Day 5 The John, Patsy and Burke's behavior/ The 12 days of JonBenet

[Airasae]

The fact that when Fleet White flew up the stairs screaming for someone to call an ambulance, Patsy stayed in her comfy chair.
The fact that when her husband carried their child's lifeless body up the stairs, Patsy stayed in her comfy chair until one of her bff's lead her into the livingroom.

I know this is not disputed and I am not disputing it but can you tell me where to find source information for this?

 

[Cranberry]

Not knowing the results from your hired investigators - PR Atlanta 8/2000

2 Q. One of the things that we are
13 very interested in is that, since you do
14 have and have had investigators working for
15 you on this case, and, as you refer to them
16 as forensic experts or group of experts I
17 believe is what you are calling them, what
18 have they presented to you that you think is
19 significant that would assist us in getting a
20 prosecuteable case against the killers of
21 your daughter?
22 A. They haven't presented anything to
23 me.
24 Q. Have they presented things to
25 John?
0016
1 A. I don't know.
2 Q. If I understand you correctly, you
3 are saying that these people have been, and
4 I am assuming at a fairly large expense,
5 been retained by your family and that, that
6 you -- and obviously you have a great
7 interest in having -- in helping solve the
8 murder of your daughter; correct?
9 A. Correct.
10 Q. But if I understood your response,
11 you are saying that you've never sat down to
12 talk to these people to discuss their
13 findings?
14 MR. WOOD: She said they haven't
15 presented anything to her in way of a
16 presentation. I don't think she said she
17 wasn't aware, generally, of their finding.
18 MR. LEVIN: You are on realtime,
19 I assume; is that correct?
20 MR. WOOD: Yes, I am.
21 MR. LEVIN: Do you know what we
22 are talking about? Realtime is the term of
23 art for, he is reading off the court
24 reporter's transcript, rough draft, which we
25 don't have.
0017
1 MR. WOOD: But which we will be
2 glad to hook you up to if you would like
3 it.
4 (Discussion ensued off the
5 record.)
6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) What your
7 attorney told me is that there hasn't been a
8 formal presentation. Let's talk about
9 informal. Have you sat down personally and
10 talked to any of these people that were
11 retained in order to find out what they have
12 uncovered in this case?
13 A. I have not, no.
14 Q. Have you received secondhand
15 information concerning what information they
16 have concerning possible alternative suspects?
17 And that is an alternative to you and John,
18 obviously.
19 A. I don't remember them saying
20 anything about specific suspects.

 

[Airasae]

Their constant distancing from Jonbenet. "That child", repeatedly neglecting to say her name when it would be appropriate, etc.

I find this jarring every single time they do it. They both almost always close their eyes when they say it too. (idk what that indicates in terms of body language though)

 

[Airasae]

Not knowing the results from your hired investigators - PR Atlanta 8/2000

2 Q. One of the things that we are
13 very interested in is that, since you do
14 have and have had investigators working for
15 you on this case, and, as you refer to them
16 as forensic experts or group of experts I
17 believe is what you are calling them, what
18 have they presented to you that you think is
19 significant that would assist us in getting a
20 prosecuteable case against the killers of
21 your daughter?
22 A. They haven't presented anything to
23 me.
24 Q. Have they presented things to
25 John?
0016
1 A. I don't know.
2 Q. If I understand you correctly, you
3 are saying that these people have been, and
4 I am assuming at a fairly large expense,
5 been retained by your family and that, that
6 you -- and obviously you have a great
7 interest in having -- in helping solve the
8 murder of your daughter; correct?
9 A. Correct.
10 Q. But if I understood your response,
11 you are saying that you've never sat down to
12 talk to these people to discuss their
13 findings?
14 MR. WOOD: She said they haven't
15 presented anything to her in way of a
16 presentation. I don't think she said she
17 wasn't aware, generally, of their finding.
18 MR. LEVIN: You are on realtime,
19 I assume; is that correct?
20 MR. WOOD: Yes, I am.
21 MR. LEVIN: Do you know what we
22 are talking about? Realtime is the term of
23 art for, he is reading off the court
24 reporter's transcript, rough draft, which we
25 don't have.
0017
1 MR. WOOD: But which we will be
2 glad to hook you up to if you would like
3 it.
4 (Discussion ensued off the
5 record.)
6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) What your
7 attorney told me is that there hasn't been a
8 formal presentation. Let's talk about
9 informal. Have you sat down personally and
10 talked to any of these people that were
11 retained in order to find out what they have
12 uncovered in this case?
13 A. I have not, no.
14 Q. Have you received secondhand
15 information concerning what information they
16 have concerning possible alternative suspects?
17 And that is an alternative to you and John,
18 obviously.
19 A. I don't remember them saying
20 anything about specific suspects.

BBM

What is this bit all about?

 

[Cranberry]

idk - perhaps reading back the transcript?

 

[GoldenFleece]

The fact that when Fleet White flew up the stairs screaming for someone to call an ambulance, Patsy stayed in her comfy chair.
The fact that when her husband carried their child's lifeless body up the stairs, Patsy stayed in her comfy chair until one of her bff's lead her into the livingroom.

Yep, unbelievable tell that PR knew her daughter was already dead. Like gearing herself up for the BIG show.

Coupled with the fact JR wanted to leave the state go to an important business meeting soon after...

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I know this is not disputed and I am not disputing it but can you tell me where to find source information for this?

I've read so many books on this case, I'm not really sure. I want to say I read that in Steve Thomas' book, but I'd have to check to be sure.

ETA: Not sure how deep your research into this case goes, but if you haven't already done so, ACandyRose is a great resource.

 

[Luvrosco]

Patsy referring to Jonbenet as "my child".
Their willingness to go on LK so soon afterwards.
John's demeanor being described as cordial by the policewoman when she first entered the house.

 

[madeleine]

re Kolar's book page 252

why was it so important to keep PR's and JR's medical records hidden??
interesting!

 

[Luvrosco]

re Kolar's book page 252

why was it so important to keep PR's and JR's medical records hidden??
interesting!

Thanks. I didn't know this. Another red flag.

 

[madeleine]

or was this all about JB's records?
it is not quite clear whose personal medical records they are talking about.what I dont get is their desperate need to withhold them from police.just added this cause I dont wanna mislead

Morgan stated that
the family felt the need to withhold certain medical records from
the criminal inquiry, claiming that they deserved an “island of
privacy” when it came to the investigation into JonBenét’s murder.
The following is an excerpt from that interview:
Morgan:
“I have a real problem with certain kinds of medical records.
These people are entitled to an island of privacy to try to recover
what they’ve been through.”
“I think you will get virtually everything you’ve described
with the possible exception of personal medical records that
I think John and Patsy are at least entitled to make a reasonable
decision on….”
“I’ve already discussed these matters with Hoffstrom and he
knows how we operate.”

 

[FrankieB]

Patsy:

Splayed fingers

Remaining on her seat at the solarium while Jonbenét was already being carried upstairs

Distance from John

Getting meds from the pediatrician rather than her own Doctor.

John:

Cracking jokes

Letting slip that Jonbenét was "In heaven with Beth now" as early as 11 AM

Checking mail

Attempting to prepare a flight

Prior to discovery of the body, complete change of behaviour, moving leg quickly, grabbing forehead, tapping kitchen table

Contaminating and altering of the crime scene

Carrying Jonbenét like a doll

Burke:

I got nothing to think of here. The fact that he was crying puts everything regarding his actions into question.


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Judging by this thread and the valuable contributions that have been made to it, I can see plenty of people consider Statement Analysis valid and important. Why I encountered sarcasm in that area during the Date Line chat is even more baffling now

 

[Airasae]

I've read so many books on this case, I'm not really sure. I want to say I read that in Steve Thomas' book, but I'd have to check to be sure.

ETA: Not sure how deep your research into this case goes, but if you haven't already done so, ACandyRose is a great resource.

Much more than the general public and much less than most websleuthians.
I've wanted to read books written by parties involved but there are so many books I didn't know which ones would provide accurate information. I've just started on Foreign Faction. All my other research is web based.

Has Linda Arndt written anything?

 

[johnjay]

re Kolar's book page 252

why was it so important to keep PR's and JR's medical records hidden??
interesting!

Were they worried about the parents records or the kids records?

 

[madeleine]

10 JOHN RAMSEY: But I didn't know at the time,

11 but later, she was back in the study with Barbara

12 Fernie and I don't know who else. My emotion was

13 that I had found her, which was good. But she was

14 dead, which was horrible. But it was almost better

15 than not knowing. Cause not knowing where your

16 child is the most horrible feeling, I think, a

17 parent can experience. And that was (INAUDIBLE)

18 what had been going through our mind all that

19 morning.

@bold REALLY??
she was missing for a few hours not 20 years!!

 

[SweetCaroline]

John, before her little body had even been found and it was still a "kidnapping", picking up the phone to call and not cancel the flight to Charlevoix, but change it to Atlanta with the intent of leaving that same morning. No parent who thought his child was missing would fly halfway across the country that same day.

 

[SweetCaroline]

Burke, being ushered out of the house that morning, not asking what happened or seeming curious at all why the police were there.

 

[otg]

I know this is not disputed and I am not disputing it but can you tell me where to find source information for this?

The account is related in both PMPT and IRMI. I believe it comes from Linda Arndt's report, so it might be in Paula Woodward's book with other police reports.

 

[madeleine]

18 JOHN RAMSEY: I doubt it. No. I mean, it

19 was a panic. I mean, we were just -- I don't even

20 remember that we got him dressed. I don't remember

21 specifically getting Burke dressed. I remember

22 discussing where should we take him; he needs to

23 get out of here; he needs to be safe.

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dunno about others but to me the safest place for my child in that situation would be with ME since police officers were also there not at some friends house

but maybe this was a slip and that/s what they were indeed thinking , he needs to get out and be safe meaning away from police?

 

[ConcernedinDC]

10 JOHN RAMSEY: But I didn't know at the time,

11 but later, she was back in the study with Barbara

12 Fernie and I don't know who else. My emotion was

13 that I had found her, which was good. But she was

14 dead, which was horrible. But it was almost better

15 than not knowing. Cause not knowing where your

16 child is the most horrible feeling, I think, a

17 parent can experience. And that was (INAUDIBLE)

18 what had been going through our mind all that

19 morning.

@bold REALLY??
she was missing for a few hours not 20 years!!

In another interview he said he wasn't that concerned because, JB was a strong kid, and she would be okay. Here he says he was so upset it was better to find her dead... So that's better than thinking she is a strong kid and would be okay?!