Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

[Warshawski]

Wow, he had the camera for 6 weeks!! Then only gave it to them when they came to the house to interview him! No wonder Jubelin was suspicious of him. Good luck with trying to sue the Police for harassment <modsnip>

That’s what I say too, but he’s already ruined the career of a brilliant investigator

 

[Warshawski]

Wow, he had the camera for 6 weeks!! Then only gave it to them when they came to the house to interview him! No wonder Jubelin was suspicious of him. Good luck with trying to sue the Police for harassment <modsnip>

That’s what I say too, but let’s remember that he’s already ruined the career of a brilliant investigator.
IMO, he plays a great part <modsnip> ... I’d say at the least, he’s a frivolous game player, totally lacking in empathy .
May God bless & save him.

 

[Warshawski]

Does anyone have access to the Australian ?

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[SouthAussie]

I think Savage remembered the two cars that were parked on the street, much later, because he didn't want suspicion cast upon the innocent FP. I think he knows a lot more than he is saying.

His disappearance into the bush for 1½ hours may have been him trying to find where William was taken, if he didn't take William himself, because he saw something from his back porch that he is not speaking of.

 

[Warshawski]

I think Savage remembered the two cars that were parked on the street, much later, because he didn't want suspicion cast upon the innocent FP. I think he knows a lot more than he is saying.

His disappearance into the bush for 1½ hours may have been him trying to find where William was taken, if he didn't take William himself, because he saw something from his back porch that he is not speaking of.

I’m with you SA... I’m not saying he’s the one responsible, but I feel he knows something. . may even be too scared to divulge for whatever reason, although he gives the impression of enjoying his notoriety..IMO

 

[interested64]

White station wagon....and photo of Ray Porter

William Tyrrell abduction: Probe after dying man's confession | Daily Mail Online

I so wish they had a side on view,Fm said no hubcaps,i wonder if Abbot borrowed the car after maybe dropping Ray of at the hospital ?

From William Tyrrell abduction: Probe after dying man's confession | Daily Mail Online

Porter allegedly claimed he picked up William and his mate from behind the Kendall School and then drove the pair north 300 kilometres.

Porter had only ever spoken of two of his friends, one of them being his 'fishing buddy' Frank Abbott, the court heard.

So where does that leave the inquest?? Who actually is Ray Porter's 2nd friend????
Allegedly, we have heard of a "Phil" but nothing else so far......

And when did this alleged drive take place???? The next day???? Or that afternoon after dialysis?? or 2 days later when Porter's car was captured travelling both North and South at Port Macquarie?

Although I don't know how you could hide a child for 2 days when the whole town was searching for him?!

A recent document says in the two days after William vanished, Porter's car was recorded passing the Kew southbound camera on the morning of September 13, 2014, and the north- and south-bound cameras at Port Macquarie, the next day.

An undated police note signed by Detective Senior Constable Ari Barr said: 'Hospital records show that on the 12th September 2014, Porter was at dialysis at Port Macquarie Hospital between 9am and 3pm.

Was Porter dropped off and picked up at the hospital as he had loaned his car that day??

Porter's car wasn't picked up by highway cameras between his Wauchope home and the hospital that critical day. But detectives suggested Porter had likely just used an alternative route, the Oxley Highway, to attend his clinic.

I had though Porter was living as a caretaker of the Kendall Showgrounds in Sept 2014?? No longer in Wauchope??
Happy to be incorrect on that ...

Data and photographs from Roads and Maritime Services cameras indicate that Porter's white stationwagon traveled around the region over several days that month.

And where does this leave Porter's Statement to the Nurse ?? True or false ???

I had hope that this was the "break' that Police needed .......
ALL IMO........

And the revised edition www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8504793/Video-William-Tyrrell-person-Paul-Savage-plucked-secret-camera-tree.html

Is someone able to map the points where the car was seen on camera etc for those of us who dont know the area,would be a great help

 

[interested64]

If he didn't know it belonged to the police, why would he have given it to them when they called to his house? Anyone could have left it there.

Why would he presume he was a "target" if he found it in the bush?

Quote from the article:

"The veteran homicide cop then turned to the pensioner and said: 'OK then, let's talk about the camera'.

'The camera that, uh, I handed to police?' Mr Savage asked.

The pensioner told detectives it had been found by his daughter and he 'thought it was (switched) off'.

Mr Savage said he thought he had kept it inside at his home for about a week and that he had planned to hand it over to police.

The detectives corrected him: it had taken him five weeks to cough it up. He had only surrendered it to officers the next time officers had visited his home.

Mr Savage said: ' I didn't get it any more thought. It's a camera sittin' up in the bush. God knows how ... long it had been there.'

Mr Jubelin said Mr Savage had constantly seen police exploring the bush, and had spoken to officers himself, but he still took the camera down without telling detectives.

'But no, you took the camera off and hung onto it and only gave it back when police were, turned up looking for it.'

Mr Savage replied: 'They didn't turn up looking for it ... he (the police officer) was as surprised as blazers when I gave it to him.

Mr Jubelin accused Mr Savage of being 'flippant' toward the investigation, which Mr Savage denied."

Flippant,hes a right pain in the ar....se

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m with you SA... I’m not saying he’s the one responsible, but I feel he knows something. . may even be too scared to divulge for whatever reason, although he gives the impression of enjoying his notoriety..IMO

Unfortunately, if a million dollars and immunity from prosecution didn't entice Savage to divulge what he knows, I don't think he is going to ever say anything. Unless he gives a deathbed confession, as Ray Porter did.

 

[SouthAussie]

My current theory about how this all could have happened ...

Abbott was in the area visiting with the mystery man at #35. Who knows why. Mystery man grew pot in his window box? Had kiddie *advertiser censored* videos? Had violent adult movies? Something(s).

Abbott saw William as Abbott was leaving, and took him.

Savage saw this from his back porch, and the whole area knows who Abbott is and what he is capable of.

Abbott makes his way to the school with little William.

Porter picks them up, much later, and drives them away.

Did they drive 300km? I don't think so, hence the searches all around where Abbott lived.

Porter likely said 300km because he knows William is no longer with us, and he didn't want to totally blow his mate in, so he made it seem as if William was passed to someone else far away. Made it seem that Abbott didn't murder William. That way Abbott might go down for abduction, but not for murder. And fools would quit blaming the FP.

Savage is too scared of Abbott to speak, even though they have tried every which way. Reward, immunity, phone recordings, visits on unexpected Fridays .... and more. But he, too, doesn't want the innocent FP blamed so he supported them however he could.

Mystery man at #35 is frightened too, so he moved away.

No-one wants themselves or their families to experience Abbott's wrath when he gets out of prison. And he wasn't in prison when William disappeared.

 

[Blues Clues]

I so wish they had a side on view,Fm said no hubcaps,i wonder if Abbot borrowed the car after maybe dropping Ray of at the hospital ?

Is someone able to map the points where the car was seen on camera etc for those of us who dont know the area,would be a great help

BBM
Interested64 if Ray Porter's car is indeed the car FFC described, it was parked in Benaroon Dr at 7.30am. If Abbott or someone else borrowed the car they didn't drop RP at the hospital.

 

[sleepinoz]

My current theory about how this all could have happened ...

Abbott was in the area visiting with the mystery man at #35. Who knows why. Mystery man grew pot in his window box? Had kiddie *advertiser censored* videos? Had violent adult movies? Something(s).

Abbott saw William as Abbott was leaving, and took him.

Savage saw this from his back porch, and the whole area knows who Abbott is and what he is capable of.

Abbott makes his way to the school with little William.

Porter picks them up and drives them away.

Did they drive 300km? I don't think so, hence the searches all around where Abbott lived.

Porter likely said 300km because he knows William is no longer with us, and he didn't want to totally blow his mate in, so he made it seem as if William was passed to someone else far away. Made it seem that Abbott didn't murder William. That way Abbott might go down for abduction, but not for murder. And fools would quit blaming the FP.

Savage is too scared of Abbott to speak, even though they have tried every which way. Reward, immunity, phone recordings, visits on unexpected Fridays .... and more. But he, too, doesn't want the innocent FP blamed so he supported them however he could.

Mystery man at #35 is frightened too, so he moved away.

No-one wants themselves or their families to experience Abbott's wrath when he gets out of prison.

My question is ............why does "mystery man at #35" have his name suppressed?

 

[SLouTh]

My question is ............why does "mystery man at #35" have his name suppressed?

Yes agree that is most interesting .... I too have often wondered that ....
Could be one extreme to the other..... Was his name on the Offender Register or was he Undercover in Kendall for some reason ???? Or some other reason?

 

[SouthAussie]

My question is ............why does "mystery man at #35" have his name suppressed?

And why did he live in a sleepy little town, far from the towns and cities when he was an ex-taxi driver? Why did he only go out at night? Witness protection program - from some earlier testimony? Did he meet Abbott while in prison? But he testified against someone for an early release?

We never felt that he was put under the spotlight like everyone else. And his potential involvement was dismissed very early. It is not as if he could have been scared of the police ... his involvement was dismissed.

 

[Blues Clues]

I've always felt the cars were at #35. Especially with him being 'nocturnal' and the cars already being there at 7.30am.

Why don't we ever hear anything about the 2nd car?

Another thing.... Elizabeth Rowley described the station wagon slightly differently. FA came into her antique shop 6-8 times in late 2013 to ask her to look at items in a car in which he was a passenger. She described the car as a white FORD station wagon, boxy shape. When asked if she was sure, she said "I know my cars it was a ford." She had also seen him in a white utility.

It's concerning that the Frank Abbott theory might depend on the car FFC described being Ray Porters. I hope there's more.

 

[Blues Clues]

I so wish they had a side on view,Fm said no hubcaps,i wonder if Abbot borrowed the car after maybe dropping Ray of at the hospital ?

Is someone able to map the points where the car was seen on camera etc for those of us who dont know the area,would be a great help

BBM

This is a zoom of the map Stormbird posted (thank you Stormbird). On it you can see the point to point camera at Kew which is what is on the photo in the media report. The photos north and southbound the day after near Port Macquarie is difficult to pinpoint on the map - there's not enough information.
Using this link you can zoom in further

NSW Speed Camera Locations - Google My Maps

 

[SLouTh]

Yes Porters car does look like the image released by the Police .. I went back to look at them today .....
The image also looks' like the car Tony Jones used....

Yes why haven't we ever heard about a possible match for the second car??? Was it new to the area???

And I though it was interesting that Police Image shows the cars with hubcaps... not without... were the Police trying to hide the "no hubcaps" as long as possible?? Like the white spider on William's Spiderman Costume ....?

 

[Tim N]

That’s what I say too, but let’s remember that he’s already ruined the career of a brilliant investigator.
IMO, he plays a great part <modsnip> ... I’d say at the least, he’s a frivolous game player, totally lacking in empathy .
May God bless & save him.

the same way that god created him eh?..

 

[Tim N]

My current theory about how this all could have happened ...

Abbott was in the area visiting with the mystery man at #35. Who knows why. Mystery man grew pot in his window box? Had kiddie *advertiser censored* videos? Had violent adult movies? Something(s).

Abbott saw William as Abbott was leaving, and took him.

Savage saw this from his back porch, and the whole area knows who Abbott is and what he is capable of.

Abbott makes his way to the school with little William.

Porter picks them up, much later, and drives them away.

Did they drive 300km? I don't think so, hence the searches all around where Abbott lived.

Porter likely said 300km because he knows William is no longer with us, and he didn't want to totally blow his mate in, so he made it seem as if William was passed to someone else far away. Made it seem that Abbott didn't murder William. That way Abbott might go down for abduction, but not for murder. And fools would quit blaming the FP.

Savage is too scared of Abbott to speak, even though they have tried every which way. Reward, immunity, phone recordings, visits on unexpected Fridays .... and more. But he, too, doesn't want the innocent FP blamed so he supported them however he could.

Mystery man at #35 is frightened too, so he moved away.

No-one wants themselves or their families to experience Abbott's wrath when he gets out of prison. And he wasn't in prison when William disappeared.

i think the flaw in your theory is people doing things to cover for others because of friendship.

they only appear to cover for others because they are complicit and/or implicated themselves. there is no basis to be scared given the police scrutiny going on.

i like the timeline and that you have a theory that pieces it all together logically.

 

[JLZ]

I've never had dialysis but my hunch is that Porter wouldn't have been up for distance driving immediately afterwards.

Porter likely said 300km because he knows William is no longer with us, and he didn't want to totally blow his mate in, so he made it seem as if William was passed to someone else far away. Made it seem that Abbott didn't murder William. That way Abbott might go down for abduction, but not for murder. And fools would quit blaming the FP.

To add to that, roughly 300km north would take them to the Queensland border. I tend to agree about the psychological distancing.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

To add to that, roughly 300km north would take them to the Queensland border. I tend to agree about the psychological distancing.

300km north of Kendall is Maclean on the coast road or between Grafton and Casino on the hinterland road. That's still around 170km from Queensland border. Lots of alternative living folks around the hinterland and places to hide a child.