Bosma Murder Trial 02.22.16 - Day 12

[Tealgrove]

This is fairly routine in point of fact. Many matters require a ruling from the judge, but these discussions (arguments is the legal term, but it does not necessarily mean it is disputatious) always take place in the absence of the jury. In a judge alone trial, or in an appeals court proceeding, you don't tend to notice them so much because there is no jury involved.

It is also routine during a jury trial not to report on matters discussed in court in the absence of the jury. This makes it far less necessary to "sequester" the jury - keep them in isolation in a hotel for the duration of the trial, an extremely onerous, not to mention expensive, procedure.

It doesn't mean that people in court can't share what they heard with their family over dinner (provided they have no connection to the case), it just means it can't be published until the trial is concluded.

Matters include quite minor questions of procedure, questions concerning admissibility of particular evidence, presentation of qualifications of a potential witness to be declared an "expert witness" (shades of the Dr. Charles Smith fiasco -- he should never have been considered an expert witness on forensic pathology, in which he had no qualifications whatever, and protocols for qualifying a witness to be an expert in a field have since been made more specific and subject to approval).

It can also be something major, too, of course, such as an accused changing his or her plea, or challenging evidence to be introduced that was not (purportedly) disclosed.

Sometimes the judge takes these matters under advisement because he or she wishes to consult legal precedent or related cases before making a decision.

Found this link that explains quite a bit.
https://www.cjc-ccm.gc.ca/cmslib/general/news_pub_other_cjsm_en.pdf

 

[Velma]

are you ok to continue Velma with Adam's tweets? I can take over if you like.

I'm good I can't multitask with other tweets though, do you want to cover any of the other journalists?

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
The application was made April 23, 2013. Signed by Madeleine Burns. (Millard's mother) #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
There was an application to erect a building on the #Millard farm in 2013. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Court shown an aerial view of the property w a red rectangle marking spot on west side where proposed building would be built #Bosma

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 3m3 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Building was suppose to be a drive shed. @CHCHNews #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Adam Carter 12:18 PM
Crown Craig Fraser asking whether or not drive sheds would normally be built on a farm property like this one.

Adam Carter 12:19 PM
A drive shed is a term used for agricultural buildings to store things like tractors, etc.

Adam Carter 12:20 PM
Denny says as far as he knows, there was no housing on the property.

 

[Velma]

Adam Carter 12:21 PM
Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay objects to questioning. Jury again being sent out for legal arguments.

Adam Carter 12:21 PM
Again, I can't report anything that's being said with the jury out of the room.

 

[Gibson67]

I'm good I can't multitask with other tweets though, do you want to cover any of the other journalists?

looks like we are covered.

 

[Kamille]

So are we going to find out that MB was in charge of the WM estate after his death, or at least took over things, and that everything was going to be liquidated anyway? At least the hangar? Was there a large debt load that had to be dealt with? Did they need the shed for DM to continue his "business" once he didn't have a hangar to play in anymore?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

and when in 2013?

May?? Don't want to jump to conclusions here but was he looking to concrete over certain spots on the farm? And why would MB be the one applying? If it was after his arrest, maybe she was applying with a power of attorney? Kind of amazing that he'd be thinking about building things when he had more pressing things to think about. MOO

 

[billandrew]

A 4,400 square foot drive shed would store a lot of vehicles. A LOT of vehicles!

 

[Kamille]

looks like we are covered.

I'm heading out soon. If you can grab the other tweets that would be great!

 

[cansleuther]

May?? Don't want to jump to conclusions here but was he looking to concrete over certain spots on the farm? And why would MB be the one applying? If it was after his arrest, maybe she was applying with a power of attorney? Kind of amazing that he'd be thinking about building things when he had more pressing things to think about. MOO

[video=twitter;701816427439898624]https://twitter.com/mollyhayes/status/701816427439898624[/video]

 

[Kamille]

May?? Don't want to jump to conclusions here but was he looking to concrete over certain spots on the farm? And why would MB be the one applying? If it was after his arrest, maybe she was applying with a power of attorney? Kind of amazing that he'd be thinking about building things when he had more pressing things to think about. MOO

April 23, 2013. Before the murder. I think this is going to go to his financial situation?

MOO

 

[Velma]

Adam Carter 12:25 PM
Jury now being recalled.

Adam Carter 12:29 PM
Now looking at the form that Millard's mother had signed off on for the building application.

Adam Carter 12:29 PM
Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak now cross examining.

 

[Tealgrove]

[video=twitter;701816427439898624]https://twitter.com/mollyhayes/status/701816427439898624[/video]

Interesting....Shane ordered the Eliminator (based on the paperwork we have seen), MB signed the application to build a drive shed. Once again, DM's name is kept out of it.

Maybe MB will be called as a witness and fairly soon.

 

[Velma]

Adam Carter 12:30 PM
Denny says to get permission to build on the farm, one would need permission from the municipality and you'd need to state its purpose.

Adam Carter 12:31 PM
"That was not a secret, it was made very public, correct?" Sachak says. "Yes," Denny responds.

Adam Carter 12:32 PM
Not sure of the significance of this shed, just yet.

 

[MsSherlock]

April 23, 2013. Before the murder. I think this is going to go to his financial situation?

MOO

But why would MB be applying for a building permit on a piece of land owned by DM? What was preventing him from applying for it himself? This is like reading a mystery novel in one paragraph a day! MOO

 

[Kamille]

No wonder there are so many arguments. The defence would NOT want any evidence of his financial situation brought into this trial IMO. Looks like they were able to stop the Crown from asking about why someone who doesn't farm would put such a building on a piece of land like that.

MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Did NOT see this coming.

 

[Kamille]

But why would MB be applying for a building permit on a piece of land owned by DM? What was preventing him from applying for it himself? This is like reading a mystery novel in one paragraph a day! MOO

Was she the executor of WM's estate? And as such had to act on behalf of MillardAir until it was settled? Where all the money and holdings were?

 

[Tealgrove]

This Drive Shed must hold a great deal of significance. They're discussing it, seemingly out of the blue.