Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

[Caramel]

Bradley County (Cleveland,TN) is a very motivated area and lots of people here wanted to be involved and no doubt the BCSO felt they had something to offer. If it were my child lost out of state I'd be thrilled that hometown forces tried to help, and if egos don't get in the way, I would think more professionals would always be welcome by an investigating agency.
I don't think incompetency was insinuated at all.

Incompetency has been more than insinuated on the Find Joe Keller Facebook page, but *perhaps* not by the BCS, himself. Does it make sense that there are pre-existing structures in place for activating inter-agency cooperation precisely to (among other things) prevent the emotions of otherwise structurally uninvolved law enforcement officers and their constituents from interfering with the methods and actions of investigation? Procedure is not ego, but adherence to procedure has motivated a lot of insinuation. _IMO_

 

[darring21]

Incompetency has been more than insinuated on the Find Joe Keller Facebook page, but *perhaps* not by the BCS, himself. Does it make sense that there are pre-existing structures in place for activating inter-agency cooperation precisely to (among other things) prevent the emotions of otherwise structurally uninvolved law enforcement officers and their constituents from interfering with the methods and actions of investigation? Procedure is not ego, but adherence to procedure has motivated a lot of insinuation. _IMO_

What about the Denise Theim case? Seems procedure and ego were one in the same and really hurt the investigation.

 

[Caramel]

What about the Denise Theim case? Seems procedure and ego were one in the same and really hurt the investigation.

I am not familiar with the case.

 

[darring21]

I am not familiar with the case.

From the Denise Theim thread:

The AUGC denounces in a statement that on April 27, 22 days after the disappearance, the investigations led the agents to conclude "that the maximal suspect of the events was the man who is now detained" but professional jealousy delayed his detention

The Unified Association of Civil Guards (AUGC) has reported today that "lack of coordination" and "jealousy" between the Guardia Civil and the National Police delayed the discovery of the body of American pilgrim Pikka Denise Thiem.

The body of the woman, who disappeared last April 5 in Astorga, was found on Friday, September 11 following the arrest of her alleged murderer, Migual Ángel MB, who yesterday, after an initial statement in which he said that he was innocent, rendered a new testimony and admitted his guilt.
The investigation was led by the National Police, since the disappearance occurred in Astorga, while the Guardia Civíl have collaborated on traces of rural areas.

AUGC has exposed in a statement that on the April 27, 22 days after the disappearance, the investigations of the agents of the Guardia Civíl agents led to the conclusion "that the person most suspected of the facts was the man now arrested." But, according to the association, when the dog expert group of the Civil Guardia Civíl, specialized in search and rescue specialist, traced with their dogs near the farm where the remains of the woman were ulitmately found, the Police Commissioner of Astorga asked the dog leader the reason for his presence there and reminded him that it was a demarcation of the National Police and not of the Guardia Civíl

After an exchange of words, the policemen had to withdraw from the area "to avoid further conflict," and the next day they changed the search area, moving away to twenty kilometers from Astorga because they had to limit themselves to a areas with jurisdiction of the Guardia Civíl

End of quote...

However, I imagine that the Tennessee and Colorado officers were professional and not emotionally attached. I also doubt the Colorado officers care about Facebook comments or let it impede their investigation.

 

[marble]

This one makes no sense. He went out for a jog and in 30 minutes disappeared.

Was he ever really there? A jogger isn't going to wander off into the woods, he is going to stay on a trail so he can keep his footing.

This stinks of something else to me.

He went missing after he didn't come back within a short time after an hour (the time he was supposedly planning on running for) not within 30 minutes.
Runners go off trail to relieve themselves *all the time*. It wouldn't be unusual if that happened in this case.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

From the Denise Theim thread:

-RSBM-

End of quote...

However, I imagine that the Tennessee and Colorado officers were professional and not emotionally attached. I also doubt the Colorado officers care about Facebook comments or let it impede their investigation.

-RBBM-

Oh my goodness ... :facepalm:: On the Conejos Co. Sheriff's Office Facebook page, the sheriff himself (or someone claiming to be him ...; I looked at the person's timeline, and I think it is legitimate, however) has posted a comment under "Visitor Posts,"and it is very critical of the sheriff of Joe's hometown. It says the message was posted last night, but it really needs to come down before Joe's family sees it (if they haven't already): If Joe were my son and saw something like this, I would be outraged, and also devastated at the same time. What is more important to this sheriff: That Joe is found ASAP or that his ego remains intact??

Then on the "Find Joe Keller" page, the administrator posted a few hours ago that people can call the Conejos County Sheriff's Office or the "CO Highway Dpt" (I did some research online, and it appears that the number being provided by the page is a Colorado State Patrol dispatch number) directly to get updates from LE in CO. I have seen many posts where the public is encouraged to contact authorities to submit tips, but I'm not sure if I have ever seen one like this.

My apologies for referencing my own posts. I wish I could agree with you wholeheartedly when you say, "I imagine that the Tennessee and Colorado officers were professional and not emotionally attached," but I'm afraid I cannot ....

I was very much relieved when it was finally taken down, but at one point (about three weeks after Joe went missing), the Conejos Co., CO sheriff -albeit via his personal FB account- wrote under "Visitor Posts" on the Conejos County Sheriff's Office FB page a post that was extremely critical of the Bradley Co., TN sheriff. I cannot remember everything he said (as it was deleted a week or so later), but one of the things he said was that Sheriff Watson had in fact offered to send two officers, and not six, contrary to what he told the media. Sheriff Galvez also contended that Sheriff Watson was only interested in Joe's case for political and publicity reasons.

And it was only a few hours later that the admin of the FJK FB page wrote a post encouraging people to call the Conejos Co. Sheriff's Office directly to get updates on Joe's case ...!

I noticed this morning that someone asked if there were any updates under "Visitor Posts" section of the FJK FB page. The page admin said there were none. My hope is that whether on the part of LE, a PI ("What are then my options, well my option is a private investigator.") or even both, there is some behind the scenes work taking place.

IMHO only

 

[darring21]

My apologies for referencing my own posts. I wish I could agree with you wholeheartedly when you say, "I imagine that the Tennessee and Colorado officers were professional and not emotionally attached," but I'm afraid I cannot ....

I was very much relieved when it was finally taken down, but at one point (about three weeks after Joe went missing), the Conejos Co., CO sheriff -albeit via his personal FB account- wrote under "Visitor Posts" on the Conejos County Sheriff's Office FB page a post that was extremely critical of the Bradley Co., TN sheriff. I cannot remember everything he said (as it was deleted a week or so later), but one of the things he said was that Sheriff Watson had in fact offered to send two officers, and not six, contrary to what he told the media. Sheriff Galvez also contended that Sheriff Watson was only interested in Joe's case for political and publicity reasons.

And it was only a few hours later that the admin of the FJK FB page wrote a post encouraging people to call the Conejos Co. Sheriff's Office directly to get updates on Joe's case ...!

I noticed this morning that someone asked if there were any updates under "Visitor Posts" section of the FJK FB page. The page admin said there were none. My hope is that whether on the part of LE, a PI ("What are then my options, well my option is a private investigator.") or even both, there is some behind the scenes work taking place.

IMHO only

I remember that now and stand corrected. The lack of professionalism is troubling and I hope it is not indicative of the CCSO's competency. If I remember correctly, a neighboring sheriff also offered assistance which may also be a troubling sign.

 

[Eileen730]

He went missing after he didn't come back within a short time after an hour (the time he was supposedly planning on running for) not within 30 minutes.
Runners go off trail to relieve themselves *all the time*. It wouldn't be unusual if that happened in this case.

I think he would have been found.

 

[gmomof03]

So very strange that no trace of this kid has been found. wth happened here.

 

[MissUnderstood]

I really thought he would have been found by now! If he went for a run and somehow became injured or ill I would have thought his body would be out there to be discovered along some kind of jogging trail. Maybe he became disoriented and walked further into rugged terrain, but he would still only be able to get so far. I know bodies can be missed on searches, but with a general known location of where he could be within the amount of time he was gone I guess I assumed he would have been located. I couldn't imagine the grief his family must feel.


MOO!!

 

[Eileen730]

I think he left on his own!
JMO

 

[Treelights]

I think he left on his own!
JMO

I still think if he didn't fall and he isn't hidden somewhere from the fall, then I think
perhaps he met up with someone he knew, or just met, and they left together, with him leaving willingly,
and perhaps something bad occurred after that, as it has been a long time now for him not to contact his family.

IMOO.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Just read this article, and (obviously ) thought of Joe; Josh was 18 when he disappeared, and he lived in Colorado. I feel so terrible for his family, as well as for what happened to Josh, and couldn't imagine what went through his head as he realized what was happening ...:

http://pikespeakcourier.net/stories...-identified-as-teen-missing-since-2008,198801

Not likely, but something like this could have happened to Joe, too, I guess. Truly, anything is possible ....

 

[gmomof03]

Just read this article, and (obviously ) thought of Joe; Josh was 18 when he disappeared, and he lived in Colorado. I feel so terrible for his family, as well as for what happened to Josh, and couldn't imagine what went through his head as he realized what was happening ...:

http://pikespeakcourier.net/stories...-identified-as-teen-missing-since-2008,198801

Not likely, but something like this could have happened to Joe, too, I guess. Truly, anything is possible ....

Wow! very sad case.

 

[knowi]

I hate to be the one to bring this up, but would buzzards show up by now?

 

[Eileen730]

I still think if he didn't fall and he isn't hidden somewhere from the fall, then I think
perhaps he met up with someone he knew, or just met, and they left together, with him leaving willingly,
and perhaps something bad occurred after that, as it has been a long time now for him not to contact his family.

IMOO.

I think he planned this before they left on the trip.

 

[Eileen730]

I still think if he didn't fall and he isn't hidden somewhere from the fall, then I think
perhaps he met up with someone he knew, or just met, and they left together, with him leaving willingly,
and perhaps something bad occurred after that, as it has been a long time now for him not to contact his family.

IMOO.

Sadly when ppl run away from their lives they don't call loved ones.
We don't know what was going on in his life we only know what everyone else says.
Jmo

 

[ThoughtFox]

They would show up within hours, or within a day if he was there. I'm sure Law Enforcement were looking for signs of scavengers while searching.

 

[Treelights]

On one of his pics on instagram Joe mentions that everything is double triple priced but he would get one (tshirt) from somewhere for the person that asked.

https://instagram.com/joekeller123/

Well, does that mean that Joe Knew he wasn't going to come back? But yet he did say he would get one though for the friend.

Another thing, it was said by a poster on this thread that Joe was "rich".
I don't like that terminology, because people are people and money doesn't define people, but anyway, if he were so rich why would he bat an eye to the price of a t-shirt? Wouldn't he just buy one for his friend? His friend wanted one.

So, looking at it that way, maybe he knew he was going to meet up with someone somewhere, and be gone for awhile, but something happened?
It's just been a long time now.

On the other hand, I do know people leave on their own and NEVER come back.
My grandfather was one of those people. Abandoned EVERYONE for TEN YEARS until he died, and still no one knew what happened to him, until I found his death certificate a few years ago.
My father grew up in an orphanage with his brothers. (My grandmother died just previous to grandfather leaving.)

So, people do leave for whatever reason.
It is sad, but it happens.

IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Did Joe's family hire a Private Detective?

IMOO.