Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Karinna]

No-one apart from the FFC saw those cars and even the Coroner questioned the accuracy of her claim.

You can't take it as a given.

I have wondered why that information took so long about a year iirc, to come to the public's attention? I would of thought in a missing child case and i have followed a few, that information would be vital to put out in the public very quickly because of WT perhaps being in one of those vehicles and taken away.
I don't think Australia has an Amber Alert, or didn't at the time this case happened, but might do so now? But it would be very important to know if a vehicle was involved for sure.

 

[JLZ]

No one really knows why the time discrepancies not even police could explain it. If it was as simple as time differences from one country to another that would be simple enough i would think, but then why the need for a forensic examination of the photos timeline? And BD's lawyer and the coroner needed a forensic explanation too. But hopefully it will come out at the next phase of the Inquest for clarity?

Exactly 2 hours could be some sort of automatic adjustment between time zones but the two minutes Deugirtni pointed out seems to say it wasn't just that. If there's evidence of a manual adjustment to the device, the timeprint on the photographs becomes of questionable value as evidence. If there's a two minute error, why not one of twenty minutes?

 

[KateM]

One thing in particular I did pick up on in that report was just how quickly the story changed from being a little boy missing from the veranda of the home while playing with his sister to little boy went missing from playing at the side of the home to little boy went missing from playing in the front yard. I also remember reading the media reports closer to the day William went missing and recall the story that William and his sister were playing hide and seek and the officer asked Williams sister if there were any hiding places and I think her response was no. Not long after that the story then changed to William playing daddy tiger mummy monster. So there are a few variations to what happened that morning but I tend to go by the very first report that was taken on that day when statements made were raw and in that moment without time to think about what could be changed or altered

It's always a concern when the stories keep changing...

 

[KateM]

I have wondered why that information took so long about a year iirc, to come to the public's attention? I would of thought in a missing child case and i have followed a few, that information would be vital to put out in the public very quickly because of WT perhaps being in one of those vehicles and taken away.
I don't think Australia has an Amber Alert, or didn't at the time this case happened, but might do so now? But it would be very important to know if a vehicle was involved for sure.

Yes, that time delay of one year, before Jubelin released the information re the cars was very odd.

 

[JLZ]

Well that's just wrong. I'm not sure if it was a police person that wrote that or whatever... but its's just completely wrong, who's report are you quoting?

It isn't "just wrong". You said earlier that a slope of as much as 45 degrees wasn't steep. I submit that most people would disagree with that. If your idea of a steep slope is nearer the vertical than the horizontal, fair enough, perhaps you're an abseiler, but that's not the standard perspective for a walker or a driver.

 

[Chrissy74]

Yes. On that date, 9:37am Sydney time would correspond to 7:37 in Denpasar and Taipei, for instance. Could the camera have been manually altered to Sydney time and the person's reference was a couple of minutes out?

Does this mean the photos would have had to been uploaded on a computer in order to correct the time?

 

[Tinker Taylor]

We're waiting to hear the results.. but it seems odd that the photos are not out *exactly* two hours, but rather 1 hour 58 minutes and 50 seconds.

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

Mystery over last photo of William Tyrrell

There are a couple of photos of the photo discrepancies at this link:

View attachment 236398
Never-before-seen pics from day William vanished

Just saw this when I was looking for information.

EXIF Data Viewer
EXIF is short for Exchangeable Image File, a format that is a standard for storing interchange information in digital photography image files using JPEG compression. Almost all new digital cameras use the EXIF annotation, storing information on the image such as shutter speed, exposure compensation, F number, what metering system was used, if a flash was used, ISO number, date and time the image was taken, whitebalance, auxiliary lenses that were used and resolution. Some images may even store GPS information so you can easily see where the images were taken!

 

[JLZ]

Does this mean the photos would have had to been uploaded on a computer in order to correct the time?

I couldn't tell you. I wasn't thinking about the time on the photographs being altered but the time on the camera, but this only affecting the top level of the programming so to speak, leaving the original timing happening at a deeper level. If so all photographs taken with that camera should have the dual timing.

 

[Thebottomline]

Calm your jets guys about the photo time stamp, sure you’ll get your answers in a few days

 

[Thebottomline]

Just saw this when I was looking for information.

EXIF Data Viewer
EXIF is short for Exchangeable Image File, a format that is a standard for storing interchange information in digital photography image files using JPEG compression. Almost all new digital cameras use the EXIF annotation, storing information on the image such as shutter speed, exposure compensation, F number, what metering system was used, if a flash was used, ISO number, date and time the image was taken, whitebalance, auxiliary lenses that were used and resolution. Some images may even store GPS information so you can easily see where the images were taken!

Fascinating

 

[Karinna]

Exactly 2 hours could be some sort of automatic adjustment between time zones but the two minutes Deugirtni pointed out seems to say it wasn't just that. If there's evidence of a manual adjustment to the device, the timeprint on the photographs becomes of questionable value as evidence. If there's a two minute error, why not one of twenty minutes?

Yes we don't really know at this stage, and will be good to have it verified in court hopefully soon.

 

[JLZ]

Calm your jets guys about the photo time stamp, sure you’ll get your answers in a few days

Thanks for that. I've only just clicked that it's March already.

 

[sleepinoz]

About the Camera time:

10 News First understands the foster mother told police she had never entered the correct time in the digital camera, which is why there is a two hour discrepancy not just on that photo, but all the photos taken on that camera prior to that day.

Questions Raised Over Last Ever Photo Taken Of William Tyrrell

 

[Karinna]

It's always a concern when the stories keep changing...

Agree, and it just adds so much more confusion to an already confusing case IMO.
How much of that is the fault of MSM though? And where do they get their information & fact check?

 

[sleepinoz]

Agree, and it just adds so much more confusion to an already confusing case IMO.
How much of that is the fault of MSM though? And where do they get their information & fact check?

BBM - Most of it IMO.

 

[JLZ]

About the Camera time:

10 News First understands the foster mother told police she had never entered the correct time in the digital camera, which is why there is a two hour discrepancy not just on that photo, but all the photos taken on that camera prior to that day.

Questions Raised Over Last Ever Photo Taken Of William Tyrrell

That doesn't exactly make sense. The two hour discrepancy says that something changed the time, not that the time wasn't corrected. As I see it, if there had been no alteration, and a photograph was taken at say 9:30, both times would show 7:30.

 

[sleepinoz]

That doesn't exactly make sense. The two hour discrepancy says that something changed the time, not that the time wasn't corrected. As I see it, if there had been no alteration, and a photograph was taken at say 9:30, both times would show 7:30.

Timezones on Camera's aren't always correct to the minute from my experience.

 

[JLZ]

Timezones on Camera's aren't always correct to the minute from my experience.

OK so it could have been a couple of minutes out to begin with and then updated to the exactly correct time by some automatic means FFC wasn't aware of (and of which I'd know even less).

 

[Chrissy74]

I couldn't tell you. I wasn't thinking about the time on the photographs being altered but the time on the camera, but this only affecting the top level of the programming so to speak, leaving the original timing happening at a deeper level. If so all photographs taken with that camera should have the dual timing.

Ah I see. So if the time on a photo/s is changed then the changed time on all the photos should show the same time unless I’m thinking they are changed individually one by one

 

[sleepinoz]

OK so it could have been a couple of minutes out to begin with and then updated to the exactly correct time by some automatic means FFC wasn't aware of (and of which I'd know even less).

I could be wrong, but I took it as being corrected by the forensic software company not anyone else:

The report, obtained by The Australian, was generated by X-Ways forensic software. It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera, and it says: “Created: 12/09/2014 07:39:54. Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44.”


Probe into William photo

ETA: I don't think a camera will show created and corrected times. MOO