane murder trial: New evidence shows search for baby Tegan incomplete - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[sosocurious]

Taryn was a friend from the water polo team. Taryn's father was also a coach.

Interesting that Keli decided she needed to speak to a solicitor once Det Gaut asked if they could forensically examine the car she had at the time (of Tegan) and if she was willing to let them extract DNA from the Guthrie test.

The car (the one Duncan gave her) was unregistered and just left in a side street in Mosman and had been for some time. Why? Wonder if anyone of significance lived there.

Unregistered from when?
When did Gaut ask those questions? During/after the second interview?

 

[sosocurious]

Any news on the postie?

 

[The Observer]

Unregistered from when?
When did Gaut ask those questions? During/after the second interview?

No idea how long it had been unregistered for at the time.

During the third interview (and final interview because she got a solicitor). Third interview and third version of how she got home from hospital too.

 

[Bohemian]

Poor old ‘Mr Crown’. They really are putting the boot in, aren’t they?

 

[sosocurious]

No idea how long it had been unregistered for at the time.

During the third interview (and final interview because she got a solicitor). Third interview and third version of how she got home from hospital too.

I should have said second recorded interview with Gaut.

 

[The Observer]

I should have said second recorded interview with Gaut.

Yup that'd be the one, sorry.

 

[The Observer]

One thing this book covers that Nice Girl doesn't is Keli's brother's testimony at the inquest. I'm not in my office at the moment so can't scan or upload but will type what is mentioned:

It was Robert Lane who broke the news to his son about Keli's pregnancies. Morgan Lane was 27 years old by the time the matter came before the Corner, and he told the court he had never broached the subject with Keli, except to occasionally make mention of the emotional impact the case was having on everyone and the unwarranted publicity it had attracted.

"I mean it's not a sit down conversation," he explained "But just like updates as to what's taking place in this process." Naively Morgan Lane hoped that the media would quickly tire of the story and that he and his family would be free to move on with their lives.

It was for this reason that he didn't want to ask Keli about what had happened because he believed once the doors closed on the inquest, they could go home and back to living a normal life.

"I realise that once this process finishes that we still have to maintain a relationship. I shouldn't say have to maintain, I want to continue a close relationship with my sister when this all finishes and we still have to live together and we're family."

Openly hostile to the journalists in the courtroom he fiercely defended his upbringing and described his childhood and teenage years as "second to none". Despite being her junior, Morgan Lane was protective of his older sister and it was his view that the case has had a huge emotional impact on her.

"You never directly asked what happened to Tegan Lane?" asked Sergeant Becroft. "Never wanted to ask," he answered. "It's not as if I blindly believe anything anyone says. I believe my sister in relation to this. I've seen the mother that she has become, also I've known her my whole life."

Moreover Morgan Lane insisted that he could completely understand why, whoever had baby Tegan - for he too believed that she was still alive - would refuse to come forward. He put it down to fear. "I can completely understand the motives behind anyone not coming forward," he said, claiming the whole investigation had been poorly handled and as a result his family was the centre of a media circus.