CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #66

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MemPat said:
Forgive me for beating a dead horse on the stupidity issue but
Frazee knew Bentley a total of 17 days
and they bonded enough for him to write 17 hit recruitment notes to him?

When will we stop being asked to suspend belief?! I'm dizzy from it.
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I’m not sure what’s so hard about it. He’s a ruthless sociopath.

But MOO, it’s disbelief that gets people killed every day. “Oh he’d never hurt me”
 
Warwick7 said:
I think there is a time and place for ignore buttons and block buttons.

After the letters came out I got a terrible headache. I decided to shut my phone off and cried myself to sleep.

I cried for Kelsey and what she went thru before she died. I cried for the baby too. I hurt all over ( just like so many of you).

I just put out a long post and it was from the deepest parts of my heart. And it was deleated.

So for those who believe in lack of fingerprints on the napkins and getting statement analysis for these letters. I need to not follow these thoughts. For now and for my peace of mind I shall use the "ignore" button.
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They do come in handy :)

Also, I’m so sorry you lost your long post from the heart ... that is beyond frustrating and has happened to many of us.
 
SandyQLS said:
@MyBelle

Frazee trial: Letters say Frazee asked inmate to kill witnesses

"...In letter 9, Frazee allegedly claimed that the DA’s Office was working with Kenney to give her quotes to say so her testimony matched the circumstantial evidence in the case...."

I'm old so maybe I am hearing impaired, but that sounds like a claim that would be made during a trial, not way back Sept-Oct 2019. How would PF have developed this opinion before the trial to relay it to Bentley? Didn't Bentley admit to watching a TV show about the the case and/or googling about it? What about Bentley's pending testimony in Weld County re: another solicitation, that was brought up during cross and other issues brought up during cross? Did you find him credible?

JMO Bentley was not credible, not at all. I do not think his testimony reflected well on the Prosecution, they should have skipped him, and they certainly should not have rested with him. His testimony all sounds like the sort of nonsense drug addicts come up with when they are high. All JMO
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The notes were hand-written.

The handwriting is PF's.

Therefore, PF wrote the notes.

QED.
 
Medstudies said:
The letters were written before the trial.
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Yes, I know that the claim is that they were written before the trial. I said the statement is written as though it is a product of information gleaned from the trial, not something that could be known way back in Sept-Oct before the trial occurred.

I don't have the link for the first telling that I read: "...He also claimed to the inmate that prosecutors were "coaching [Lee] of the circumstantial evidence to match up."..."

It sounds like something written during the trial.

You do realize that these napkins were only presented on Monday with the claim by Bentley that they were written earlier? The DA received them Monday. Did CBI Agent Slater authenticate when they written in some way, or must we rely on convicted felon Bentley's word?
 
SandyQLS said:
@MyBelle

Frazee trial: Letters say Frazee asked inmate to kill witnesses

"...In letter 9, Frazee allegedly claimed that the DA’s Office was working with Kenney to give her quotes to say so her testimony matched the circumstantial evidence in the case...."

I'm old so maybe I am hearing impaired, but that sounds like a claim that would be made during a trial, not way back Sept-Oct 2019. How would PF have developed this opinion before the trial to relay it to Bentley? Didn't Bentley admit to watching a TV show about the the case and/or googling about it? What about Bentley's pending testimony in Weld County re: another solicitation, that was brought up during cross and other issues brought up during cross? Did you find him credible?

JMO Bentley was not credible, not at all. I do not think his testimony reflected well on the Prosecution, they should have skipped him, and they certainly should not have rested with him. His testimony all sounds like the sort of nonsense drug addicts come up with when they are high. All JMO
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Call me silly, but my confidence in the DA's office and the Judge are high enough that I don't believe they got sucked in by a con.

A lie detector test would not have been admissible in court but I'll be amazed if Bentley didn't have to pass one before this advanced very far.
 
SandyQLS said:
Yes, I know that the claim is that they were written before the trial. I said the statement is written as though it is a product of information gleaned from the trial, not something that could be known way back in Sept-Oct before the trial occurred.

I don't have the link for the first telling that I read: "...He also claimed to the inmate that prosecutors were "coaching [Lee] of the circumstantial evidence to match up."..."

It sounds like something written during the trial.

You do realize that these napkins were only presented on Monday with the claim by Bentley that they were written earlier? The DA received them Monday. Did CBI Agent Slater authenticate when they written in some way, or must we rely on convicted felon Bentley's word?
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It sounds like something all guilty people say. “I’m being framed,” or “the prosecution is railroading me.”

We know for a fact that the claim that KK was coached, is patently false. You can’t coach a person who knows more than you do, or lead her to evidence you haven’t even discovered yet.

It works the other way though, which is exactly what happened. She led them.
 
PommyMommy said:
The State has the notes. Slater read them in court. Doesn't matter IF he is a drug addict - he didn't write them, PF did. MOO
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How do you know PF wrote them? Because Bentley says so? I am looking for some authentication by anyone other than Bentley.
 
skyedaze said:
Bentley named people on the hit list who were never mentioned on the news previously along with descriptions of where they live and appearance.
and ..the defense did not argue.....at all.
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I don't know what media others are exposed to, but what I read is that Stiegerwald tore Bentley to shreds during the cross.

wait and see...
 
SandyQLS said:
Yes, I know that the claim is that they were written before the trial. I said the statement is written as though it is a product of information gleaned from the trial, not something that could be known way back in Sept-Oct before the trial occurred.

I don't have the link for the first telling that I read: "...He also claimed to the inmate that prosecutors were "coaching [Lee] of the circumstantial evidence to match up."..."

It sounds like something written during the trial.

You do realize that these napkins were only presented on Monday with the claim by Bentley that they were written earlier? The DA received them Monday. Did CBI Agent Slater authenticate when they written in some way, or must we rely on convicted felon Bentley's word?
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Why would PF have to wait until the trial to glean this information?

The DA passed over their documents on KK's upcoming testimony way back in Sept/October. So those notes could have easily been written back then.
 
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scdiv said:
@gitana1 posted this in thread #65... :)

Defense really never sets up ineffective assistance of counsel.

They’re not overwhelmed. Defense counsel is used to losing.

I think they just don’t have much. We mostly all saw that from the beginning. They’re going to try to say the evidence isn’t there and allows for another theory. But there no evidence of that.
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I hope that is right. Thank you. Im going back to see it. You are the best!!!
 
Medstudies said:
I’m not sure what’s so hard about it. He’s a ruthless sociopath.

But MOO, it’s disbelief that gets people killed every day. “Oh he’d never hurt me”
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I'm going to add in a controversial bit of analysis (hoping that at least one woman who is thinking "he'd never hurt me" will benefit.

PF had two parallel traits: the ability to transform rage into a killing scheme (not just impulse) AND

the ability to amp up into full-on "hunter mode" when the prey tried to escape.

I have seen this type in action (angry and abusive, very violent - but then absolutely murderous if defied/the prey tries to escape).

The first action (premeditation, bringing a bat, all of that) amped him up enough to administer the first blows. But he hesitated long enough that she could beg for her life in two small words. She may have tried to get up and lunge toward the living room, he amped up the attack. I believe she fought for her life as best she could. And that enabled him to be even more brutal, as he knew it would. She, on the other hand, had no pre-planning and reacted as best she could. He liked the unfairness of it. It was the basis of his MO. "Pick on someone who is unsuspecting and relatively helpless; convince yourself they really need to die; get more agitated if they try to escape/evade their own death."

This is a domineering, controlling, impulsive sociopath.
 
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