Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

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knowi said:
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but would buzzards show up by now?
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The altitude of the search area is too high for black vultures and at the very high end of the known range of turkey vultures (buzzards). These are the two carrion birds of Colorado and Colorado is only in their range in the summer.
 
Treelights said:
On one of his pics on instagram Joe mentions that everything is double triple priced but he would get one (tshirt) from somewhere for the person that asked.

https://instagram.com/joekeller123/

Well, does that mean that Joe Knew he wasn't going to come back? But yet he did say he would get one though for the friend.

Another thing, it was said by a poster on this thread that Joe was "rich".
I don't like that terminology, because people are people and money doesn't define people, but anyway, if he were so rich why would he bat an eye to the price of a t-shirt? Wouldn't he just buy one for his friend? His friend wanted one.

So, looking at it that way, maybe he knew he was going to meet up with someone somewhere, and be gone for awhile, but something happened?
It's just been a long time now.

On the other hand, I do know people leave on their own and NEVER come back.
My grandfather was one of those people. Abandoned EVERYONE for TEN YEARS until he died, and still no one knew what happened to him, until I found his death certificate a few years ago.
My father grew up in an orphanage with his brothers. (My grandmother died just previous to grandfather leaving.)

So, people do leave for whatever reason.
It is sad, but it happens.

IMOO.
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???what do you mean?
 
gmomof03 said:
???what do you mean?
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You asked what do I mean.I don't know what you mean by that, but I will summarize what I said in a different way.

I think perhaps if Joe planned not to go back home for awhile, it makes sense that he would tell his friend on instagram that he wouldn't be bringing back a t-shirt for them, and saying something about the cost.
The thing is, a poster on WS previously mentioned about him being "rich" so why would the cost matter? It could have been an excuse.
People leave for Many Reasons, different reasons.
If Joe left on his own, maybe he didn't want to explain to anyone why ,how, where, and who he was with.
These are all thoughts. In My Opinion.

IMOO.

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And because Joe has been gone for a long time now, maybe he left willingly, but something bad happened after he left, so therefore he Isn't home yet, and can't come home perhaps. Maybe something nefarious could have happened?
IMOO.
 
GigTu said:
Probably not relevant to Joe's case, but I thought of him so I decided to post this.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28859991/fbi-aurora-child-sex-trafficking-case-is-extremely
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Thanks for sharing. Absolutely horrific: Clearly he is a sick, sick man. It is only my personal opinion, but people like him will never change, and therefore must be separated from the public for the rest of their lives (or in this dude's case, locked up for ever). The price these vulnerable young people and children pay is simply too high.

I'm not sure about possible relevancy of this case to that of Joe's, but I think it certainly is something to be looked into (not only this particular case in Aurora, but similar cases). Joe and his companions made stops in some larger cities (i.e., Las Vegas, San Fran, etc.), so Joe might have very well met someone along the way. And if there was a promise of clothing, food, etc., it would make sense that he didn't take anything with him. Further, while I have always believed that Joe is someone who leads a very healthy lifestyle and takes good care of himself, if he were being forced to take drugs, he wouldn't be able to contact his family even if he changed his mind and wanted to get in touch with them.

Still, this is one of the least likely scenarios in Joe's case, in my opinion.

By the way, I noticed that @findjoekeller tweeted this new graphic last night:

https://mobile.twitter.com/findjoekeller

Which made me wonder if they (whether a PI, LE, et al.; more likely a PI, I guess, since I don't think LE would share much, if anything, even with family) have uncovered new -and hopefully solid, viable- evidence that has led the family to believe there may have been foul play involved. I also noticed just a couple of days ago Joe's brother posted on his FB page that he believes they need to get some information from somebody out there, while also stating that they still have no leads.

All IMHO only.
 
Less than two weeks until the deer (with rifle) season and the major influx of hunters starts. Looks like the Fall and the early part of the Winter won't involve a lot of snow and what little falls won't stay on the ground for long.
 
My apologies in advance if I forgot something now that I've been away for a few days. I have just been thinking: How do we know definitively that Joe and/or CG went for a run the day Joe disappeared (or do we ...)?

I am aware that CG apparently saw a fisherman while running, and the gentleman did not see Joe. Joe's brother posted on an unrelated forum that his missing brother's running companion saw a fisherman and even waived at him; again, the gentleman said he never saw Joe come by.

I am just not completely convinced that the fisherman, in turn, actually saw CG.

Even if he didn't, it's entirety possible the gentleman simply missed CG (which is a possibility with Joe as well; just because the fisherman did not see Joe, it does not necessarily mean that he never ran by him, IMO). I just can't think of any evidence that conclusively shows either one or both of Joe and CG went running that afternoon.
 
inmyhumbleopinion said:
My apologies in advance if I forgot something now that I've been away for a few days. I have just been thinking: How do we know definitively that Joe and/or CG went for a run the day Joe disappeared (or do we ...)?

I am aware that CG apparently saw a fisherman while running, and the gentleman did not see Joe. Joe's brother posted on an unrelated forum that his missing brother's running companion saw a fisherman and even waived at him; again, the gentleman said he never saw Joe come by.

I am just not completely convinced that the fisherman, in turn, actually saw CG.

Even if he didn't, it's entirety possible the gentleman simply missed CG (which is a possibility with Joe as well; just because the fisherman did not see Joe, it does not necessarily mean that he never ran by him, IMO). I just can't think of any evidence that conclusively shows either one or both of Joe and CG went running that afternoon.
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I don't recall there being any information about witnesses to the run besides the fisherman, unless I have missed something. All I know is this case breaks my heart, and I sincerely hope that he just took off, because at least that way he would be alright. I don't think he would do that to his family and friends, though. I really don't.
 
"Neal Keller, father of a Tennessee teenager missing in the rugged mountains above Horca since July 23, will meet with the Conejos Board of County Commissioners (BOCC)at 10:45 a.m. Thursday.

Vocal in his unhappiness with the way the search for his son has been handled, Keller plans to formally ask for the assistance of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which he contends was never called into the search."

http://www.conejoscountycitizen.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=72&story_id=1635
 
Caramel said:
"Neal Keller, father of a Tennessee teenager missing in the rugged mountains above Horca since July 23, will meet with the Conejos Board of County Commissioners (BOCC)at 10:45 a.m. Thursday.

Vocal in his unhappiness with the way the search for his son has been handled, Keller plans to formally ask for the assistance of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which he contends was never called into the search."

http://www.conejoscountycitizen.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=72&story_id=1635
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Despite what has been reported by some MSM, I believe Joe's dad's assessment that "the assistance of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which he contends was never called into the search," sadly, is correct. In fact, a Chattanooga Free Press article, dated September 11th, reported:

"CBI spokesman Susan Medina told the Times Free Press that law only allows the agency to step in when requested by the sheriff or chief law enforcement officer in the Colorado jurisdiction where the incident happened. "Sheriff (Howard) Galvez has not formally requested our assistance," Medina said."

-RBBM-
 
inmyhumbleopinion said:
Despite what has been reported by some MSM, I believe Joe's dad's assessment that "the assistance of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (which he contends was never called into the search," sadly, is correct. In fact, a Chattanooga Free Press article, dated September 11th, reported:

"CBI spokesman Susan Medina told the Times Free Press that law only allows the agency to step in when requested by the sheriff or chief law enforcement officer in the Colorado jurisdiction where the incident happened.

"Sheriff (Howard) Galvez has not formally requested our assistance," Medina said."

-RBBM-
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This is not a new phenomenon unfortunately.

Take the Dermond murders out of Eatonton, Georgia.
The sheriff is Howard Sills.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/source-investigators-find-body-putnam-county/nfyK5/

"Other than using the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab, Sills has declined to call in GBI investigators."

There is a WS thread for Shirley and Russell Dermond.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Dermond-88-Putnam-County-2-May-2014-10/page24

IMOO.
 
Caramel said:
"Neal Keller, father of a Tennessee teenager missing in the rugged mountains above Horca since July 23, will meet with the Conejos Board of County Commissioners (BOCC)at 10:45 a.m. Thursday.

Vocal in his unhappiness with the way the search for his son has been handled, Keller plans to formally ask for the assistance of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which he contends was never called into the search."

http://www.conejoscountycitizen.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=72&story_id=1635
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Further, I believe that there was a lot of confusion on the part of MSM, especially early on, as to which LE agencies were involved in the investigation into Joe's disappearance. For instance,
a Cleveland Daily Banner article, dated August 19th, reported:

"Quinn and Chastain were also reportedly satisfied with the level of cooperation they received from Conejos County Sheriff Howard Galvez Jr., his officers and staff, as well as members of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and Colorado State police."

-RBBM-

More than ever, I believe that MSM reports such as above, sadly, were utterly incorrect. However, if that was what they (media) were being told by LE (i.e., Quinn and Chastain = Lt. and detective, respectively, with the Bradley County Sheriff’s Office), I, for one, cannot put the entire blame for the erroneous reports on the part of the reporters.
 
Treelights said:
This is not a new phenomenon unfortunately.

Take the Dermond murders out of Eatonton, Georgia.
The sheriff is Howard Sills.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/source-investigators-find-body-putnam-county/nfyK5/

"Other than using the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab, Sills has declined to call in GBI investigators."

There is a WS thread for Shirley and Russell Dermond.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Dermond-88-Putnam-County-2-May-2014-10/page24

IMOO.
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Thanks for the link to the Desmond case thread. I did follow this case for a while but was not aware that it had remained unsolved.

As far as local LE not requesting assistance from other agencies (state and federal investigative bureaus in particular; they appear to be more apt to ask for help from state police, though), I cannot figure it out. Maybe there is a certain criteria that must be met before local agencies are allowed to request assistance from the FBI or respective state investigative bureaus. It doesn't have to be specific to Joe's case, but I would love to know, generally speaking, what could be the possible reason(s) for this.
 
YES!!!

http://www.chieftain.com/news/crime/4024654-120/keller-sheriff-galvez-investigation

"But the elder Keller did leave the meeting with a vow from Sheriff Howard Galvez that he would try to arrange a dive team for a limited search and that one of the commissioners would serve as a point of contact for the family."

-RBBM-

Getting ready to pay and log in to access the full story. I have had a feeling all along that there was a good reason as to why they searched those two reservoirs relatively early on (about a week after Joe went missing). Within a couple of days of that, search activities were suspended.
 
Just paid for a four-week subscription to The Pueblo Chieftain, but subscription doesn't start until tomorrow, so I won't be able to access the full article until tomorrow :(.

OT: I just got off the 'phone with my specialist, and I will probably have to be admitted over the next couple of days for a procedure. I usually get quite "loopy" for a day or two after the treatment, so I will most likely be offline for a few days. I will try to post the rest of the above article before I go in.
 
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