CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[debbiegarcia36]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/bt-missing-png.198045/

link

Has anyone taken a look at the above link posted @gsleuth? It provides a great birds eye view of the path BT might have taken from the rock formations to where the truck and RV was parked. Really helps understand the terrain.

 

[k-mac]

If the source for stating that the photo was taken in 2017 is the date on the metadata, that is not correct. That date relates to the device, not the photo.

I thought, though I may be wrong, that the VI had confirmed that the photo was taken on the day Barbara went missing. I don't mean in very recent posts, but earlier, so I may have misremembered.

sorry Cherwell I just posted on your other post not realising your addressing again.
I have only seen VI post early in the threads he thought the pic in red cap looked older than that day.
yes we have established that the metadata isn't what we had hoped to figure from it.
still a mystery!

 

[artsy1]

I think it has been established that it is NOT an old picture.

No one knows how old or recent it is, not even family.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

"Take a walk" around Kelbaker/Hidden Hills via this Instant street view link and you'll get a sense of the enormous task of trying to find Barb. : (

Kelbaker Rd, California, United States | Instant Street View

Thanks for sharing the link. Really gives us a idea of what its like out there.

 

[charminglane]

The brush out there does not seem as tall as Barbara.
I find it hard to believe she wouldn't have been seen by RT at some point.
Or heard any calling out for her.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

RBBM... ugh, my question is who would WANT to hike in 126 degree temperatures? That sounds absolutely miserable, and extremely dangerous as well... I would be terrified. JMO.

Well, at least on July 12 the high in the Mojave was 102 and the low wss 68. The high hits at about 3 pm I think.

https://m.accuweather.com/en/us/mojave-ca/93501/july-weather/337159

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Ransom abductions aren't that common in the US, as I understand. And if you want ransom, wouldn't it require holding the victim somewhere, feeding them enough to keep them alive, providing for medical needs, preventing escape, and preventing them from identifying you when they escape or are released? That sounds like a very difficult thing to sustain over a month. But 1) I am exceptionally lazy and 2) who knows? Maybe LE has been in negotiations for a while.

Maybe not a 'ransom' abduction... maybe it was a 'crime-of-opportunity' and the 'fortunate individual', after some time of whatever-it-is they may be doing, might release BT. I doubt that, of course, 'identifiable' as it were.

RT's lawyer mentioned something about they're (I guess he and RT and/or BT's family) attempting to get information.... from who(m)/how?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Has anyone taken a look at the above link posted @gsleuth? It provides a great birds eye view of the path BT might have taken from the rock formations to where the truck and RV was parked. Really helps understand the terrain.

I created that image. ;-)

 

[Dawookie]

Oddly there are hardly any on 40 Caltrans CCTV Map

There's a cam in Bullhead but it's likely facing the wrong direction (163 & casino Cameras)

Yeah it's odd there are none on the 40 considering it's a major route but then again there's only a handful of exits between Barstow and Needles so maybe they figured they don't need them

 

[Kapua]

I created that image. ;-)

Wonderful, thank you! I wanted to take a virtual walk, because, like I posted a few pages ago, there is no way I am going out there in the heat of summer. I send huge thanks to all of the volunteers and LE personnel who did go out there and search for BT for 10 days. You are all rock stars, IMHO.

This will give everyone on the thread a good idea of the size of the roads as well as the terrain.

Personally, I don't find the area interesting enough to get out of a nice, air-conditioned truck and go for a walk of any length, but that's me. You will find me on the coast, where the air is cool and the scenery is spectacular. Color me blessed!

MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

Maybe not a 'ransom' abduction... maybe it was a 'crime-of-opportunity' and the 'fortunate individual', after some time of whatever-it-is they may be doing, might release BT. I doubt that, of course, 'identifiable' as it were.

RT's lawyer mentioned something about they're (I guess he and RT and/or BT's family) attempting to get information.... from who(m)/how?

Perhaps RT owed somebody money.

Perhaps RT has been asked to do a “favor” and he didn’t do it. Or Barbara found out and they argued over it.

Without an eyewitness or physical proof or evidence - I hope Barbara can be found, but there’s a lot of unknowns with suspicion towards RT.

 

[PaulaDC]

Not really much, police are typically in cities/towns. Sheriffs usually cover the municipality around the city, ie. the county. It does vary though.

Sheriffs are also elected officials and usually also do more of the PR, community work, warrants, etc.

Q: What Is the Difference Between a Deputy Sheriff and a Police Officer? | ZipRecruiter

 

[kay74]

Wonderful, thank you! I wanted to take a virtual walk, because, like I posted a few pages ago, there is no way I am going out there in the heat of summer. I send huge thanks to all of the volunteers and LE personnel who did go out there and search for BT for 10 days. You are all rock stars, IMHO.

This will give everyone on the thread a good idea of the size of the roads as well as the terrain.

Personally, I don't find the area interesting enough to get out of a nice, air-conditioned truck and go for a walk of any length, but that's me. You will find me on the coast, where the air is cool and the scenery is spectacular. Color me blessed!

MOO

BBM That's me too!

 

[MsBetsy]

With respect, not sure the Detective would want you to share this info with the public?

Your friend,
Roses

Amateur opinion and speculation

I'm sure LE is aware that any information they share with the family can become public.
When it is evidence that is important to the investigation they generally will not share that information with the family. Imo

 

[PaulaDC]

^^^Bringing this forward as it's a valid observation.

There's a vacuum of silence around the time they would have arrived at the Kelbaker rd. location.
Someone mentioned in the previous thread that cars pass by every few minutes.
So maybe someone did see him , or both of them and just hasn't realized it was significant now ?

But unless someone else pulls over by the road in the same spot (it was mentioned there's room for more than one vehicle on the side of the road there), once you're out of your car and hiking--- would you run into anyone else ?
Or is it isolated after you walk away from the road ?

Also he said he took a picture, turned around and she was gone. The picture shot should be identifiable and search dogs or LE should have been able to conclude if she had actually been in the area at all. Imo

 

[Leney]

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Is it not possible that she was wearing a shirt, shorts/jeans, then became a bit hot and took those articles off while hiking ?

 

[Leney]

If there is a pic of her in the bra and undies and was taken that day, I want to see that one! I don't want to see a 2 year old photo. And my reason being....
maybe she was never in that outfit. JMO but I think the pictures taken that day at that site (if we believe what le told our VI) was taken in the clothes she left home in. And they wouldn't use those pics because it doesn't match what RT said she was wearing that day.

I could be mistaken, as it does appear to be a line of lace around the top edge of the top.
Whether one wishes to call it a bikini or underwear is debatable.
Some will consider a bikini to look more like underwear and vice versa.

 

[MsBetsy]

If the source for stating that the photo was taken in 2017 is the date on the metadata, that is not correct. That date relates to the device, not the photo.

I thought, though I may be wrong, that the VI had confirmed that the photo was taken on the day Barbara went missing. I don't mean in very recent posts, but earlier, so I may have misremembered.

I think earlier he speculated that Robert had found a picture of Barbara wearing something similar to what she had on that day and that's the picture that was used for the missing persons poster.
Isn't the hat a different color? Wasn't she described as wearing a white hat?
Imo

 

[LietKynes]

Is it not possible that she was wearing a shirt, shorts/jeans, then became a bit hot and took those articles off while hiking ?

That's certainly possible. ^^^

The very last people to have seen her besides RT would've been the employees at the dog kennel.
Doubt she had a bikini on to drop the dog off.
So what do they say she was wearing ?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm (blue text)

BBM

As far as I know, this has not been established. Someone on this forum thought that the metadata indicated that, but it turned out that particular date in the metadata merely implied something else had apparently been set up two years ago and that that picture had probably been taken since then. I can add some links if I find them soon.

ETA: @Cherwell just supplied the link to @ChuckMaureen's explanation, so I don't need to hunt around for links:




As far as I can tell, we don't know when the photo of BT in the red hat and black bikini-type top was taken, though given that metadata, it was probably taken within the last two years.

I agree that it would be good to have a description of the boots. JMO

That isn't necessarily true but it is a reasonable assumption.

As an example, a photo could have been taken 10 years ago and its file edited in the current year using software capable of embedding an ICC Profile (that was created/timestamped 1 year ago).

An ICC Profile is part of a color management process applicable to media devices and images. It is used to ensure color accuracy by 'translating' color information so that colors in an image are accurately displayed or printed. A profile may be embedded in an image file and/or applied externally via a device, such as a PC desktop display, a printer or a scanner.

The color management process can seem quite complex but it is a vital aspect if color accuracy is important. More at the link: about icc colour profiles, icc profiles explained | colourmanagement.net