*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #3

[gitana1]

Could have been a phone call - 22 seconds -- can you come LE - check it out and if you think eval necc do so --- happens all the time its the law !

No, it's not the law. And what would that call be like?:

School: "Uh yeah, a few days ago, one of our students didn't do as well as expected on his exams."
Police: "Okay."
School: "Well, he's kind of a quiet guy."
Police: "And?"
School: "Um, he just informed us he was dropping out. This is a prestigious program. It takes a lot to get into it."
Police: "Sir, I'm not sure what you are calling about?"
School: "Well, can you come here and assess this man? He could be having a mental problem."
Police: "Has he threatened to harm himself?"
School:"No."
Police: "Has he threatened to harm anyone else?"
School:"No".
Police: "I'm sorry, then there is nothing we can do."
School:"But we feel he's off. Something's wrong."
Police: "Why, because he dropped from your program and he's quiet? Sir, you are wasting my time here."
School:"Well, he dyed his hair yesterday!"
Police: "Click."

 

[jjenny]

Harrowing article and, within it, this:

Also:


Witnesses: Colo. suspect shouted during rampage (CBS News)

I think the timing of this academic failure just doesn't fit as inducing him to do what he is accused of doing. Supposedly he was ordering this stuff for months. Maybe him being preoccupied with something else caused this academic failure, and not the other way around.

 

[HMSHood]

Victims & kin stare down ‘Batman’ psycho in court
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/you_re_no_tough_guy_now_qCaDbL0bp6MXY8NiTX6x3K

A father of one of the dead victims told The Post that cops revealed to him that Holmes was adopted. Police said the San Diego-area couple who raised him are not cooperating in the probe.

 

[SmoothOperator]

relax

Naaaa.. I simply corrected what was a completely untrue and irrelevant comment that's all

 

[jjenny]

Also I might be incorrect but not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't mean you go home, right? You go to an institution to spend your foreseeable future with others who are allegedly criminally insane? Jmo, that sounds pretty bleak.

Not guilty by reason of insanity means he could get out one of this days.
There is no sentence that he would have to serve.

 

[wfgodot]

I think the timing of this academic failure just doesn't fit as inducing him to do what he is accused of doing. Supposedly he was ordering this stuff for months. Maybe him being preoccupied with something else caused this academic failure, and not the other way around.

I think it's the first time it's been reported that he did in fact fail part of an exam.

I think he'd been drifting away for some time and knew he'd fail and thus prepared himself. (Shudder.)

 

[ohiogirl]

Yes - I knew - she new. Mothers know.

I knew 10 years before my daughter’s diagnosis,
but it took the Doctors that long to get it right.

I also believe that her reply on the phone was the same as what I hear a=many Moms with MI kids say.

They are afraid the phone will ring one day and _________.
I heard this so many many times from parents of MI children.

That fear she too must have had, and when that phone rang she said you have the right person.All else that she said after was back tracking. :moo::moo::moo:

She didn't say that about him. She said that about herself, that they had reached the right person about herself!

 

[matou]

This witness says that the perp was shouting at people during the rampage:

"I see him up there," said Davies, "and I'm hearing him yell at people, and then you just hear the rounds going off: Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!"

Off-camera, Davies told reporters, "He would shout, 'What are you doing? I said stand up!' And he would pick people up. I saw him stand over someone. I just see hair and him holding the shirt and -- boom."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57479282/witnesses-colo-suspect-shouted-during-rampage/

 

[jjenny]

I think it's the first time it's been reported that he did in fact fail part of an exam.

I think he'd been drifting away for some time and knew he'd fail and thus prepared himself. (Shudder.)

Or he failed because he didn't care and didn't prepare. Since he did well as an undergraduate and also got high scores on tests required for graduate school admission, it's probably not because he couldn't do it.

 

[songline]

Excuse me 911 I've got a student whose grades used to be quite good.. Not so much anymore.. He's the first to arrive in class every day but isn't very social at all(and never has been) a d seems to be daydreaming.. He didn't do well at all on the recent testing procedure and now he's told me he's withdrawing from the neuroscience phd program.. Could you guys come down here and evaluate him and do whatever you deem necessary for this adult male ??

How about from the store where e was buying Emmo.
Sales man said he was strange, even a customer said it...
Why should they sell this stuff to someone who seems strange?
How about 911 there is a guy in the store he was here 2 weeks ago and bought a gun
he is acting strange... wants another gun, and he is creeping us out.
can you please come down and we will delay him here?

 

[Sonya610]

Well I can't get into his head. Maybe he was sure somebody was going to show up. After all it was at night, the apartment building was presumably full of students, and he had loud music on for an hour.

Well I can't get into his head either, but apparently he planned this carefully, if he really wanted to see that apartment house blow up he would have set a timer. I am pretty sure when he researched high explosives he came across timer/igniting info.

It was chance by design, not by design flaw.

 

[ohiogirl]

"This statement is to clarify a statement made by ABC media," said Holmes today through her lawyer, Lisa Damiani. "I was awakened by a call from a reporter by ABC on July 20 about 5:45 in the morning. I did not know anything about a shooting in Aurora at that time. He asked if I was Arlene Holmes and if my son was James Holmes who lives in Aurora, Colorado. I answered, 'Yes, you have the right person.' I was referring to myself.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/james-holmes-mom-says-abc-misquoted-her.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

Harrowing article and, within it, this:

Also:


Witnesses: Colo. suspect shouted during rampage (CBS News)

Oh my dear God in heaven!! Cold blooded, calculated evil!!

 

[songline]

She didn't say that about him. She said that about herself, that they had reached the right person about herself!

She is back tracking in my opinion.:moo:

MOMs with challenged kids dread that they will get a call one day....

 

[gitana1]

Actually faking it could get him out of it someday if he convinces the court that he is insane. If this happens he will be sent to a mental hospital where if it is determined the he is someday cured he can be set free. It's called innocent be reason of insanity. The implying that he is "innocent" once he is determined to no longer be a threat to society (in other words cured) he can be discharged from a mental hospital because he would not be "legally guilty" of anything. For example, Susan Smith's doctors are trying to get her released from the mental hospital she was sent to following killing her 5 children. I'm not saying that he will get off; what I am saying is I believe he's trying to fake insanity with the hopes of this happening. As for my labeling him as pure evil, sorry if thats not a politically correct term but some serious offenders are just that. I don't believe in coddling these monsters by giving them some classy mental illness term. He's sick, hes evil, he's a monster.

BBM.

I've had several comments miss-understanding what I meant in reference to the monster getting out from the possibility of being innocent because of insanity. I do not in anyway think that this could happen. My first reference to this was a response to someone stating that he couldn't be faking because no one is that great an actor. I believe his demenor in court was an act the he was faking because HE believes that it will get him off. BTW someone made a reference that this isn't Canada. I really fail to understand the significantance of this reference. I never mentioned Canada and I'm bread born and raised in the same town somewhere in the southern United States.

BBM. I apologize for misunderstanding. Your first post seemed pretty clear that you felt, if he was believed, that this could be a possibility.

It was me who mentioned Canada. That was for a reason and not because I think you are from there. Here's why:

(CBS/AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Vince Li, the man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada, has won the right to be allowed to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being kept, a criminal review board ruled Thursday.
The Criminal Code Review Board said Vince Li's treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into the central Canadian city of Selkirk, Manitoba. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.
Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...assenger-wins-right-to-leave-mental-hospital/

That guy beheaded a passenger who was sleeping on a bus, in 2009. Already, the authorities are allowing this man to go on trips outside the mental hospital.

That would never happen in the United States. Not guilty by reason of insanity is not only a rare defense it's also almost impossible to achieve. Again, even when the defendant is flopping around under the table during trial and pooping his pants in court.

I was trying to show how different we are from more liberal criminal justice systems, by mentioning Canada. It had nothing to do with you.

 

[jjenny]

Well I can't get into his head either, but apparently he planned this carefully, if he really wanted to see that apartment house blow up he would have set a timer. I am pretty sure when he researched high explosives he came across timer/igniting info.

It was chance by design, not by design flaw.

Well, maybe he thought that it would be much more exciting if whoever opened the door was cut in two by explosives (I posted an article yesterday where it said the explosives would have cut the person who opened the door in two).
Again, I can't get into his head.

 

[ohiogirl]

Yes - I knew - she new. Mothers know.

I knew 10 years before my daughter’s diagnosis,
but it took the Doctors that long to get it right.

I also believe that her reply on the phone was the same as what I hear a=many Moms with MI kids say.

They are afraid the phone will ring one day and _________.
I heard this so many many times from parents of MI children.

That fear she too must have had, and when that phone rang she said you have the right person.

All else that she said after was back tracking. :moo::moo::moo:

respectfully, did you warn anyone?

 

[jjenny]

BBM.



BBM. I apologize for misunderstanding. Your first post seemed pretty clear that you felt, if he was believed, that this could be a possibility.

It was me who mentioned Canada. That was for a reason and not because I think you are from there. Here's why:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...assenger-wins-right-to-leave-mental-hospital/

That guy beheaded a passenger who was sleeping on a bus, in 2009. Already, the authorities are allowing this man to go on trips outside the mental hospital.

That would never happen in the United States. Not guilty by reason of insanity is not only a rare defense it's also almost impossible to achieve. Again, even when the defendant is flopping around under the table during trial and pooping his pants in court.

I was trying to show how different we are from more liberal criminal justice systems, by mentioning Canada. It had nothing to do with you.

I don't know how different US really is from Canada since they are talking about Andrea Yates getting out one of this days. So I would not say this could not have happened here.

 

[CARIIS]

RE: all the more reason to call and report him to LE.

If you saw someone swerving in traffic would ya call someone?
Someone clutching their chest plummeting to the ground would you call someone?
Someone having a convulsion?
Someone bleeding profusely?
It was just posted (gotta go check out not really sure I think we would have heard this before) but he is screaming. If you passed someone that was just on a sidewalk screaming at people would you call someone? That is all I am saying !
Usually all this falls to LE so does what follows:

civil commitment is a legal process through which an individual with symptoms of severe mental illness is court-ordered into treatment in a hospital (inpatient) or in the community (outpatient).
proceedings often follow a period of emergency hospitalization during which an individual with acute psychiatric symptoms is confined for a relatively short duration (e.g. 72 hours) in
stabilization (any of us believe blowing away 70 people indicates emotionial stablilty?)
A common reason given for involuntary commitment is to prevent danger to the individual or society (for the protection of members of the public)




)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment#Containment_of_danger

 

[panthera]

I think the timing of this academic failure just doesn't fit as inducing him to do what he is accused of doing. Supposedly he was ordering this stuff for months. Maybe him being preoccupied with something else caused this academic failure, and not the other way around.

Exactly! At some point, I do believe he was in over his head with the academic program, however also (in a clear mind) began his "plan" and anything academic became unimportant as he was preoccupied with the "plan". It all came together for him on schedule for the premiere of this movie.....

MOO