Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #95

[FLmom777]

Not classed as emergency use vaccines in other places. Just the FDA is slack in getting the rigorous testing and full approvals done.

For example .....

The UK has fully approved Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca.
Moderna becomes third Covid vaccine approved in the UK

Australia has fully approved Pfizer and AstraZeneca.
Which COVID-19 vaccine will I receive?

Europe has fully approved Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and J&J.
Safe COVID-19 vaccines for Europeans

New Zealand has fully approved Pfizer.
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine gets full approval in New Zealand, high-risk people first to get the jab

Canada has fully approved Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, and Covishield.
A look at how Canada approved 5 COVID-19 vaccines in under a year

The USA requires long term testing.

 

[LadyL]

Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

 

[MimosaMornings]

Yep. Half of the US actors and actresses must be here by now. Suddenly everyone has decided that Australia is a great place for filming.
They pay huge prices to come here, pay for their own strict quarantine upon arrival, but they don't care. They are now in a relatively covid free place where they can work with few worries.

It’s hard to grasp the thought of a normal covid free environment where people can work safely and not have the daily worries of covid in life.
Utopia!

 

[Cistenews]

Covid cases fall sharply in U.S., Gottlieb calls vaccination campaign ‘monumental achievement

 

[LadyL]

The F.D.A. is set to authorize the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for those 12-15 years old by early next week.

 

[SouthAussie]

The USA requires long term testing.

Not true - all western countries require vaccines to go through the rigorous three-stage testing process.

It is due to the fact that the FDA wants two types of application from the vaccine manufacturers. First the emergency use one, and then the Biologics License Application. A time consuming process.

I feel this could be expedited if the FDA applications were not so onerous. One fully detailed and supported application should be enough, as it is in other countries. The health agencies do their independent reviews of the data and quality of the products, regardless.

The fact that the vaccines are helping in markedly reducing the deaths clearly shows that they are working. And if an employer wants to protect their staff and customers (which is what the initial comments you posted were about) that should be their right to do so. As their own OH&S policy requirement. imo

It is not like a person can just say "oh I am not going to wear safety boots even though they are required at this job, because that is my right" ... "oh I am not going to wear gloves when I handle the food the restaurant will serve, because that is my right".

.... vaccine makers will have to file a separate application for vaccines to be fully licensed.

CNN has contacted Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson -- the most recent Covid-19 vaccine to be authorized -- about their plans to apply for full approval of their vaccines. None provided a timeline.

... companies can submit a Biologics License Application or BLA to the FDA.

Applications designated as "priority review" mean the FDA's goal is to take action on an application within six months. A "standard review" could take longer.

Full FDA approval of Covid-19 vaccines could help fight vaccine hesitancy, officials say - CNN

 

[SouthAussie]

NZ is opening up a little bit more quarantine-free travel.
Now NZers can travel freely between Australia & NZ, and Cook Islands & NZ.


From 17 May, you can travel between New Zealand and the Cook Islands without having to go into managed isolation or self-isolation when you arrive.
Anyone in New Zealand can travel quarantine-free to the Cook Islands, as long as they meet the eligibility criteria and immigration requirements. New Zealand citizens do not need a visa to travel to the Cook Islands.

New Zealand Government Unite Against COVID-19

 

[MajorHoople]

My father continues to experience wildly fluctuating pt/inr levels. He’s been on Coumadin for many years and it’s never been like this. The nurse checks it weekly.
It started two days after his second Pfizer shot.
I asked the specialist and she said they have noted others that are experiencing the same thing.
JMO

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he will stabilize soon.

 

[LadyL]

Japanese nurses angered at call to work Tokyo Olympics amid COVID crisis

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/...6PizaluPF8H2TkVbNiUSkzppbSleRW2ZRBCj6lUZ9861g

 

[musicaljoke]

They also should be able to work without receiving a vaccine, again due to HIPPARCHUS laws.

Maybe they could be given work somewhere in the system where their refusal to be vaccinated wouldn't be a risk to patients.

But otherwise, it really doesn't make sense to me to allow unvaccinated workers into places like hospitals and nursing homes.

 

[Lilibet]

Here in Florida we have been open for a long time. Our numbers have been dropping and did not increase after re-opening. There are several peer reviewed studies that say herd immunity is already in place in many areas. Vaccines alone do not give you this. When you consider people that recovered added to those vaccinated the overall immunity is actually quite high.

BBM

Florida isn’t increasing?
https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/fl...pite-gov-ron-desantis-ending-emergency-orders

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — On the day Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an executive order suspending all local emergency orders related to the COVID-19 pandemic, including mask mandates, Florida's coronavirus cases continue to be the highest in the country.

Florida led the nation with increased cases for the 12th day in a row Monday, 3,075, and had the second-biggest increase in deaths for one day, 39, which was second to New York with 65.

BBM

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM

Florida isn’t increasing?
https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/fl...pite-gov-ron-desantis-ending-emergency-orders

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — On the day Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an executive order suspending all local emergency orders related to the COVID-19 pandemic, including mask mandates, Florida's coronavirus cases continue to be the highest in the country.

Florida led the nation with increased cases for the 12th day in a row Monday, 3,075, and had the second-biggest increase in deaths for one day, 39, which was second to New York with 65.

BBM

Both FL and TX are currently surging with new cases. Both states lifted their mask mandates prematurely. imo
In fact, both FL and TX have now passed NY in total cases.

The US is now almost at the horrific statistic of 600,000 covid deaths.



United States COVID: 33,230,992 Cases and 591,514 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[FLmom777]

Both FL and TX are currently surging with new cases. Both states lifted their mask mandates prematurely. imo
In fact, both FL and TX have now passed NY in total cases.

The US is now almost at the horrific statistic of 600,000 covid deaths.

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United States COVID: 33,230,992 Cases and 591,514 Deaths - Worldometer

Look at this graph instead of the one you shared. It is a more accurate representation because it shows cases per capita. United States COVID: 33,235,845 Cases and 591,610 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[FLmom777]

Maybe they could be given work somewhere in the system where their refusal to be vaccinated wouldn't be a risk to patients.

But otherwise, it really doesn't make sense to me to allow unvaccinated workers into places like hospitals and nursing homes.

They aren’t given that option.

 

[FLmom777]

BBM

Florida isn’t increasing?
https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/fl...pite-gov-ron-desantis-ending-emergency-orders

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — On the day Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an executive order suspending all local emergency orders related to the COVID-19 pandemic, including mask mandates, Florida's coronavirus cases continue to be the highest in the country.

Florida led the nation with increased cases for the 12th day in a row Monday, 3,075, and had the second-biggest increase in deaths for one day, 39, which was second to New York with 65.

BBM

check the official numbers.
Home

 

[FLmom777]

Not true - all western countries require vaccines to go through the rigorous three-stage testing process.

It is due to the fact that the FDA wants two types of application from the vaccine manufacturers. First the emergency use one, and then the Biologics License Application. A time consuming process.

I feel this could be expedited if the FDA applications were not so onerous. One fully detailed and supported application should be enough, as it is in other countries. The health agencies do their independent reviews of the data and quality of the products, regardless.

The fact that the vaccines are helping in markedly reducing the deaths clearly shows that they are working. And if an employer wants to protect their staff and customers (which is what the initial comments you posted were about) that should be their right to do so. As their own OH&S policy requirement. imo

It is not like a person can just say "oh I am not going to wear safety boots even though they are required at this job, because that is my right" ... "oh I am not going to wear gloves when I handle the food the restaurant will serve, because that is my right".

Normally any new drug takes years of testing to gain approval. Right now there is only emergency use authorization here.
Drug Approvals - From Invention to Market...12 Years!

 

[nrdsb4]

That is unreasonable. Experimental vaccine, only approved for emergency use should never be forced on anybody.

No one is ever forced to take a vaccine. They are always given the choice. I do think your point about this being an "experimental vaccine" has merit, so I do understand why someone might be reticent. And refusing to take it and losing one's job in the process may be perceived to be unfair (and may well be), heavy handed, or coercive. But it's not anything that will ever be forced on an adult without their consent.

 

[weepingangel]

Walmart offers walk-up COVID-19 vaccines at 48 pharmacies in Massachusetts

More at link
Walmart pharmacies across Massachusetts will now administer COVID-19 vaccines to patients without requiring appointments.

The company says the policy change affects all 48 locations in the Bay State.

Walmart will continue to allow customers to schedule appointments, which will also allow them to complete pre-vaccination paperwork in advance

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Normally any new drug takes years of testing to gain approval. Right now there is only emergency use authorization here.
Drug Approvals - From Invention to Market...12 Years!

@FLmom777, we want to support your concerns. Please let us know of specific questions you have, if that is your focus on helping you make a decision.

Folks were on top of one which was posted by you three days ago. It's so very hard for folks who see stuff on their Facebook pages to see something if not following... and get taken down a path with conspiracy theorists. Most laypersons cannot discern truth these days with so much misinformation.

The one you speak of as taking a long time to market is indeed true. But that really doesn't even come to what the world is going through right now.

If you do a post, and have a specific question.. please post your concern. With a link.

Is it about YOU YOURSELF getting the vaccine, or are you taking a stance here on the threads that the vaccine is WRONG and trying to share opinion pieces or what the one 3 days was that was deleted from the thaeads? I thought it was about you being hesitant vs. the second option... am I correct in such?

 

[Inthedetails]

The one you speak of as taking a long time to market is indeed true. But that really doesn't even come to what the world is going through right now.

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I'm recalling a time several years ago when my neighbor had a medical emergency and called an ambulance for herself. She was a single mom to a girl who was my daughter's friend. My neighbor, in the emergency, sent her daughter to my place unannounced. Of course, I took her in, though I had no idea what was going on.

In normal times, it would not have happened like that. Either the girls or the moms would have made arrangements in advance for a mutually-agreeable time. I would have been prepared for the playdate (which turned into a sleep over). We might have gone back and forth to select the right time and plan for it.

But it was an emergency, so the process got rushed along.

YET, it wasn't unsafe. The mom sent her daughter to a known and responsible friend. Even in an emergency and in a rush, she didn't send her child to an unknown neighbor or unsafe person or leave her home alone. Even in an emergency, there was a safe contingency plan to follow.

That's kind of how I think of this vaccine. In regular times, the process would be slower. But just because it went faster doesn't mean professionals who are experts with experience didn't have a plan and route to follow safely.

jmo