CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

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  1. Fred Hall

    Fred Hall New Member

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    I am discussing the actions of the officers during the shooting and the immediate aftermath. I see no evidence that EMTs did anything more than lift the driver from the ground at the mouth of the lane, where the officer(s) had placed her, into an ambulance. The shooting and whatever subsequent acts the driver was subject to were all committed by the two officers on the scene. The EMTs apparently did not arrive until the casualty's body had been mysteriously moved and are thus not implicated in any of what went on in the shooting aftermath.
     


  2. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    my love.jpg

    See this gorgeous man. That man is the love of my life and my soulmate. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes looking at him and wishing so bad that I could just hold him and see him just one more time. But that isn't going to happen. He died in 2007. His death was in the line of duty as a firefighter. You have no idea what he went thru and how he suffered before he died. You have no idea how his death devastated me, his mother, his children and the his crew. I will NEVER get over losing him. So much of me died that day with him.

    But hey, at least he wasn't a pr*ck, right?

    My current husband is a firefighter as are 2 of Bro-in-laws and my sis in law. My stepdaughter and her fiance are police officers. Most people have no idea what they go thru in the line of duty and the dangers they face. Our family has a long history of volunteering, even founding the local fire department and running it for 3 decades, with all volunteers and raising money for equipment by doing fundraisers.

    But yeah, I probably have no idea what I am talking about. I'm sure that someone who has never volunteered or served or put their life on the line is much better equipped to judge the situation than me or my family.

    Seriously, don't just critique from the safety of your home, get out there and be a first responder or a cop if you think it is so easy and you could such a better job.
     
  3. Fred Hall

    Fred Hall New Member

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    Your family sounds like great people and I don't believe that anyone here has criticized them or their professions. My concerns are in regard to the actions of the two officers involved in this specific case and do not apply to any other persons. I don't think that I need to be a police officer or an EMT to be able to ask meaningful questions about what happened during and after this shooting.
     
  4. Woodland

    Woodland Well-Known Member

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    Taxpayers having a say in the protocol, policy, conduct etc of the people they provide salaries to seems to be lost somewhere imo - 'it's all about me' is warranted to some degree, but imo, without taxpayers there is no 'me'. Imo, everything surrounding policy, procedure needs to return to the taxpayers as the front-line and be doled out from there.

    Seems to me policy, procedure etc started out as a team effort - money for services.
     
  5. Tawny

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    I respect first responders of all types more than I can convey, but I do question the actions of some sometimes. That isn't to say I think all of them are terrible people.

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  6. SwampMama

    SwampMama Insomniac Extraordinaire

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    <modsnip>We all come here with our own unique experiences and viewpoints. This is mine. So many people want to speak out and be the advocates for criminals like Mike Brown and the Jessica Hernandez so I make no apologies for being the advocate of the LE and first responders and speaking out for them. I can empathize with them. I am tired of the hate and assault on officers and while criminals are defended and honored.

    Do you understand what a person goes thru when they have to defend their life and kill a criminal who is threatening their life? I do.

    I know all too well what that does to a person, even in a situation where they had no choice because they were being shot at and had to shoot back or they would be killed. Even in a situation where killing a criminal is 100% justified, the officer who has to kill that criminal is emotionally devastated. They have ptsd and nightmares. They are haunted by what they had to do. Even if the killing is 100% legal, the office has to grapple with the emotional and moral conflict. I was a firsthand witness to the trauma such a person has to go thru. It was horrific.

    There are many studies on it. Here is an article written by a cop who had to kill some one with an excerpt that resonates with the emotional trauma they must deal with.

    http://www.tearsofacop.com/police/articles/aftergun.html

    Thoughts of suicide are common among officers who have killed. In fact, police officers have a very high suicide rate under normal conditions. Compound it with Post Shooting Trauma and the results can be phenomenal. This depression can become worse during holiday seasons. An officer who has killed sometimes starts to feel sorry for the family of the person he killed. He starts to dwell on the fact that there is someone missing. Someone's son, someone's father, or someone's husband. Though he is happy to be able to spend the holiday with his family, someone's family is feeling the loss he believes he caused. (11) I know. I was depressed the first Thanksgiving and Christmas following my incident. The man I killed would have killed me if he could have, but his family never did a thing to me. I grieved for them.


    This also happens with soldiers who were deployed and had to kill terrorist or enemies. They are just doing their job and defending innocent people but their PTSD is real and well documented for hundreds of years although it was called different name such as battle fatigue and shell shock, etc.

    Look, I feel we are all intelligent people here. We obviously are all here because we care. Please take the time to consider the human being behind the gun and what they go thru on a daily basis. Don't just dismiss them as heartless killers who gleefully pull the trigger and take pleasure in killing. Yes, there are some bad cops just as there are bad people in every profession. There are unfortunate shootings that happen. But the majority of cops are people just like us, with family they love, with emotions and most of all are simply humans.
     
  7. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    It is in all of the reports. I will go find it.
     
  8. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Taxpayer input into police policies and procedures usually end at the election of the Mayor, who is the boss to the Police Chief or with the elected Sheriff or with a citizen's review board, if the community has one. Politicians are elected and paid to do a job. Taxpayers have our own full-time jobs and families to focus on.



    JMO
     
  9. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi everyone !!

    Sounds like things are getting a bit touchy in here tonite, so let's stop personalizing posts and move on with the case at hand.

    Thanks.
     
  10. Fred Hall

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    The title of this thread currently reads "Jessica-Hernandez-17-killed-by-police-after-LEO-struck-by-stolen-car". It seems that no officers were struck or pinned by the stolen car. Will the title be updated to reflect that?
    ETA: The officer with the sprained ankle is quoted as saying this ---
     
  11. Fred Hall

    Fred Hall New Member

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    The officer's leg also was not broken, but sprained.
     
  12. Fred Hall

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    This indicates that the officer who sprained his ankle was not in front of the car. The angles of the shots through the corner of windshield into the dashboard and steering-wheel housing suggests that he was standing by the front wheel of the car when he fired.
     
  13. Fred Hall

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    Morrissey finishes with this gem ---
    This statement is hair-raising, and reads like a threat. Walter Scott would not have been shot 5 times in the back if he had simply complied, but that does not justify his killing, nor this one. Defense of life and limb is the only thing that excuses homicide, and these officers were not in danger, as they were standing beside the car when they decided to open fire. Nowhere in the decision letter does Morrissey explicitly admit this fact, although it is obvious from the testimony and the physical evidence.
     
  14. LonghornSpeakEasy

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    It looks to me like you're splitting hairs and pulling quotes from the DA's letter while ignoring others such as the following that more adequately explain the officer's position:


     
  15. LonghornSpeakEasy

    LonghornSpeakEasy Active Member

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    He had a fracture of his ankle, not a sprained ankle.

     
  16. Fred Hall

    Fred Hall New Member

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    Nowhere does it say that the officer was struck by the car.
     
  17. Fred Hall

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    As a layperson I can't really comment, but there seems to be terminological overlap between "sprain" and "fracture". Whatever the case, the officer's leg was not broken, and it was extremely dishonest for the DPD to report it as such.
     
  18. Fred Hall

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    The journalist who wrote this VICE article obviously didn't read the decision letter, as she repeats two widely repeated claims about the case that have proven to be false.
    The officer's leg was not broken and Morrissey admits that Hernandez's vehicle did not strike the officer.
     
  19. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    An avulsion fracture is basically a sprain. He rolled his ankle. He wasn't sandwiched between car and building.
     
  20. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    Is the full report available online?
     

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