Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

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How the heck can a somatoform disorder cause severe constipation that is not relieved by laxatives? I can see someone actually thinking they can't walk or that they have stomach aches, but when you gotta go, a person usually goes and couldn't really control that. Can't the psyche doctors figure out if the intestines really aren't working correctly and do a muscle biopsy?
When a child withholds stool the rectum obviously expands. As the stool remains in the rectum and bowel, it becomes hard because the body reabsorbs water from the retained stool. The longer the stool remains in the bowel, the more water is absorbed= rock hard stool. As the rectum continues to expand with eating, the stool withholding childʼs urge to poo gradually vanishes. Chronic stool retention also causes decreased motility of the bowel. Decreased motility combined with decreased urge to poo= a complete loss of the ability to poo.

No organic etiology is found in 90% to 95% of adolescents with stool withholding/constipation. There is frequently complex psychopathology identified in adolescents with stool withholding. The stool withholding behavior will remain without a consistent treatment plan followed by all the mental health providers who care for the child and followed by his/her PARENTS/guardians. A very competent therapist is needed to address such psychopathology.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse
 
I wonder if Justina is okay with the press and the internet discussing her bowel movements or lack thereof. I would have been mortified as a teenager.
 


He obviously shouldn't have sent her to Children's if he wanted to maintain control. And, I wonder about the existence of empirical evidence regarding his diagnosis of mitochrondrial disease. Too many people whose egos require them to be 'right'.


rsbm/bbm: As soon as Linda Pelletier arrived at the emergency room on that Sunday morning in February, she wasted no time asking for Justina to be seen by Dr. Alejandro Flores, the former longtime chief of pediatric gastroenterology and nutrition at Tufts’ Floating Hospital for Children. Flores had been treating Justina for about a year and a half, including during a four-week hospital stay, and had recently moved to Children’s. The fact that he knew Justina’s case so well was what had given Korson confidence in sending Justina to Children’s.
 
Why is Justina's family panhandling for cash to pay her hospital bill when they won't owe anything for her medical care since the State of MA took custody of her 4 days into her hospital stay? Because the state has custody of Justina, she is assigned MassHealth as her primary insurance. If her parents have a private health insurance policy for her, MassHealth will become her secondary insurance (pay deductables).
http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dcf/health-med-services/faq-masshealth.pdf

Justina can be seen on the link below with a feeding tube. It would be very interesting to know when and why she had a feeding tube. Because there is a gag order on this case and HIPAA, we will only hear the parents' side to this story.
http://www.westhartfordnews.com/art...oc51a7cd6ac43e1332842736.txt?viewmode=default
 
From the BG part 1, explains Justina's real physical symtoms that had been treated previously:


She was told Flores was not on call, and later that he wasn’t coming in. Instead, a young neurologist, Dr. Jurriaan Peters, took the lead in Justina’s care. Peters tried to draw out Justina by making the shy teenager guess where he was from, based on his accent. It was a good ice-breaker, and Justina smiled, though she declined to hazard a guess.

Peters, who was in his late 30s and had come from the Netherlands to Boston for his residency, had completed his medical training just seven months earlier. He found it much easier to get Linda talking. She told him that a few years earlier, Justina had suffered excruciating abdominal pain and constipation. Doctors at Connecticut Children’s Medical Center in Hartford had removed her appendix as well as a long congenital band that they’d found wrapped around her colon. Still, her chronic constipation persisted. Despite taking powerful laxatives, Justina sometimes went more than a week between bowel movements.

After several colonoscopies, Justina had undergone “cecostomy” surgery at Tufts, in which a tube was placed permanently in her intestines. This created a “button” port near the belly button through which a solution could regularly be passed to force the colon to contract and flush her system. Peters took note of the new and relatively rare procedure, which a Tufts surgeon had recommended.

Linda explained that Korson, the chief of metabolism at Tufts, had diagnosed Justina with mitochondrial disease, the same disorder that another of her four daughters, 24-year-old Jessica, had been diagnosed with several years earlier.

“It’s mito,” the mother said.

But Peters had already begun to question that assessment. Here was a girl who was on multiple medications and who had undergone multiple interventions at the hands of multiple specialists, but all that care “has not yielded a definitive unifying diagnosis,” he wrote in Justina’s medical chart.

Dr. Peters, only 7 months into his residency, completely changed the diagnosis and treatment without even consulting with Dr. Korson or allowing Dr. Flores to examine her or consult. Was he trying to prove he knew more than the older and more experienced doctors?
 
Why is Justina's family panhandling for cash to pay her hospital bill when they won't owe anything for her medical care since the State of MA took custody of her 4 days into her hospital stay? Because the state has custody of Justina, she is assigned MassHealth as her primary insurance. If her parents have a private health insurance policy for her, MassHealth will become her secondary insurance (pay deductables).
http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dcf/health-med-services/faq-masshealth.pdf

Justina can be seen on the link below with a feeding tube. It would be very interesting to know when and why she had a feeding tube. Because there is a gag order on this case and HIPAA, we will only hear the parents' side to this story.
http://www.westhartfordnews.com/art...oc51a7cd6ac43e1332842736.txt?viewmode=default

Could there be some medical procedures that the state insurance doesn't cover? I know in Fl., Medicaid does not always cover certain costs, including some special treatments/procedures that patients need.
 
Could there be some medical procedures that the state insurance doesn't cover? I know in Fl., Medicaid does not always cover certain costs, including some special treatments/procedures that patients need.
And they could still be paying for treatments that occurred before she was taken by Boston Children's Hospital.
 
Could there be some medical procedures that the state insurance doesn't cover? I know in Fl., Medicaid does not always cover certain costs, including some special treatments/procedures that patients need.

Perhaps they're trying to get money for previous treatments, but once the state takes control/custody, then the state pays for the treatment - not the parents. No matter what it is. They can't take control of her treatment and then make the family foot the bill. I could be wrong - Pensfan, isn't that correct?
 
Why is Justina's family panhandling for cash to pay her hospital bill when they won't owe anything for her medical care since the State of MA took custody of her 4 days into her hospital stay? Because the state has custody of Justina, she is assigned MassHealth as her primary insurance. If her parents have a private health insurance policy for her, MassHealth will become her secondary insurance (pay deductables).
http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dcf/health-med-services/faq-masshealth.pdf

Justina can be seen on the link below with a feeding tube. It would be very interesting to know when and why she had a feeding tube. Because there is a gag order on this case and HIPAA, we will only hear the parents' side to this story.
http://www.westhartfordnews.com/art...oc51a7cd6ac43e1332842736.txt?viewmode=default

a. Definition of Panhandling: To approach strangers and beg for money or food
To beg in the streets
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/panhandling

b. Other Words for Panhandler: beggar

c. Connotations of panhandling: unlawful forms of public solicitation: asking for money (requesting, coercing, threatening)
Aggressive panhandling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"It is the habitual manipulative, coercive, or intimidatory use of another individual's sympathy, fear, guilt, or insecurity for monetary gain. It is a form of emotional and financial abuse."

Solicitation of funds in an inappropriate or intimidating manner.
It is the habitual manipulative, coercive, or intimidatory use of another individual's sympathy, fear, guilt, or insecurity for monetary gain. It is a form of emotional and financial abuse.

d. Synonyms for panhandling: begging, sponging, hustling, mooching, scrounging, cadging, freeloading

e. Definitely a negatively charged word being used to describe benefits from a dance recital, or three hours of sales, or other efforts by family and friends to help Justina's family deal with the costs of her illness.

It doesn't look like the father was out on the streets with a three week beard, stinking of alcohol, pushing his kid in a wheel chair, and swearing at everyone who doesn't hand over their cash. (I see these panhandlers every day, as does everyone who lives in a city these days.) But, I could be wrong. It could be that opening a PayPal account to accept donations and having them designated for Justina's care could be seen as the act of a cheap street hustler. Perhaps it's similar to the double dipping engaged in by people who earn a salary from an organization while collecting a pension from a previous position in the same organization. After all, most people can afford that $2,000 a day bill, right? Oh wait. That's the bill for private insurance. Public insurance is "only" $1,000 per day at most. So that's only, say, $30,000 for each month of Justina's incarceration that the hospital's psychiatric benefits from. So, after nine months, they've only taken a little over a quarter of a million dollars from the tax payers to lock up this young woman, impair her education, ruin her family ties, add to her depression and have no visible results to show for it. Surely the hospital would never go after the family for any of this since the hospital's staff insisted on keeping this young woman within their complete control. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-uncertain/Y7qvYTGsq8QklkxUZvuUgP/story.html

Perhaps the people donating to help her, assumed that Justina would not be forever imprisoned in a mental health facility because a bureaucrat who had a theory to prove decided Justine's disease didn't actually exist. It was all in her mind, right? After all, they'd just had a long battle with Elizabeth Wray, even going against court orders that she not be locked up, to prove she didn't have a disease either. And going after her parents with false charges of child abuse just as they are doing in this case. Maybe Justina's supporters believed that when she was released into the care of her family, the costs of her care would be even higher. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/daily_videos/massachusetts-works-to-curb-rising-healthcare-costs/ Especially since they will have to make up for the months that BCH has denied Justina the medication that had previously allowed her to figure skate, attend school, have an almost "normal" life despite her condition.

Incarceration is a loaded word, just like panhandling, and I'm choosing to use it. Being given no choice in anything you do, being locked in 24/7, being told when you have to get up, when you have to have lights out, when you have to study, that you can't see your family for more than an hour a week and then only if a security guard sits between you and your mother, that you can't see your friends, that your phone calls will be monitored, being denied medication that helps you and being forced to take other drugs--that doesn't sound like a nurturing or healthy environment for a sixteen year old girl who has medical problems. It sounds like the routine for juvenile delinquents serving a sentence in a reformatory. The hospital bureaucrats don't care that she asked not to be there, don't care that she asked for a lawyer. They've told her she has no choice. They don't care if she's unhappy because they will just blame her unhappiness on her mother, not on their own actions. As well as her health issues, which are still unsolved, Justina must also worry about being locked up with people who are a danger to themselves and others. If she didn't have emotional problems when she was admitted, I will bet anything that she has them now.

Maybe those people who are organizing fundraisers just want to help someone they care about, with whom they are allowed little contact. Maybe they don't trust that BCH won't turn around and charge the family with the bill for Justina's treatment should the family win their court case.

f, If you go up-thread you'll find an explanation of the feeding tube in the article mentioned in post 5. It had been used for Justina's treatment before the family ever took her to BCH.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-uncertain/Y7qvYTGsq8QklkxUZvuUgP/story.html
"…early on the staff had been suspicious of Linda's demand that her daughter get a temporary feeding tube in order to increase her nourishment. But immediately after the parents lost custody, the report noted, Children's had determined that the feeding tube was indeed medically necessary and Justina was given one." In other words, the hospital, the bureaucrats, the doctors who accused the mother of child abuse were WRONG. The mother was right. Sadly, the mother's demand for a feeding tube was included in the list of the reasons given as evidence of medical child abuse by the psychiatric unit of BCH to DCF in order to strip the parents of any voice in Justina's care. The mother was so right in her outcry to the judge that she hadn't done anything wrong!

g. The gag order was put in place by the judge so that nothing said by witnesses on the stand during his hearing could be made public by any of the parties involved. This means that the parents cannot repeat what was said during the trial. Neither can hospital staff. Neither can the lawyers. Neither can the press. The hospital has had no problem putting its case forward in interviews unless it comes directly under patient confidentiality policies of the hospital. The BCH side is that everything physically wrong with Justina is because of a mental disorder. They haven't been able to prove it because their imprisonment has resulted in very little, if any, improvement. Interestingly, the patient that was the hospital's previous example of somatoform disorder was released, IIRC by court order, the same morning as Justina was admitted. Equally interesting was the comment by Dr. David DeMaso (Children's psychiatrist-in-chief) that the mental health field has moved away from using somatoform disorder as a diagnostic tool. The only party interested in demanding Justina be treated for this disorder has no medical qualifications--DCF. This may have come up in court, but we don't know for sure because none of the press, the parents, BCH or the lawyers have broken the gag order.

Also, please don't tell me that BCH doesn't have a professional spin doctor handling press duties for the hospital. BCH has been hiding behind patient confidentiality so that they will seem to be an innocent victim of vindictive parents and nasty media. BCH has some wonderful units, according to the many reports I've been reading. However, BCH is a gigantic corporation interested in defending its brand. It has been accused many times in the last 18 months of routinely kidnapping children for profit. You'd think that if BCH hasn't responded with a cogent explanation in all that time, it's because where there's smoke, there's fire. A unit whose chief psychiatrist has, in just nine months since BCH used the disorder to prove child abuse in Justina's case, says it is of little use as a diagnostic tool, has a lot of explaining and apologizing to do.

h. I'm not sure if these references will do much more than give a general impression of the lengths to which other parents and patients have had difficulties in dealing with the autocracy of BCH. They certainly point out the friction between mainstream and cutting edge medical practitioners, and the term quackery is used a fair amount on both sides. This is a highly emotional case, and it will be an expensive case not just in financial terms but in the way that parents will now have to be very, very careful of which hospital they take their children to. And, if BCH is not alone in this practice, I think it should colour the way in which we view the very intrusive big business of medicine.
http://www.naturalnews.com/043298_boston_childrens_hospital_kidnapping_medical_profiteering.html
http://www.change.org/petitions/bos...-release-elizabeth-wray-to-her-to-her-parents
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-pandas-story/
http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2012/...s-hopsital-custody-battle-pandas-pans-disease

I'm sure that the many medical members of websleuths will be able to give a balance to the issues raised by this case, and will be able to give solid answers about any questions concerning the methods the psychiatric units of BCH use to conduct themselves. I hope they will put to rest the fears that reading more about this case and previous cases at BCH have raised in my mind. My experience with specialists and general practitioners, and with RNs and practical nurses, and EMTs, is that these wonderful men and women have a great drive to help others. However, my experience with hospitals has been neutral to negative. I've had to advocate for my parents, for my children and for myself when it became clear that big business and bureaucratic needs were the driving forces in the decisions being made and that the needs of people were being ignored. For many years now, a patient's advocate has become part of the staff of larger hospitals because lay people, like me, need that kind of back up. I'd love to hear how a patient's advocate could have mediated in the dispute between this BCH unit and Justina's family.
 
I'm no expert, but it seems like if this is a case of somatofrm disorder with the severe bowel holding, then flushing the intestines manually ONLY çombined with physical therapy and trying to get the girl eating and walking should result in improvement. The improvement should be visible and proven.
 
Why is Justina's family panhandling for cash to pay her hospital bill when they won't owe anything for her medical care since the State of MA took custody of her 4 days into her hospital stay? Because the state has custody of Justina, she is assigned MassHealth as her primary insurance. If her parents have a private health insurance policy for her, MassHealth will become her secondary insurance (pay deductables).
http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dcf/health-med-services/faq-masshealth.pdf

Justina can be seen on the link below with a feeding tube. It would be very interesting to know when and why she had a feeding tube. Because there is a gag order on this case and HIPAA, we will only hear the parents' side to this story.
http://www.westhartfordnews.com/art...oc51a7cd6ac43e1332842736.txt?viewmode=default
Siding with the parents. Recently had heart surgery where they chose to sedate me rather than knock me out....heard the Dr. yell.....Damn, I missed....and tried to sit up and THEN they sedated me. I totally hate Doctors. Parents love way more than a Doctor.
 
Reading now. How can they "prohibit" a second opinion? I've worked at hospitals and it has always been true in my experience that (in most cases) a hospital can release a patient into the care of another doctor - that they have to - if the patient/family chooses to change course.

This makes no sense (bbm):

ETA: I've now read the entire article. This is maddening and absurd. If I learned one thing, it's to be careful what you sign at the hospital before admitting your child (or yourself). :(


I can't read the second article. Maybe I'll go to the library and try on one of their computers. First part of the article is fascinating, and frightening.
 
Article is dated 12/20/13 but does have a bit of hope for the parents:

Judge Joseph Johnston slated another hearing for Jan. 10 and appointed a new guardian ad litem — who is required under state law to take an “objective and even-handed” look at the facts in the case.

The judge is also exploring the possibility of allowing Justina to eventually return to her home in West Hartford, Conn., while asking the Connecticut child protection agency to monitor the parents’ compliance with a strict set of rules about her care.

http://www.boston.com/2013/12/20/ju...controversy/ljRBLSKEA3Xd6e1ZUIWthN/story.html
 
Did Dr. K call the GI doctor and ask him to meet the family at the hospital?
Or did he just say "Go to the hospital and request to see the GI doctor."
There is a difference and I believe he should have asked the GI doctor to meet them at the door. :twocents:

This is precisely the reason we do not take our kids to doctors we don't know. :twocents:
On the few rare occasions we have ended up in the ER one of two things has happened.
Our regular doctor either CAME to the hospital to see our child.
Or they called and spoke to THE doctor who would be seeing our child.

We have never just walked into an ER without our doctor having a direct hand in that. :twocents:
(We are also very lucky because there are 3 providers in our practice. One is ALWAYS in town.)
 
Did Dr. K call the GI doctor and ask him to meet the family at the hospital?
Or did he just say "Go to the hospital and request to see the GI doctor."
There is a difference and I believe he should have asked the GI doctor to meet them at the door. :twocents:

RSBM

It's not really clear in that first article but it seems Dr. Korson did not really make arrangements (to me) from what is said. It appears your 2nd sentence above is what happened:

Justina had gone to Children’s Hospital this time because the girl’s main specialist at Tufts, Dr. Mark Korson, wanted Justina to be seen by her longtime gastroenterologist, who had recently moved from Tufts to Children’s.......

The parents — Linda in person and her husband, Lou, by phone from Connecticut — strongly objected. They complained that despite their repeated requests, Justina had still not been seen by her gastroenterologist. They became furious when the Children’s team informed the parents that they would be prohibited from seeking second opinions, including from Korson.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html
 
From link above:

Judge Joseph Johnston slated another hearing for Jan. 10 and appointed a new guardian ad litem — who is required under state law to take an “objective and even-handed” look at the facts in the case.

If anybody finds out about this hearing and what is decided, please post. TIA
 
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