Casey's Defense Team Keeps Attacking The Science of the State's Case.

[Phumi]

I've seen several interviews with jurors post-verdict where they explain that the science was confusing or the experts cancelled each other out so they disregarded the scientific testimony. I think that may happen here as well.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I remembered a friend brought some of Caylee's swim gear back to the Anthonys, but am fuzzy on the timing of when Caylee left that stuff at this Christopher's or how he ended up with it. Every time I have to think about Caylee's little bathing suits my anguish for Justice increases. Does the defense really want to bring this up?

Yes, the minute they show that little bathing suit to the jury (if they offer it into evidence)that will be it for the jury.

 

[spyhouston]

LDB and JA have SO much credibility. No matter the subject, they always seem to have the ability to lay out the evidence in such a clear, concise, understandable manner. I'm not very worried about what a jury will decide. The big question for me is penalty. But regardless of the sentence, when it's all over, ICA isn't going home.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

i take my statement back..
actually...the more i think about it, it was the hair with the death band that sealed the deal for me..
i originally thought casey sold caylee..or she owed a drug debt or something.
but when i heard on NG that they found a hair with root banding in the trunk..that + the smell combined was what made me think casey killed caylee..
so yeah.. i think that will be important.. but imo, JB will come along and confuse the subject. lucky for the jury, he's easy to tune out.. when he talks, all i hear is "blah blah blah - apples & oranges"

 

[CarolinaMoon]

It is very important for the State to tie the Anthony home to the car, the car to Casey, and Casey to the site where the remains were found. If yout knock the car out, the link is broken.

There is abundant evidence to show that there was a body in the trunk as the wonderful posters above have pointed out. Some of the scientific evidence that the judge permits is enough.

The defense will try to confuse the jury as they tried to confuse the judge with their Frye Ananlysis chart. It may work on some jury members, hopefully not all. Baez' cross of the State witnesses may confuse and be as boring and nutsy as what he has been doing at the Frye hearings.

However, let's remember our un-caped hero, Jeff Ashton who manages to cut the "junk" down to reality in a short and sweet manner. In the hearings, he only used what information he has in his arsenal to debunk the Frye issues. He didn't even bother with the fabric softener, Febreze, Velveeta, empty bologna packaging, empty pizza box, wet bathing suit, etc.

Baez made the mistake of firing most, if not all, his bullets in the hearings, whether they pertained to Frye or not. He laid down too many cards in a poker game where he didn't have to show them.

Watch for Ashton to be a proverbial bull-dog at trial time. He gets the last whack at the defense experts!

I guess the best example of this that I can give is when Ashton questioned Dr. Logan. He made no overt attempt to impeach the witness' credibility (except that he's not an expert the judge would allow to testify to decomp at trial). Just the mention of the chapter in the American Acadamy of Science's report on "fraud" was enough to make Logan stutter and sputter. At trial time, if Logan testifies, he knows he will be fully impeached on his scientific credibility.

After saying that, I believe there is enough circumstantial evidence for the State to get a conviction, but they don't need to leave out the science. It is what it is.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I think all it's going to take is the interview with GA saying it smelled like human decomp, LE saying the same, the tow yard guy, and even CA's "dead body in the damn car" for the jury to KNOW there WAS a dead body in the car and with the hair to KNOW that it was Caylee. They have plenty of people saying ICA was driving the car during that time and her texting Amy about the dead squirrels.

Between that and 31 days and the pics during the 31 days, IMO she is toast.

 

[bananarama]

I voted yes. I think there is enough circumstantial evidence to convict. The duct tape and layman's description of the smell in the trunk will seal the deal.
Regarding confusing the jury with scientific evidence.....I think the SAs know how to question their experts in a way that will be short, sweet, and direct to the point, as we all witnessed when Dr. Vass was testifying. When the DT crosses, they will try to confuse the jury, which will only convince them that the prosecutor's theory has to be correct.

 

[Steely Dan]

Yes, as Dr. Vass suggested, most people don't need a scientific report to know the smell of a skunk. Some of this has got to come down to what is reasonable. The items from the remains site are all from the Anthony home. Casey's actions are not even close to reasonable. All her actions for years have been selfish choices, not troubled with remorse or guilt, able to keep stealing and lying. Plus, she was planning on fleeing. BTW, saying PTSD is just nonsense in this case.

I do hope some of the science will be allowed in because it crucially fits in with the whole story, and supports the fact that only one person could've killed beautiful Caylee Marie.

I have no problem with the simple science being let in. The stuff people see on CSI and such shows. My concern is they will try to use too much when they don't have to. All it takes is one juror to be confused enough by the defense to keep KC from being convicted. The science in the OP article is too new and it's unnecessary for a conviction. JMO

Very interesting POV SD - I think in some ways the State wants to present this science to make up for what they don't have - like DNA and finger prints, things that juries have come to expect - things that would place ICA at the scene of the crime.

I also think that Jeff Ashton is comfortable enough with the science to tie it up with a bow to insure ICA never walks free with either Life w/o parole or the DP. The State must know that all this science is so far over JB's head that the DT just won't get it, ever, and that will help the State unless JB manages to completely confuse the jury.

My concern is that they will try to use too much of the science when they don't need to. IMO, the state could wrap up it's case within three days. Don't give the jurors too much to think about.

I voted yes, the jury would convict her without it. Unless the jury are all rocket scientists. the explanation of the "science" will only cause confusion and they will spend more effort on what they want to understand. Like stated upthread ~ if someone states they smelled a skunk people take their word for it. *no reason to call in an odor specialist, to quantity the % of skunk stank. Short and sweet, no great detail... Then ICA spends the rest of her days in JAIL!

If I'm reading that correctly then you agree with my post just above this one.

A tiny bathing suit...are you kidding me?

There's a million people remembering what they subjected their bathing suit to without any serious choloform being made. You and I know about wet bathing suits.

The Defense keeps twisting all reality. Sometimes I fear I drank the Kool Aid because their attempts seem so unreal and silly to be happening in a Court of Law.

I agree. Chlorine is not chloroform but to a less savvy juror it could make sense that it is. Leave all of that out and there is no chance of that happening.

Bold mine.

I agree with you ......as it relates to the air samples.

Whilst I believe Dr Vass's work on odour signature to be based on a sound scientific basis, he is one of only a few people worldwide researching this field. He is the main pioneer of a little studied and still fairly taboo area.

Can you imagine Baez no longer being constrained by the rules of a Frye hearing. :banghead: How many days could he subject the jury to Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry, plume flows, overlapping compounds, aerobic/anerobic environments........... :crazy: The crux of Dr Vass's testimony is that in his opinion the compounds detected from the air in the trunk are consistent with a decompositional event. But he's not IIRC going so far as to claim there is no other explanation. His testimony imo neither makes or breaks this case. The State have other compelling and less complicated evidence to demonstrate that a dead body was in that trunk. The jury will get it.

Dr Vass can certainly still opine on the chloroform level and whether two dead squirrels crawled up into her engine. :floorlaugh: And who could argue his qualifications when it comes to the smell of human decomposition. :seeya:

Good post.

It's possible the state is calling witness' it has no intention of using to keep JB distracted enough to keep him from thinking about the real evidence that will convict KC. JMO

The bottom line as I see it is to just keep it simple. Her statements about working at Universal being a lie, Zanny the nanny being a lie, the statements made about the decomp smell by GA during his interview (IIRC, he says it's a smell you'll never forget.).Cindy's conflicting stories that are all recorded on TV appearances and news broadcasts. The fight neighbors and LA talk about happening. DC looking for the body in an area veryclose to the actual location are more than enough for me to believe she'd be convicted. I don't give a crap if she gets the DP as long as she gets life without parole.

 

[shotzie]

I voted Yes,
31 days
Cindy, George and LE saying smelled like decomp
Blanket, Laundry bags from a's home
DUCT TAPE over Caylee's skull. She is so Guilty

 

[USARDOG]

Had to vote no because removing all scientific evidence also means removing the DNA evidence that proves the skeletal remains recovered were that of Caylee Marie Anthony. Without the DNA evidence the defense would likely offer that Caylee was not deceased at all, but rather, still alive and a kidnap victim being held in what was it, PR... C and G would be very convincing on the stand that Caylee was still alive, in fact, they "know who has her and they are being watched at this very minute."

No, without any scientific evidence, i.e., the DNA, ICA walks is the way I see it.

 

[Solace]

Watch version 2 of the hearing on wftf MIDDLE part and you will see Baez refer to the stain as a "stigmata" type stain.

 

[comomx3]

I guess the Velveeta company isn't too happy with the suggestion that their product could play a role in a murder case. Velveeta isn't real cheese anyway, and it would have melted inside that package in the hot sun inside the hot trunk of that hot chick accused of murder. Wise up, JB, that excuse stinks.

Velvetta with mold on it does not smell. I know this. Don't ask me how. But I know this for a fact. :fence:

 

[Steely Dan]

Had to vote no because removing all scientific evidence also means removing the DNA evidence that proves the skeletal remains recovered were that of Caylee Marie Anthony. Without the DNA evidence the defense would likely offer that Caylee was not deceased at all, but rather, still alive and a kidnap victim being held in what was it, PR... C and G would be very convincing on the stand that Caylee was still alive, in fact, they "know who has her and they are being watched at this very minute."

No, without any scientific evidence, i.e., the DNA, ICA walks is the way I see it.

That's a very good point, but there is still all of the stuff linked to the house that was buried with the body. I think you're right though that would be necessary.

Watch version 2 of the hearing on wftf MIDDLE part and you will see Baez refer to the stain as a "stigmata" type stain.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Solace]

That's a very good point, but there is still all of the stuff linked to the house that was buried with the body. I think you're right though that would be necessary.



Do you have a link for that?

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

at 16:19....

 

[Gma Kat]

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Don't need no D@#! science.........

 

[sleutherontheside]

Well you know the old saying...where there is smoke there is fire.

JB and the entire DT have smoked up the entire case with their attacks on Science, Experts, GAS methods.

However, so many of their arguments DO not apply. Daubert vs. Frye

How many times have we heard the DT argue matters that have no bearing in Florida? HHJP has done his best to point out the difference between what is required, who carries the burden to prove, and what does / does not apply based on their case citation.

At the end of the day....they are left with far fewer legitimate arguments and that IMO explains their "nanny nanny boo boo" (no pun intended) attitude.

AL talked about her little "trick" to send an expert $100 for a "consult" just for the sole purpose of tying up an expert that the other side may need.

It does not go unnoticed that the DT called upon Nicholas Petraco to opine on the PM banding. He was never added to their final witness list.

Either NP had nothing good to share with the DT, or they retained him for the SOLE purpose of tying him up.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Here is Bill Sheaffer's report on today's hearing. He says it's all coming in, nothing Baez argued would convince anyone otherwise.

http://www.wftv.com/video/27482647/index.html

 

[noonie]

Yes, they will convict her because she looks guilty!!!!!!

 

[Curious Me]

Casey's PTSD (cough, cough) seems so minor when compared to the public's mass hysteria over the child's outline seen in the car trunk stain, and the terrible stench of death.

Blame it all on us, JB. It's not like we had anything to do with this crime that has caused many of us nightmares. We took notice when we heard about the duct tape, the heart shaped sticker, the choloform. We must all have a condition called JB Mass Hysteria.

I pictured thousands of people running out of stores screaming and pushing each other in hysteria.

 

[shgrbkr]

Well, if swimsuits closed up in a trunk, a plastic bag, or wherever, causes choroform to form, we would have been hearing about people all over the country passing out due to chloroform toxicity, no?