GUILTY CA - Forrest Hayes, 51, dies of heroin OD on yacht, Santa Cruz, 23 Nov 2013

[possumheart]

Shades of victim shaming of a bloke. I'm not used to seeing all of those words in the same sentence.

 

[Ausgirl]

I don't think it's improper, though, to wonder how much of a "victim" this man was, in light of the hooker with the self-advertised serious heroin problem being hired for sex with him on his boat *multiple* times, etc. I think he was a mainly a victim of own excesses, personally.

The real victims in this case, IMO, are his poor wife and kids.

 

[Tugela]

I don't think that there is anything complicated about this case. He had an escort over and did drugs with her, he ODed and she left. It happens and addicts do this all the time. If she called for help she would probably have been dinged with all sorts of charges that would have sent her to prison for a long time, so she just left hoping that no one would connect her. It is not as though he was a friend or anything, he was just a client.

She may be callous, but I don't think it is murder. He made his own bed, he wasn't forced to do it, and he died.

In situations like this the law needs to change and have a good Samaritan clause when these sorts of accidental ODs happen, so people are not left to die.

 

[daisydomino]

I don't think that there is anything complicated about this case. He had an escort over and did drugs with her, he ODed and she left. It happens and addicts do this all the time. If she called for help she would probably have been dinged with all sorts of charges that would have sent her to prison for a long time, so she just left hoping that no one would connect her. It is not as though he was a friend or anything, he was just a client.

She may be callous, but I don't think it is murder. He made his own bed, he wasn't forced to do it, and he died.

In situations like this the law needs to change and have a good Samaritan clause when these sorts of accidental ODs happen, so people are not left to die.

BBM: that's a good idea. Drug use and prostitution are arguably usually victimless crimes. A situation like this one is an example: consenting adults freely choosing to engage in high risk behavior. She should have called 911. She should have told somebody. It will be interesting to hear what she has to say.

I feel terrible for his family.

 

[i.b.nora]

Hadn't thought about this case for awhile until I noticed the recent posts.

Going back, I see this article from a Monday, October 20th hearing was overlooked:

Coroner ruled Google exec's death an accident, says public defender in case
By DOUG LONGHINI, GREG FISHER
CBS NEWS
October 21, 2014, 1:03 PM

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”SANTA CRUZ, Calif. - The Santa Cruz County Coroner has ruled the death of Google executive Forrest Hayes an accident, defense attorneys for Alix Tichelman, the heroin-addicted prostitute accused of manslaughter in the case, said Monday.

"At the end of the day there are no heroes here nor are there any demons. It's a sad case that has deeply affected two families but it was an accident," said Public Defender Larry Biggam."

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""The Santa Cruz County Coroner after conducting the autopsy and reviewing the boat video, concluded that the manner of death was an accident," revealed Biggam for the first time.

At the hearing, attorneys filed discovery motions seeking electronic records belonging to Hayes. Tichelman's attorneys said they would like to review more information from Hayes' total of eleven cell phones and computers. In addition, they told reporters they want the SCPD to release at least 48 hours of videotape from the yacht before Hayes' death was captured on tape."​

Much more... (click on bold red title above)

 

[i.b.nora]

The 'eversnark' link posted above actually ultimately leads to this interesting MSM article at the Santa Cruz Sentinel:

Alleged 'harbor hooker' accused in Google exec's death wants more video from prosecutors, police
Santa Cruz Sentinel
By Calvin Men Santa Cruz Sentinel
POSTED: 12/09/14, 11:24 AM PST

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"Christensen, one of three attorneys for 27-year-old Tichelman, was granted a motion Friday by Santa Cruz County Judge Timothy Volkmann to compel prosecutors and Santa Cruz police investigators to turn over further evidence in the case."

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"Volkmann ordered the evidence be presented within 60 to 75 days. He also set a date of Feb. 23 to discuss the findings and tentatively set a preliminary hearing date.

Among the evidence defense attorneys expect is video surveillance in the five months before Hayes' death in November 2013.

"The evidence we're missing is more related to Forrest Hayes, who he is, what's his character, his habits, his compulsions," Larry Biggam, one of Tichelman's attorneys, said to a throng of reporters outside of court. "I think that evidence is relevant to explain why he was on the boat, why there were drugs present and why he was shooting heroin with a young woman.""​

More...

 

[daisydomino]

The 'eversnark' link posted above actually ultimately leads to this interesting MSM article at the Santa Cruz Sentinel:

Alleged 'harbor hooker' accused in Google exec's death wants more video from prosecutors, police
Santa Cruz Sentinel
By Calvin Men Santa Cruz Sentinel
POSTED: 12/09/14, 11:24 AM PST

snips

"Christensen, one of three attorneys for 27-year-old Tichelman, was granted a motion Friday by Santa Cruz County Judge Timothy Volkmann to compel prosecutors and Santa Cruz police investigators to turn over further evidence in the case."

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"Volkmann ordered the evidence be presented within 60 to 75 days. He also set a date of Feb. 23 to discuss the findings and tentatively set a preliminary hearing date.

Among the evidence defense attorneys expect is video surveillance in the five months before Hayes' death in November 2013.

"The evidence we're missing is more related to Forrest Hayes, who he is, what's his character, his habits, his compulsions," Larry Biggam, one of Tichelman's attorneys, said to a throng of reporters outside of court. "I think that evidence is relevant to explain why he was on the boat, why there were drugs present and why he was shooting heroin with a young woman.""​

More...

Yes, 'eversnark' is a news aggregator, like an RSS reader, that has a section for main stream media Alix Tichelman news.

So, sounds like it's going to be a blame-the-dead-guy defense. I can kind of understand it in this case though, since he hired her. I think it is relevant to know if he was doing heroin in previous months. I'm really curious to read other opinions.

 

[i.b.nora]

48 Hours on CBS is doing this story on Saturday January 24, 2015.

"Kiss of Death and the Google Executive"

 

[daisydomino]

48 Hours on CBS is doing this story on Saturday January 24, 2015.

"Kiss of Death and the Google Executive"

CBS has a preview:
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/sneak-peek-kiss-of-death-and-the-google-exec/

 

[Snoods]

48 Hours on CBS is doing this story on Saturday January 24, 2015.

"Kiss of Death and the Google Executive"

Ohh thanks for the heads up i.b.nora! I'll be watching this one for sure, this case really interests me for some reason.

P.S. Please come home thanks button, the kids and I miss you...

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

'He seemed nervous... but he went along with it': Police chief describes step-by-step detail of unseen video that shows 'high-end escort inject father-of-five Google exec with lethal heroin overdose' aboard luxury yacht

Alex Tichelman, 26, 'injected father-of-five Forrest Hayes, 51, with heroin in November 2013 but did nothing when he had a reaction to the drug'

Santa Cruz deputy Steve Clark reveals how 'shocking' it was finding video

Describes how Tichelman and Hayes 'hug, talk, drink and prepare drugs before Hayes falls into lethal overdose'

Hayes, he said, seemed 'nervous, uncertain, but he's going along with it'

Tichelman appearing in court on Feb 23, pleading guilty to manslaughter and drugs charges

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thal-heroin-overdose-aboard-luxury-yacht.html

 

[i.b.nora]

Supporters rally for accused 'call girl killer' Alix Tichelman
By Phil Gomez, KSBW News Team
Published On: Feb 23 2015 05:10:59 PM PST

"SANTA CRUZ, Calif. -
Alix Tichelman, the woman described as a "harbor hooker" and "call girl killer," was back in a Santa Cruz courtroom Monday.

She is facing manslaughter charges for the death of a Google executive who died from a heroin overdose on his private yacht in the Santa Cruz harbor."

"back in court on Monday for a discovery hearing, where piles of evidence seized by police was turned over to her defense attorneys.

"It's an incredible amount, by far much more I would encounter in a typical case," defense attorney Athena Reis said."

"On Monday a judge scheduled Tichelman's preliminary hearing to begin April 13.

"We're looking forward to the preliminary examination. It's an opportunity to counter the police department's selection and slanted version of the investigation," defense attorney Larry Biggam said."

"Everything we've reviewed confirms that Forrest Hayes wanted to do heroin on that night and that he died as a result. Ms. Tichelman expected nothing but pleasure as a result of consensual and mutual drug use," Reis said."​

http://m.ksbw.com/news/supporters-rally-for-accused-call-girl-killer-alix-tichelman/31436296

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Prostitute pleads guilty in heroin overdose death of married Google exec on his yacht and is sentenced to six years

Alix Tichelman, 27, was sentenced to six years in prison in Santa Cruz, California

Tichelman injected Forrest Timothy Hayes with heroin in November 2013 then left without seeking help when he passed out on the yacht

Hayes had hired Tichelman several times before and they were doing drugs and having sex the night he died

Married father-of-five Forrest Hayes, 51, had just taken up a job at the top secret Google X office

Surveillance video from inside the luxury boat showed Hayes 'suffering medical complications' - but Tichelman not helping him or calling 911

Instead, she gathered her stuff, stepped over him to finish her glass of wine and then left the boat - pulling a window blind down to conceal his body


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...overdose-death-Google-exec.html#ixzz3adP6O72l

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20170406/NEWS/170409778

Alix Catherine Tichelman, the Santa Cruz Harbor Hooker, is destined for deportation to her native Canada, a U.S. Immigration Court judge ordered Thursday.

Tichelman, 29, was in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, in Marysville in Yuba County on Thursday night. It is unclear when Tichelman will be removed from the U.S.

Tichelman was convicted in 2015 for giving Google executive Forrest Hayes a deadly heroin dose aboard his Santa Cruz yacht Nov. 23, 2013.

 

[LadyL]

ugh, we don't want her back

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20170406/NEWS/170409778

Alix Catherine Tichelman, the Santa Cruz Harbor Hooker, is destined for deportation to her native Canada, a U.S. Immigration Court judge ordered Thursday.

Tichelman, 29, was in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, in Marysville in Yuba County on Thursday night. It is unclear when Tichelman will be removed from the U.S.

Tichelman was convicted in 2015 for giving Google executive Forrest Hayes a deadly heroin dose aboard his Santa Cruz yacht Nov. 23, 2013.

 

[SophieRose]

She has dual citizenship - US and Canada. As I remember her family lives in Folsom CA.

ttp://www.santacruzsentinel.com/general-news/20170403/ice-detains-alix-tichelman-after-her-release-from-santa-cruz-jail?source=most_viewed

“A month after she was sentenced in 2015, ICE sent a hold for Ms. Tichelman. On March 27 of this year, ICE requested we detain her for 24 hours longer than her sentence,” said Santa Cruz County Sheriff Sgt. Chris Clark.

Pursuant to the California TRUST Act, the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office refused to hold Tichelman any longer than her sentence dictated. The TRUST Act, which went into affect on Jan. 1, 2014, prohibits law enforcement from detaining an individual on the basis of immigration status.

Pursuant to the California TRUTH Act, the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office notified Tichelman and her attorney that ICE had requested the hold and intended to detain her. The TRUTH Act, which went into affect on Jan. 1, 2017, requires local law enforcement agency to provide notification to the individual and their attorney if that agency provides ICE with notification of an individual’s release date and time.

 

[DaisyChains]

Murph of MJQ, is this you?!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Murph of MJQ, is this you?!

????????

 

[DaisyChains]

????????

Wondering if he is someone i know from Atlanta. A club owner.

I hesitate to say this, but I know Alix's ex Warren who is now in prison for not calling 911 in his junk induced haze when a girl overdosed while with him. We used to play music together for a few months AFTER he got clean. He has buckled down and is serving his time for his poor decisions while addicted to that demon that is heroin - rightfully so. Supposedly he got into the drug b/c Alix introduced it to him first. Or so she claimed on the comments on the article about his incarceration in the creative loafing. She seems fractured on an even deeper level than drug abuse though. There is a huge character flaw with her. She was adopted so who knows what kind of genetic issues her birth parents might have passed onto her as far as mental disorders are concerned. Can't deny heroin really does make the worst of the best people. Still, her statement on social media about "finally finding people to talk about murder with etc" is kind of strange, don't you think? I don't believe she was a websleuther like us, either.

I met Warren once before he got off smack at a show in ATL and was so creeped out I left the bar my friends were performing at. Anyone in their right mind would have stayed away from him at that point in time and to be with a junkie is a death wish just as anyone in their right mind would stay away from Alix. Then he got clean and was a freaking angel. That goes to show you that this drug RUINS the lives of everyone involved. You have to have either zero common sense or a death wish to associate with a heroin addict. My heart goes out to all who have lost and are losing their loved ones to this drug. It is terrible.

May those who deal this drug be found and prosecuted fully. Take this crap off our streets. Get it away from our kids.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Wow, Daisy......interesting post & thank you for sharing. I've never been around anyone that was in the throws of a her*in addiction--what are they like & what do they do.....if you don't mind? I'm curious about their personality symptomology.

Yes, and this epidemic is the scourge of our society. Frightening & sad.