Discussion in '2000's Missing' started by Cubby, Jul 25, 2010.
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<snipped respectfully from Cloudajo>
Thanks. So if the housekeeper came every other Monday, I wonder if she was not originally scheduled to come Monday, July 27th, but Bob called her and told her to come since Fontelle was arriving back that Wednesday. If the SIL didn't know she was coming, he could have thought nobody would be around when he went back to do a final check (I'm just speculating here). As it is, if he left at 2:40 and got back at 3:30, and the housekeeper had been waiting there for a time (rumor it was for 30 minutes), that doesn't leave very much time for someone to go to Bob's and lure him away or do something to him at the house and remove him.
This is something that has been nagging at me. We all know about the "window of opportunity". If the SIL left Bob at 2:40 pm, the housekeeper arrived at 3:00pm(exact time not verified) and waited until 3:30pm when the SIL returned and let them in, then (sorry for the run-on sentence) that leaves a 20 minute window for an unknown assailant to do the deed. This is VERSUS the 10:00am phonecall lto Bob and the SIL is there, until 2:40pm when SIL leaves and checks out with a receipt at Home Depot at 3:04pm and then returns to let the housekeeper in.Opportunity of 20 minutes versus 4 hours and 40 minutes.
A strange vehicle pulling up to a house in that closeknit neighborhood, or a well-recognized vehicle pulled back into the second parking spot by the garage. Just thinking aloud, here...
"Close knit neighborhood"? Sheesh. At 3:00 on a Monday afternoon, no one saw anything. The living areas of most of the houses are in the back, not the front. Most of those neighbors would not know if a vehicle was strange or not. Almost all of them did not even know Bob had gotten married until the news vans showed up to do the story. Some of them told me Georgia had died about a week after she died. I knew the minute she died and when they were taking her body away. Close knit - crap!
I am about to write about Bob's children. I will write what I know as well as what I have been told. I do not like this part because I know them. But, for the sake of this board and this case, I will. This is especially true since the police have no interest in what I have to say.
Robbie: I don't know anything. I have met her a few times. I have never really talked to her. I have seen her truck parked in front of Bob's house a few times at various occasions (Christmas, Father's Day, Mother's Day, etc.). I can not confirm or deny anything you may have heard or read about her.
I guess that was a poor choice of words...I meant the houses are fairly close together.
I tried not to include duplicate stories but some were picked up by more than one source. If I missed any - please add!
Cloudajo - would you mind bringing over your latest timeline?
P: I know a little about P. Several years ago, Bob asked me to clean up P's car and sell it for her. She had a sedan and needed a minivan for her scooter. She was not able to get around as well. She needed a minivan to load the scooter in and out of. I was happy to do it. While cleaning out the car, I found several past due notices under the seat. I did not open them. I just gave them to Bob and asked if he knew about them. He said he did and we just went on.
After that, Bob decided to get himself a minivan. He had a Camry. He felt he needed something that would be easier to get Georgia in and out of for doctor's appointments. He bought a new minivan. He hated it. He only had it for a couple of weeks. So, it left. A little bit later, P came over driving it. I am guessing he gave or sold it to her because the one she had was old and unreliable. Since he had purchased it, he could not take it back to the dealer. Either way, she had the new van from him.
I did hear that a long time ago, P's ex-husband borrowed around $50,000, and never paid it back. I am guessing that was why he is her ex-husband. I would have dumped him after that as well. Apparently, Bob was willing to give money to his children and their spouses when in need.
P seemed to be a little closer to Bob than R, but not as much as J.
Sorry I didnt know how to bring something from Part 1 so I copied:
At the point of his disappearance, Fontelle had little to gain. Bob had already said he was going to put everything in both their names and add her to his stuff when she returned from MO to CA. Yes, he told me that. Why in the world would she have anything to do with his disappearance before he did all that. If she was going to do anything, would it not be after all the papers were signed and she would legally be entitled to it. That would just be dumb. Fontelle is NOT a dumb lady. You see what she is going through now.
From what I've gathered from Georgia's trust for her daughters..Bob did not have the right to put everything in both his and Fontelle's names. I really don't think Fontelle had anything to do with the disappearance of Bob. I feel sorry for her. But, in the interest of everyone involved, wouldn't it be best for her to go back to her family where they can take care of her and let the courts figure out what would be best?
Fontelle may not have a right to Georgia's stuff if there is a trust involved. But, she does have a right to Bob's since she was his widow. If it is not in Georgia's trust, Bob can do whatever he likes. I do not know about the trusts and estates and stuff, so I can not say what he was or was not entitled to do.
You may be willing to give up and go home, but I certainly would not. Fontelle apparently does not either. Running away does not seem to be her style. I would wait until it was all settled before I did anything. I was taught not to give up what you do not have to.
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Here is the Timeline Fairy was asking for:
Cloudajo posted a good timeline.
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J; J was always nice to us. She knew about the hairdresser and that Bob had been giving her money. She had asked me to watch the house and let her know whenever the hairdresser came over. I did. Also, I told Bob about it and I still did it. If I were in her situation, I would have done the same thing. She was worried he was being taken advantage of, as we all were. Otherwise, she was always a good neighbor and a good friend.
She came over about once a week or so. Probably checking on Bob, making sure he was okay. This was after Georgia had passed away, so he was alone. I never went over when she was there. I figured it was father/daughter time. I did not want to intrude. I also never asked Bob about her. It was none of my business. If he wanted to talk about it, he would.
Her son who lived around the corner also would come over now and then. His wife would make stuff for him for dinner. They seemed really close. Bob was proud of him. I liked him as well. I did not know him well, but he seemed all right to me.
There you have it. That is what I know about Bob's daughters. There is nothing amazing or scary about them. They had their ups and downs as any parent-child relationship does. I can no speak to what they said on the IS posts or in the paper. They would have to do that for themselves.
I am sad that J stopped talking to me or returning my calls after last August. I thought she would keep me informed as to what is going on. I have been told they are not talking to any of the police or press about the case. I guess they just got burned out on it and don't want to discuss it any more. I don't know. He was my friend and I still will not let go. I will talk to anyone and everyone who will listen.
Thanks for your patience.
Thank you...Bob needs a voice.
Thank you for sharing.
SNIPPED from Cloudajo's timeline:
Mon, July 27, 2009
Weather: Low temp: 68.5 F, high temp: 91.4 F, avg: 78.2 F; precipitation: 0.0
~6:00AM – Sunrise in CA
9:30AM – Bob’s son-in-law JM arrives at Bob’s house.
10:00AM – Per officials, there was a phone call to Bob, which is the last time anyone other than SIL JM verified he was at the house. (Note: was this the housekeeper?)
Morning/Time? - Bob talked to the housekeeper on the phone and told her to come.
Morning/Time? – Hearsay: SIL JM went to CVS Pharmacy in Placentia. He purchased soda and paper plates. We don’t know whether he stopped at CVS on the way to Bob’s before 9:30AM, or whether he left Bob’s house in the AM, went to CVS, then returned to Bob’s house. (Note: There is a CVS Pharmacy on East Yorba Linda Boulevard, which is a 5 min drive from Bob’s house.)
~11:00AM-12:00? – Daughter PB says she called her father and heard her BIL say he was going to the hardware store, and her father “responded in a favorable way.” (ref IS and since removed)
~2:40PM – SIL JM left Bob’s house and went to Home Depot.
~2:55PM? – SIL JM arrived at Home Depot. (Note: Unknown which Home Depot JM went to. There is a Home Depot at 601 S Placentia Ave, Fullerton, CA 92831-5199. Distance is only 2.7 miles from Bob’s address in Placentia, about a 6-minute drive. There is another Home Depot located at 2455 E Imperial Hwy, Brea, CA 92821-6114. Distance from Bob’s address in Placentia is 2.8 miles, about a 7-minute drive.)
The phonecall PB says she placed to her dad has always bothered me.
PB posted that between 11am - 12 noon on July 27, 2009 she was on the phone with her father and heard the SIL state he was going to the hardware store. Yet we now know the SIL did not go to the hardware store until 3-4 hours later.
JM also gave an earlier time for her father's disappearance right after Mr. Harrod went missing.
JM states her father disappears around noon or 1 pm.
Reporter: “Julie says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back…”
JM: “My dad was gone.”
Reporter: “What time?”
JM: “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?”
I think the key point as you mentioned is the window of opportunity - a ~20 minute window vs a 4 hour and 40 minute window for someone to do something to Bob and remove him from the house without being noticed.
As we know, Bob had scheduled the housekeeper and would have been expecting her, so I don't think he would have left willingly in that ~20 minutes.
The youngest daughter (who was married to SIL) posted back in Aug 09 on IS that Bob pushed them away around Christmas in 08, that it hurt them, and that the distance he created was selfish. She mentioned the purchase of lavish gifts for the barber, and said they tried to warn him of her taking advantage of him, but he brushed it off. She posted he did not even acknowledge his own grandson and great grandchildren. She posted that is what happened until they went down to meet Fontelle and Bob wanted us to be an instant family again. That the difficult situation of losing their mother and then Bob pushing them away was insane. She posted as if our emotions can be shut down and then turned back on in a snap.
Emotions were clearly running high when Bob went missing, not only about how Bob was spending his money but perhaps a perceived slight of their son (Bobs grandson), who was apparently very close to Bob. A person who typically keeps feelings inside, is helpful, and non-confrontational may have exploded after a buildup of events over many months, say if a perceived harsh comment was made the morning after an argument with the daughters about finances the previous evening.
Just something to consider
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