Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

[Karinna]

Could someone pull it off in New Zealand? Stuffed without a birth certificate?

Not sure what you mean? I have not heard about WT being in NZ? How would someone get him there? I'm sure an alert would of been put out at airports in case someone wanted to take him there, but why would they do that?

 

[Karinna]

NSW Police Force's child abuse squad is responsible for investigating almost 5000 alleged cases of sexual and physical abuse against children each year.

The squad was recently renamed after being previously called the Joint Investigation Response Team.

Part of the rebranding has led to an increase in arrests and a better public awareness about child abuse.

"We need to ensure that people who know something, do something," he said.

Many of Newbery's officers work in the same space as the Department of Family and Community Services and NSW Health.

The state is split up into four zones and each is headed by an inspector who oversees the investigations in that region.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-protection-the-hardest-job-in-nsw-police-force-20141029-11dn5z.html

All the talk of the JIRT and they were renamed in 2014.
Well I did not know that.

I would think most of those 5000 cases reported would be within families, as child abuse seems to be epidemic, as opposed to stranger abductions, which are rare in comparison.

 

[Bohemian]

NSW Govt defends William Tyrrell reward
Sky News
Published: 5:50 pm, Tuesday, 13 September 2016

'The record $1 million reward for information on missing toddler William Tyrrell has been set because of the unique nature of the case, Police Minister Troy Grant says.

'Rewards are never based on the value of a victim,' the deputy premier told parliament on Tuesday.

The Baird government was criticised by families of other NSW homicide victims following Monday's announcement the suspected abduction case was being allocated the state's largest reward for unsolved crimes.

'This case is unique in many respects but the belief that William is still alive is one key aspect that was taken into consideration when determining the amount of this reward,' Mr Grant said.

The NSW Police's Rewards Evaluation Advisory Committee currently determines reward applications for unsolved crimes before those decisions are referred to the police minister.

The government is open to looking at how it could improve that system, Mr Grant said.'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/nsw/2016/09/13/nsw-govt-defends-william-tyrrell-reward.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Not sure what you mean? I have not heard about WT being in NZ? How would someone get him there? I'm sure an alert would of been put out at airports in case someone wanted to take him there, but why would they do that?

There was that international alert that went out, NZ included. So I guess someone thought that William could have been taken overseas, and thought it enough to put the alerts out.



Crime Stoppers websites in up to 26 countries have been asked by NSW Crime Stoppers to post an article about William’s abduction from the small town of Kendall last year, asking anyone with information to contact Australian Police.

New Zealand Crime Stoppers quickly jumped on board, posting a picture of William and an appeal for information on their home page last week.

NSW Crime Stoppers CEO Peter Price, who is also the Crime Stoppers International vice president, said the agency expected other countries, including the US, Canada, Netherlands and South Africa, to follow suit in the coming days.

“We’re using the global crime stoppers network to broaden the communications appeal relating to his disappearance,” Mr Price said.

“We’re hoping that somebody might recognise him.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/28531b37a866546089793027c69b0d3f

 

[Karinna]

There was that international alert that went out, NZ included. So I guess someone thought that William could have been taken overseas, and thought it enough to put the alerts out.



Crime Stoppers websites in up to 26 countries have been asked by NSW Crime Stoppers to post an article about William’s abduction from the small town of Kendall last year, asking anyone with information to contact Australian Police.

New Zealand Crime Stoppers quickly jumped on board, posting a picture of William and an appeal for information on their home page last week.

NSW Crime Stoppers CEO Peter Price, who is also the Crime Stoppers International vice president, said the agency expected other countries, including the US, Canada, Netherlands and South Africa, to follow suit in the coming days.

“We’re using the global crime stoppers network to broaden the communications appeal relating to his disappearance,” Mr Price said.

“We’re hoping that somebody might recognise him.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/28531b37a866546089793027c69b0d3f

Wonder why someone thought they would of taken him to NZ? Odd.

 

[Karinna]

NSW Govt defends William Tyrrell reward
Sky News
Published: 5:50 pm, Tuesday, 13 September 2016

'The record $1 million reward for information on missing toddler William Tyrrell has been set because of the unique nature of the case, Police Minister Troy Grant says.

'Rewards are never based on the value of a victim,' the deputy premier told parliament on Tuesday.

The Baird government was criticised by families of other NSW homicide victims following Monday's announcement the suspected abduction case was being allocated the state's largest reward for unsolved crimes.

'This case is unique in many respects but the belief that William is still alive is one key aspect that was taken into consideration when determining the amount of this reward,' Mr Grant said.

The NSW Police's Rewards Evaluation Advisory Committee currently determines reward applications for unsolved crimes before those decisions are referred to the police minister.

The government is open to looking at how it could improve that system, Mr Grant said.'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/nsw/2016/09/13/nsw-govt-defends-william-tyrrell-reward.html

I really would like to know why they think he is alive when odds would say otherwise in a stranger abduction? And if they are so sure he is alive then why haven't they got him back yet? And what makes them so sure he is? Doesn't make sense.

 

[krig101]

And didn't police say family have been ruled out?

In all of the cases I've followed I've learned to take this statement with a grain of salt no matter how much it is stressed. Many times it is a police tactic...



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[Ochre Blue]

At the major shopping centre on the Sunshine Coast (South East Queensland) today, there were huge posters of William & info about the reward right throughout on advertising screens.
Massive exposure- it actually made me feel strangely heartened!
Great work GJ & teams!

 

[krig101]

Have not been able to be on here much the past few days. I keep popping in though hoping to see if someone is going to claim the 1000000....Fingers crossed. Time for this to end.

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[Karinna]

Have not been able to be on here much the past few days. I keep popping in though hoping to see if someone is going to claim the 1000000....Fingers crossed. Time for this to end.

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I agree, it is time for this to end. Do offering up large rewards ever get these types of cases solved though? I can't think of any, but maybe someone else here might know?

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't know that we could ever find out if a large reward was paid out. If they are offering privacy and safety, they probably would keep the matter confidential.
And I don't think the person that gave them the essential info would want everyone to know either.

 

[Bohemian]

NSW Police Force's child abuse squad is responsible for investigating almost 5000 alleged cases of sexual and physical abuse against children each year.

The squad was recently renamed after being previously called the Joint Investigation Response Team.

Part of the rebranding has led to an increase in arrests and a better public awareness about child abuse.

"We need to ensure that people who know something, do something," he said.

Many of Newbery's officers work in the same space as the Department of Family and Community Services and NSW Health.

The state is split up into four zones and each is headed by an inspector who oversees the investigations in that region.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-protection-the-hardest-job-in-nsw-police-force-20141029-11dn5z.html

All the talk of the JIRT and they were renamed in 2014.
Well I did not know that.

It's news to me too. Still named as the JIRT on the NSW Health Department's Office of Kids and Families website too and it was last updated on 8 Mar 2016:

http://www.kidsfamilies.health.nsw....ves/joint-investigation-response-team-(jirt)/

The investigation into William's disappearance does seems to have unearthed a few alleged and/or convicted CSOs and I think there will be more to come. Maybe one of them will also be responsible for abducting William but I really hope not.

NSW SCC Serious Crimes Directorate does have a Child Abuse Squad:

'Child Abuse Squad

The Child Abuse Squad is comprised of detectives who are specially trained to investigate crimes against children, including sexual assault, physical abuse and serious cases of neglect. The squad works in partnership with the Department of Family and Community Services and NSW Health, with specialised tri-agency teams based at metropolitan and regional locations throughout NSW.'

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/operations_command/state_crime_command

IIRC child abuse was investigated by the Sex Crimes Squad about 20 years ago.

 

[Hbayne]

The kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard occurred on June 10, 1991, south of South Lake Tahoe, California. Dugard was 11 years old at the time and was abducted from a street while she was walking from home to a school bus stop. Searches began immediately after her disappearance, but no reliable leads were generated despite the fact that her stepfather, Carl Probyn, witnessed her kidnapping and chased the kidnappers on his mountain bike. Dugard remained missing until 2009, when a convicted sex offender, Phillip Garrido, visited the University of California campus in Berkeley accompanied by two young girls on August 24 and 25 that same year. The unusual behavior of the trio sparked an investigation that led Phillip's parole officer to order him to bring the two girls to a parole office in Concord, California, on August 26. He was accompanied by a woman who was successfully identified as Jaycee Dugard who was by then 29 years old.

 

[Hbayne]

The kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard occurred on June 10, 1991, south of South Lake Tahoe, California. Dugard was 11 years old at the time and was abducted from a street while she was walking from home to a school bus stop. Searches began immediately after her disappearance, but no reliable leads were generated despite the fact that her stepfather, Carl Probyn, witnessed her kidnapping and chased the kidnappers on his mountain bike. Dugard remained missing until 2009, when a convicted sex offender, Phillip Garrido, visited the University of California campus in Berkeley accompanied by two young girls on August 24 and 25 that same year. The unusual behavior of the trio sparked an investigation that led Phillip's parole officer to order him to bring the two girls to a parole office in Concord, California, on August 26. He was accompanied by a woman who was successfully identified as Jaycee Dugard who was by then 29 years old.

The statistics are slim but it's still a possibility

 

[krig101]

I agree, it is time for this to end. Do offering up large rewards ever get these types of cases solved though? I can't think of any, but maybe someone else here might know?

Can't say if I've ever seen it happen, but I've never seen this much money being offered. After all of this time, there has to be a good reason.....I feel that this reward is directed at a certain person....


JMO

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[krig101]

I don't know that we could ever find out if a large reward was paid out. If they are offering privacy and safety, they probably would keep the matter confidential.
And I don't think the person that gave them the essential info would want everyone to know either.

Very true SA!

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[Bohemian]

I agree, it is time for this to end. Do offering up large rewards ever get these types of cases solved though? I can't think of any, but maybe someone else here might know?

I've been doing a little digging on this very subject tonight. I still need to read the links to get a better idea of whether rewards 'work' or not. There seems to be two schools of thought, ie; missing persons' organisations say rewards help to raise the profile of the missing person but other stakeholders say they often remain unclaimed (for various reasons). More to come tomorrow but now I sleep.

 

[Karinna]

I've been doing a little digging on this very subject tonight. I still need to read the links to get a better idea of whether rewards 'work' or not. There seems to be two schools of thought, ie; missing persons' organisations say rewards help to raise the profile of the missing person but other stakeholders say they often remain unclaimed (for various reasons). More to come tomorrow but now I sleep.

Thanks for your insight into that. I was just thinking about it before and came to the conclusion that i definitely think it would depend entirely on the circumstances of any individual case and as to what possibly happened in any given case.
I think to claim any such reward there would be more than just a single perpetrator that would know of where that missing child is and as to exactly
what happened. And in William's case I would think members of the general public wouldn't have any more information than they have already given.
Taking into consideration that this case is already at the two year mark. From other missing child cases i have followed, if that child hasn't been found rather quickly the longer a case goes on it just keeps going it seems. I think of Haleigh Cummings, Kyron Hormon, Ayla Reynolds, and numerous others that years later have never been found. And yet they are out there somewhere. So unless someone else is in on what happened to WT, i don't know if a reward will help? But if someone else knows then maybe it can finally be resolved.

 

[koios]

Image by http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/ I added yellow and green
If WT walked off the deck intending to go to the driveway to wait for FF car, he would have turned left off the deck and into the carport (yellow) and driveway.
But WT turned right (green) off the deck, away from the carport and driveway.

 

[Karinna]

I don't know that we could ever find out if a large reward was paid out. If they are offering privacy and safety, they probably would keep the matter confidential.
And I don't think the person that gave them the essential info would want everyone to know either.

Probably not, but wouldn't we know that if after a large monetary reward is offered and a case gets solved that the reward would of helped to resolve it? I think it would be kind of obvious.
I am not saying that anyone that received the reward would necessarily be named publically, of course confidentiality would be expected.